Lol at people saying the game companies should get a cut of used sales.
I would be so for that with my car, my house and any other random items I have lying around (not). It's ridiculous to even mention that. Why would I buy anything that I can't sell eventually? Thing become outdated and games get boring. Developers should not gain twice for an item thats not a subscription based purchase or a dlc of some sort.
You really can't unless you know someone of similar taste, or have a large foundation of peers who you can relate to. Even then, with similar taste, there are large disparities. The only time you can easily say "Yeah, not getting that." is if it scores below a 5. Anything between 6~9 on game sites/magazines is fair-game, but also no indicator of anything other than that it's passable by their standards. It's media, it's a feeding frenzy, it's bought out.
I mean hell, I think FFXIII is an abomination, but people on this site will defend that ***to the death. Sometimes I wish I wasn't so fascinated by stories that I've come to have a higher standard, maybe I'd enjoy being spoon-fed crap more.
You're right. However it is still a useful tool to help and figure out if the game is worth the cash. Plus one should never read one review and be done. The internets is vast and there a lot of people who legitimately give their opinions of a game without having big brother over their shoulder. It's not perfect but it does help.
At that rate I think installing a security gate in the doorway would pay off. the obstacle alone would cut down on theft, and just gluing some tags to the back of the plastic film on the case would make a huge difference. you'd likely notice most people trying to rip them off.
I agree seeing as the anti theft tags are already in the games. You wouldn't believe how many people I have coming back to my store asking me to disarm the games. I have no way to do it either. But at the same time, employees are not allowed to apprehend a shop lifter. The stores would need a loss prevention team to oversee the stores. Sure the mall stores have mallcops....they're useful.... >.> With that added requirement for the alarms it's not cost effective. It'd deter theft to some degree but it won't stop a majority of it.
you could call the mall cops to watch the entrance on big shopping days.
also a camera pointed right at the entrance is really all you need. employee hears the alarm, notes the time, you have a snapshot to send to the police later, and you know if you have any regulars.
it may not always be enough to go after them but having the loss prevention hardware should at least cut some of the attempts down.
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Also note that its more the fault of gamestop not giving a share of their profits to the developer/publisher then the gamer buying the game used.
Perfect solution is to lock a used game out until the person pays the 10-20 dollars for a code to be able to play it under his gamertag.
Since when is any business obligated to make charity of their profits to others, regardless of the nature of the industry?
your an idiot. they arnt obligated to share their profits with the developers. but i was saying if they did then maybe the new consoles wouldnt lock used games out?
So they are finding ways to get what they need.
First off, I will eat my own crap if companies end up locking out used games. Secondly, he's absolutely right. You're completely ignorant of how a business is run. Even IF GameStop WOULD give them a kickback, they'd still do it if they saw it as profitable. He's not an idiot, you're ignorant.
Im not ignorant i just understand why they are doing what they are doing.
in 2010 gamestop pulled it 9billion in revenue. and only needed 700million in order to run every store they own. which means they made a profit of atleast 8 billion (50%) was from used games and the rest is from overworking and underpaying their employees (which is why they have been getting sued and needing to payout their employees.
now if the game developers want to take some of that profit from gamestop by charging people to play used games then they have every right to. the person it hurts is really gamestop and their mad profits. they buy low and sell high... but just like they do know when a game charges 10 dollars for an online pass they lower the price on their used games by 10 dollars.
so.. if a game says in order to play this used on a console you have to pay 10 dollars. then gamestop will once again lower their prices by 10 dollars.
its not hard to think of this. NOW if xbox or w/e completely locks out used games then they are HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE. because they would just be a stupid move
Honestly, the mall cops are generally useless. Maybe not everywhere though. As far as regulars go at a mall....I can count them all on my hand. Either they're in the group of special needs people that come in once a week. A few new to gaming parents who enjoy the customer service in my store or the people who work in the mall. So maybe two hands but still. It's a deterrent and wouldn't really do much in the end.
Any game that requires me to install legalized spyware on my system monitored by a fickle, money-grubbing company who's out for no one but themselves isn't getting my money. I love BioWare and I love Mass Effect, but it isn't getting my $70, especially given that $10 of that is going towards bloody day one DLC that should be a part of the *** game. Viking up in this ***.
