With SE's spoken acknowledgment that future contact will not be over-reliant on proccing (thank god . . ) will this mean that SCH>BLM for most content?..
Lets have a look at Pro's of each:
SCH/RDM:
> 15-20% more damage Per nuke than BLM (even BLM casting Thundaja)
> Can reach 80% FC now with Rubeus, so DoT is significantly better than BLM.
> Better MP Management.
> SCH Helices bump up DoT even more.
> Can quickly switch to C4 set to heal for 800+ (BLM wont have Healing Magic Skill unless they /SCH)
> Access to Kaustra (not that i ever use this tbh, might be useful in Legion) and Embrava.
> With FC set up and Haste no longer need to have "Filler Spell" inbetween spamming Thunder/Blizzard V and IV".
BLM:
>Stun.
>Enmity Douse.
>Manafont very useful for emergencies.
>....
. .Are we to see the advent of everyone jumping on SCH bandwagon?
Food for thought indeed. :)
SCH>BLM After Update? . .
SCH>BLM after update? . .
I have both BLM and SCH levelled.
Not biased unelss you cant see the truth.
Not biased unelss you cant see the truth.
BLM can spam multiple high tier nukes of the same element at a rate that SCH cannot compete.
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Dunno about you but I have capped FC. My spells go off at like 18%? How are you doing 20% more damage per nuke? BLM can C4 too with nice numbers but yeah less healing skill. You say unless /sch but many BLMs these days use /sch.
Only thing about SCH that pisses me off is this self SC. That's just broken.
Edit: Goetia body +2, Haste, Fast cast from /rdm = already -36% recast time? Don't forget BLMs can use FC too.
Only thing about SCH that pisses me off is this self SC. That's just broken.
Edit: Goetia body +2, Haste, Fast cast from /rdm = already -36% recast time? Don't forget BLMs can use FC too.
well even though i really love sch it still will not replace blm elemental celerity/haste as /rdm they still cast faster and have more survivability options than sch. but i do for see an increase for sch now for events that aren't VW.
Do you have enhanced Stratagem recast? And good luck self SC with a dozen dd's smashing the mob.
@ Thoraeon:
Read the OP.
SCH can cap FC at 80% same as BLM.
SCH can cast Thunder V and IV one after the other ad Infimitum for more damage than BLM can
SCH Thunder V will do about 20% more damage than BLM Thundaja, also SCH thunder IV is equivalent to BLM thunder V.
All this time SCH helices are racking up the damage . .
So . .SCH can compete; it can more than compete it can annihilate.
Read the OP.
SCH can cap FC at 80% same as BLM.
SCH can cast Thunder V and IV one after the other ad Infimitum for more damage than BLM can
SCH Thunder V will do about 20% more damage than BLM Thundaja, also SCH thunder IV is equivalent to BLM thunder V.
All this time SCH helices are racking up the damage . .
So . .SCH can compete; it can more than compete it can annihilate.
If you don't use the Stratagem to self SC or to boost your damage I don't see how you want to do 20% more damage than a BLM.
Barleycup said: »
@ Thoraeon:
Read the OP.
SCH can cap FC at 80% same as BLM.
SCH can cast Thunder V and IV one after the other ad Infimitum for more damage than BLM can
SCH Thunder V will do about 20% more damage than BLM Thundaja, also SCH thunder IV is equivalent to BLM thunder V.
All this time SCH helices are racking up the damage . .
So . .SCH can compete; it can more than compete it can annihilate.
Read the OP.
SCH can cap FC at 80% same as BLM.
SCH can cast Thunder V and IV one after the other ad Infimitum for more damage than BLM can
SCH Thunder V will do about 20% more damage than BLM Thundaja, also SCH thunder IV is equivalent to BLM thunder V.
All this time SCH helices are racking up the damage . .
So . .SCH can compete; it can more than compete it can annihilate.
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Ebullience Thunder V will do about 20% more than even the best equipped BLM can with Thundaja. Any good SCH will be able to veritfy this.
I wouldn't say 20% more, but with ebullience, a SCH T5 > a BLM T5. Without ebullience though, BLM wins, and if you are spamming nukes, the SCH will run out of stratagems while the BLM can keep blasting at full power.
BLM gets alot of better nuking gear than SCH (except body), and with higher traits it can still hold its own.
BLM gets alot of better nuking gear than SCH (except body), and with higher traits it can still hold its own.
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My Thunder V do 4400 Vs EM-T mobs outside.
Thunder V does 10000+ inside abyssea.
Thunder V does 10000+ inside abyssea.
Dude, I know what SCH can do. Without posting your gear sets and BLM numbers with gear sets, those numbers are worthless.
Barleycup said: »
My Thunder V do 4400 Vs EM-T mobs outside.
Thunder V does 10000+ inside abyssea.
Thunder V does 10000+ inside abyssea.
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10k every single time? On normal mobs? Even with atmas that's damn high
Siren.Thoraeon said: »
I wouldn't say 20% more, but with ebullience, a SCH T5 > a BLM T5. Without ebullience though, BLM wins, and if you are spamming nukes, the SCH will run out of stratagems while the BLM can keep blasting at full power.