Lol at people saying the game companies should get a cut of used sales.
I would be so for that with my car, my house and any other random items I have lying around (not). It's ridiculous to even mention that. Why would I buy anything that I can't sell eventually? Thing become outdated and games get boring. Developers should not gain twice for an item thats not a subscription based purchase or a dlc of some sort.
Now inb4 DLC for your car so that you get a working brake pedal.
Lol at people saying the game companies should get a cut of used sales.
I would be so for that with my car, my house and any other random items I have lying around (not). It's ridiculous to even mention that. Why would I buy anything that I can't sell eventually? Thing become outdated and games get boring. Developers should not gain twice for an item thats not a subscription based purchase or a dlc of some sort.
Now inb4 DLC for your car so that you get a working brake pedal.
I just waited for the price drop for Mass Effect 2, paid 17 bucks and didnt register on EA's servers. The only EA game I have ever bought new was Kingdoms of Amular, and thats pretty much been great. But I still didn't register on EA's servers.
Honestly, the mall cops are generally useless. Maybe not everywhere though. As far as regulars go at a mall....I can count them all on my hand. Either they're in the group of special needs people that come in once a week. A few new to gaming parents who enjoy the customer service in my store or the people who work in the mall. So maybe two hands but still. It's a deterrent and wouldn't really do much in the end.
Also note that its more the fault of gamestop not giving a share of their profits to the developer/publisher then the gamer buying the game used. Perfect solution is to lock a used game out until the person pays the 10-20 dollars for a code to be able to play it under his gamertag.
Since when is any business obligated to make charity of their profits to others, regardless of the nature of the industry?
your an idiot. they arnt obligated to share their profits with the developers. but i was saying if they did then maybe the new consoles wouldnt lock used games out? So they are finding ways to get what they need.
Technically as a copyright holder the companies that own the copyright are entitled to royalties from sales of merchandise,memorabelia,etc?
I could be wrong though...i dont know all the facts of how money is distributed when a product is purchased in the end :<
but the developers definately dont get much out of it anyway...being as they work for the company and thats who would ultimately reap the benefeits of any reinbursement :<
This was all going to happen sometime. I really think that video games need to get away from the "for-profit" scenario and go back to releasing labors of love. I'm sure that's an extremely complicated process, but its the reason indie games are hitting so big right now, and larger company games are mostly trash. Absolutely right
I don't agree, I think the solution is on the consumer to not always jump out and purchase a game as soon as it comes out without being informed. I'd rather not hope that someone decides to make a game out of love for gaming and purely that. If you don't want to buy garbage, learn to read, dl demos, or talk to people who have played a game. Not spending blindly will have a greater effect than reducing the amount of games put out per year due to companies out there to no longer make a profit.
^^This, it never ceases to amaze me how often people will go on about a specific aspect of a game after buying it within the first week when the info was there for weeks before hand. FF13 is a great example because it was no secret that the game was liniar for most of it, it came right from SE's mouth that the first 20-30 hours were mainly a story game with little to no side exploration. Yet people still rushed out to buy it then raised hell when the game was, exactly as was previously stated, very linear. I'm not saying FF13 was a great game or that it sucked, but lets face it the info was there, and people ignored it, and paid the (literal) price of buying a new game when they may have been better off waiting for a price drop or just skipping it all together. Game companies are first and formost a buisness, if they can sell crap then they will sell crap. The way things are now they can make more money from putting out 2 average quick made games as they would from 1 great game that would take the same ammount of time to make as the 2 average ones.
^that last part....and who hates linear FF games....they are all pretty much linear at SOME point in the game...just maybe not in the extreme case of 13 :<
edit: "that last part" bieng the buisness being a buisness bit :< truth :<
and to add my question: what happens when someone buys an Xbox720 used?
Well from the sites ive been able to find - it looks like the N7 Collectors edition for PC are completely sold out. Will be very hard to find a copy now since I don't think they will be making any more. Could be wrong though.
Also note that its more the fault of gamestop not giving a share of their profits to the developer/publisher then the gamer buying the game used. Perfect solution is to lock a used game out until the person pays the 10-20 dollars for a code to be able to play it under his gamertag.
Since when is any business obligated to make charity of their profits to others, regardless of the nature of the industry?
your an idiot. they arnt obligated to share their profits with the developers. but i was saying if they did then maybe the new consoles wouldnt lock used games out? So they are finding ways to get what they need.
Technically as a copyright holder the companies that own the copyright are entitled to royalties from sales of merchandise,memorabelia,etc?
I could be wrong though...i dont know all the facts of how money is distributed when a product is purchased in the end :<
but the developers definately dont get much out of it anyway...being as they work for the company and thats who would ultimately reap the benefeits of any reinbursement :<
This was all going to happen sometime. I really think that video games need to get away from the "for-profit" scenario and go back to releasing labors of love. I'm sure that's an extremely complicated process, but its the reason indie games are hitting so big right now, and larger company games are mostly trash. Absolutely right
I don't agree, I think the solution is on the consumer to not always jump out and purchase a game as soon as it comes out without being informed. I'd rather not hope that someone decides to make a game out of love for gaming and purely that. If you don't want to buy garbage, learn to read, dl demos, or talk to people who have played a game. Not spending blindly will have a greater effect than reducing the amount of games put out per year due to companies out there to no longer make a profit.
^^This, it never ceases to amaze me how often people will go on about a specific aspect of a game after buying it within the first week when the info was there for weeks before hand. FF13 is a great example because it was no secret that the game was liniar for most of it, it came right from SE's mouth that the first 20-30 hours were mainly a story game with little to no side exploration. Yet people still rushed out to buy it then raised hell when the game was, exactly as was previously stated, very linear. I'm not saying FF13 was a great game or that it sucked, but lets face it the info was there, and people ignored it, and paid the (literal) price of buying a new game when they may have been better off waiting for a price drop or just skipping it all together. Game companies are first and formost a buisness, if they can sell crap then they will sell crap. The way things are now they can make more money from putting out 2 average quick made games as they would from 1 great game that would take the same ammount of time to make as the 2 average ones.
^that last part....and who hates linear FF games....they are all pretty much linear at SOME point in the game...just maybe not in the extreme case of 13 :<
edit: "that last part" bieng the buisness being a buisness bit :< truth :<
and to add my question: what happens when someone buys an Xbox720 used?
The world will explode... i guess that means that it will be in 2012
Also note that its more the fault of gamestop not giving a share of their profits to the developer/publisher then the gamer buying the game used. Perfect solution is to lock a used game out until the person pays the 10-20 dollars for a code to be able to play it under his gamertag.
Since when is any business obligated to make charity of their profits to others, regardless of the nature of the industry?
your an idiot. they arnt obligated to share their profits with the developers. but i was saying if they did then maybe the new consoles wouldnt lock used games out? So they are finding ways to get what they need.
Technically as a copyright holder the companies that own the copyright are entitled to royalties from sales of merchandise,memorabelia,etc? I could be wrong though...i dont know all the facts of how money is distributed when a product is purchased in the end :< but the developers definately dont get much out of it anyway...being as they work for the company and thats who would ultimately reap the benefeits of any reinbursement :< again, i could be wrong :<
This was all going to happen sometime. I really think that video games need to get away from the "for-profit" scenario and go back to releasing labors of love. I'm sure that's an extremely complicated process, but its the reason indie games are hitting so big right now, and larger company games are mostly trash. Absolutely right
I don't agree, I think the solution is on the consumer to not always jump out and purchase a game as soon as it comes out without being informed. I'd rather not hope that someone decides to make a game out of love for gaming and purely that. If you don't want to buy garbage, learn to read, dl demos, or talk to people who have played a game. Not spending blindly will have a greater effect than reducing the amount of games put out per year due to companies out there to no longer make a profit.
^^This, it never ceases to amaze me how often people will go on about a specific aspect of a game after buying it within the first week when the info was there for weeks before hand. FF13 is a great example because it was no secret that the game was liniar for most of it, it came right from SE's mouth that the first 20-30 hours were mainly a story game with little to no side exploration. Yet people still rushed out to buy it then raised hell when the game was, exactly as was previously stated, very linear. I'm not saying FF13 was a great game or that it sucked, but lets face it the info was there, and people ignored it, and paid the (literal) price of buying a new game when they may have been better off waiting for a price drop or just skipping it all together. Game companies are first and formost a buisness, if they can sell crap then they will sell crap. The way things are now they can make more money from putting out 2 average quick made games as they would from 1 great game that would take the same ammount of time to make as the 2 average ones.