BLM gets alot of better nuking gear than SCH (except body), and with higher traits it can still hold its own.
BLM gets alot of better nuking gear than SCH (except body), and with higher traits it can still hold its own.
1) Did SCH get -aga spells, Elemental DoT, and Ancient Magic for proccing?
2) Is Magic suddenly a time-efficient damage source?
Okay, I guess Scholar won't be replacing Black Mage.
2) Is Magic suddenly a time-efficient damage source?
Okay, I guess Scholar won't be replacing Black Mage.
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SCH won't have meteor, sch can't use ja spell bonuses with other BLMs, and more importantly you are useless in this proc reliant world outside of embrava. SCH only ever had the advantage at MP longevity, which translated to more damage if fights were long enough to require that much.
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@ Thoraeon; Good Point:
I will post some numbers from both jobs on Mouring Crawlers and Bluffalo after Maintenance.
Thunder V without ebullience is still only 1-3% off BLM Thunder V because of Thunderstorm. And SCH rarely runs out of Strategems.
However with new content we shall see which is more useful as a DD.
I maintain strongly that my SCH does significant i.e 20-30% more DOT than my BLM.
I will post some numbers from both jobs on Mouring Crawlers and Bluffalo after Maintenance.
Thunder V without ebullience is still only 1-3% off BLM Thunder V because of Thunderstorm. And SCH rarely runs out of Strategems.
However with new content we shall see which is more useful as a DD.
I maintain strongly that my SCH does significant i.e 20-30% more DOT than my BLM.
I think you forgot SCH is limited by Stratagems... BLM can just throw nukes mindlessly while you have to wait for stratagems in order to dish out high damage.
Post numbers? Math can do that easily without you wasting your time.
i'm guessing MM,Ultimate,Blinding Horn cause i can do it too, but even then SCH will not replace the BLM survival,insane cast speed on nuke,and more spell options sorry to burst your bubble that's just how it is. now if you are saying sch is a nice viable 2nd choice for the new stuff then yes i agree with you.
Embrava is SCH's claim to fame.
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@ Dramaica:
Read the OP, I said in context of a proccing free game after this update.
Also BLM JA bonuses still give Thundaja less than SCH Thunder V, + Thunder V is about 70% more mp efficient than Thundaja from BLM.
Please dont refer to "you" (i.e scholar). I have both jobs levelled.
tch!
Read the OP, I said in context of a proccing free game after this update.
Also BLM JA bonuses still give Thundaja less than SCH Thunder V, + Thunder V is about 70% more mp efficient than Thundaja from BLM.
Please dont refer to "you" (i.e scholar). I have both jobs levelled.
tch!
input /equip head "Sorcerer's petasos +2"
input /equip body "Goetia coat +2"
input /equip back "Searing cape"
input /equip hands "Goetia gloves +2"
input /equip neck "Stoicheion medal"
input /equip waist "Oneiros sash"
input /equip ring1 "Strendu ring"
input /equip ring2 "Sorcerer's ring"
input /equip legs "Valkyrie's trews"
input /equip feet "Goetia sabots +2"
input /equip ear1 "Novio earring"
input /equip ear2 "Hecate's earring"
input /equip sub "Wizzan grip"
input /equip ammo "Witchstone"
Atmas: Ultimate,MM,Beyond
With set I'm not even coming close to 10k inside Abyssea. Defaq am I doing wrong?
input /equip body "Goetia coat +2"
input /equip back "Searing cape"
input /equip hands "Goetia gloves +2"
input /equip neck "Stoicheion medal"
input /equip waist "Oneiros sash"
input /equip ring1 "Strendu ring"
input /equip ring2 "Sorcerer's ring"
input /equip legs "Valkyrie's trews"
input /equip feet "Goetia sabots +2"
input /equip ear1 "Novio earring"
input /equip ear2 "Hecate's earring"
input /equip sub "Wizzan grip"
input /equip ammo "Witchstone"
Atmas: Ultimate,MM,Beyond
With set I'm not even coming close to 10k inside Abyssea. Defaq am I doing wrong?
@ Finalvegata:
What you are doing wrong is that you are not a SCH. :/
BLM can only get near 10k with Set proc.
What you are doing wrong is that you are not a SCH. :/
BLM can only get near 10k with Set proc.
Barleycup said: »
@ Thoraeon; Good Point:
I will post some numbers from both jobs on Mouring Crawlers and Bluffalo after Maintenance.
Thunder V without ebullience is still only 1-3% off BLM Thunder V because of Thunderstorm. And SCH rarely runs out of Strategems.
However with new content we shall see which is more useful as a DD.
I maintain strongly that my SCH does significant i.e 20-30% more DOT than my BLM.
I will post some numbers from both jobs on Mouring Crawlers and Bluffalo after Maintenance.
Thunder V without ebullience is still only 1-3% off BLM Thunder V because of Thunderstorm. And SCH rarely runs out of Strategems.
However with new content we shall see which is more useful as a DD.
I maintain strongly that my SCH does significant i.e 20-30% more DOT than my BLM.
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