^that last part....and who hates linear FF games....they are all pretty much linear at SOME point in the game...just maybe not in the extreme case of 13 :< edit: "that last part" bieng the buisness being a buisness bit :< truth :< and to add my question: what happens when someone buys an Xbox720 used?
The world will explode... i guess that means that it will be in 2012
Also idc if people buy used games, but i do hate when said people also complain about "Preorder" bonuses. because the reason they have preorder bonuses was to get people to buy the game new. instead of buying it used.
But as i said i dont care if people buy new or used.
Actually the N7 collectors edition had been sold out for months (at least in the UK) but as of just the other day GAME are no longer doing EA games meaning every single UK collectors edition was up for grabs again at different retailers. It sold out in about 2 days for the PC version - not sure about console versions though I doubt there are any left.
Thats my main reason for wanting the CE but I figure it might be better to just hold onto it and let it appreciate value in years ahead... still not sure...
The value won't go up really. The main draw is the DLC, and once they start lowering the price on that or release it in bundle packs, the draw for the CE won't be as strong. Few people buy those things for the art books.
CE for ME2 was $80 or so, you can get it on Amazon for $25~35.
EA is probably the biggest game dev out there, and one of the biggest *** as well.
-One of the first to bring release day DLC for a price of $10+
-First to make a pin that is needed for online play.
-Biggest game industry supporters of SATA/PIPA.
-Loves buying small devs and getting rid of good IPs that rival their bad ones.
-Buys exclusive rights to NFL and then gives us a game that gets worst with every release.
-and I am sure more that I can't think of at the moment.
They have to many titles to not buy from them. It would be near impossible to boycott them and still play video games, which sucks. We are stuck and not much we can do to fight it. They are to big for their own good, and the good of the gamer.
NEITHER GAME NOR GAMESTATION WILL BE STOCKING ME3.
Eurogamer said:
UPDATE: GAME has issued a statement to Eurogamer in response to the retailer's decision not to stock Mass Effect 3, blaming it on a "supply issue".
"We currently have a supply issue with regards to Mass Effect 3, which means that GAME and gamestation will not be able to fulfil orders for Mass Effect 3 at this time. We want to give customers as much notice about this as possible and provide them with a range of options ahead of launch.
"We appreciate that this is disappointing for our customers, and we apologise sincerely for the inconvenience that this will cause. We value the loyalty of our customers very highly and as a gesture of goodwill we are providing the following:
Customers who have pre-ordered in store, will have the opportunity to add £5 worth of Reward points to their card if they visit us from today through to 16 March 2012.
Customers who have placed a deposit for the title will receive refund as well as the £5 worth of Reward points between 1 and 16 March 2012.
Customers who have pre-ordered online, will be provided with an online voucher to the value of £5 to be spent on any purchase on our sites.
Eurogamer was told by GAME staff that customers will receive their refunds in store credit, not cash.
ORIGINAL STORY: GAME Group will not be stocking any EA games past SSX in March, including Mass Effect 3, Eurogamer has discovered. This encompasses all GAME and Gamestation stores.
Various GAME and Gamestation staff alerted Eurogamer to this situation after a company-wide memo was sent out at around 10.30am this morning.
Eurogamer has secured an image of this memo, which also reveals that FIFA Street 3, Tiger Woods 13 and Sims 3 Showtime will also not be stocked by GAME Group.
Eurogamer has corroborated this information with individual GAME Group stores. The last stocked EA game will be SSX, we were told.
If you have a pre-order, GAME will refund you via in-store credit, rather than with cash.
EA responded to Eurogamer's request for comment by directing us to a Mass Effect 3 Launch Update website. GAME's absence from the list of retailers speaks volumes.
This worrying text followed: "For customers who have pre-ordered the N7 Collector's Edition please re-order your copies through these retailers."
These are Amazon, Play, Zavvi and ShopTo. Blockbuster phoned Eurogamer to say it's stocking the N7 Collector's Editio,n too.
"For further information regarding the Mass Effect 3 Standard Edition with the N7 Warfare Gear in-game weapons pack, please check this page later today," the blurb continued.
"If you have placed a deposit for a pre-order or are uncertain that your existing pre-order will be guaranteed, please contact your local retailer."
"Your local retailer is doing everything possible to make this process as smooth as possible to ensure you get your copy on launch day."
HMV told Eurogamer it couldn't comment on a competitor's situation, but confirmed it would be stocking Mass Effect 3 and the rest of EA's titles.
GAME Group hasn't responded to Eurogamer's request for comment.
SSX may be the last Electronic Arts game that GAME ever stocks, if the latest rumours are to be believed. With GAME releasing the following statement just moments ago:
'We currently have a supply issue with regards to Mass Effect 3, which means that GAME and Gamestation will not be able to fulfil orders for Mass Effect 3 at this time. We want to give customers as much notice about this as possible and provide them with a range of options ahead of launch.
We appreciate that this is disappointing for our customers, and we apologise sincerely for the inconvenience that this will cause. We value the loyalty of our customers very highly and as a gesture of goodwill we are providing the following:
• Customers who have pre-ordered in store*, will have the opportunity to add £5 worth of Reward points to their card if they visit us from 1st March through to 16th March 2012
• Customers who have placed a deposit for the title* will receive a refund as well as the £5 worth of Reward points between 1st - 16th March 2012
• Customers who have pre-ordered online, will be provided with an online voucher to the value of £5 to be spent on any purchase on our sites
*All customer must be able provide valid proof that they have placed a pre-order or deposit'
According to website Eurogamer things are even worse than they sound, as they claim no EA game beyond SSX will be stocked by GAME. SSX is due out this Friday, so that means no Mass Effect 3 the week after, no FIFA Street, and no Tiger Woods PGA Tour 13.
They also claim that no other Nintendo distributed games will be sold either. We can't confirm that but Nintendo has just sent us a long list of shops that will be selling Mario Party 9 on Friday - and it doesn't include GAME.
Mario Party 9 will be third Nintendo distributed game in a row not to be sold by GAME, after The Last Story and Tekken 3D Prime Edition.
Nintendo and EA have refused to comment on the situation further, although EA has referred us to the same page on their website mentioned by GAME.
The page warns that the Mass Effect 3 N7 Collector's Edition will only be available at Amazon.co.uk, Play.com, Zavvi.com, ShopTo.Net, and Blockbuster. GAME are not listed, even though the Collector's Edition (and the standard ones) are still on GAME's website.
EA are advising customers who have pre-ordered the N7 Collector's Edition to re-order it through one of the above stores. An update about the N7 Warfare Gear in-game weapons pack is promised for later today.
Ever since its credit rating changed at the beginning of the year GAME has had trouble keeping new games in stock. Wii game The Last Story still isn't being stocked by them and they didn't have any of Ubisoft's PS Vita games at launch.
If the problems with Mass Effect 3 aren't resolved very quickly then the future is looking very grim for both GAME and Gamestation.
For those who have pre-ordered on origin - you can cancel it. (I just cancelled my Digital Deluxe and ordered it on amazon.co.uk)
Can talk to an Origin advisor to cancel by clicking Here and filling in the relevant information.
I urge you to look around and make sure that this is accurate before you do that however - I don't want to be the focus of your rage :P
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Regarding refunds I found this tidbit
guardian said:
She said that customers who have pre-ordered in store will be able to add £5 worth of reward points to their card between 1 and 16 March. Customers who have paid a deposit will receive a refund as well as the £5 worth of reward points, while customers who have pre-ordered online will get an online voucher for £5.
Play.com, Amazon.co.uk, ShopTo and Zavvi to offer the limited set after GAME fails to secure stock.
Following GAME's admission that it won't be stocking Mass Effect 3 at launch, EA has revealed that the N7 Collector's Edition - previously a GAME exclusive - will now be available at Amazon, Play.com, Zavvi and ShopTo.
Since when is any business obligated to make charity of their profits to others, regardless of the nature of the industry?
