Mercy Stroke Set

WS Base Damage = floor(( 55 + 14 + 78) * 3) + (139 * 1.2 ) = 607 Raid. Armlets
WS Base Damage = floor(( 55 + 14 + 78) * 3) + 142 = 583 Hct. Mitten +1

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WS Damage = 607 * 3 = 1821 * 1.19 = 2166 Raid. Armlets
WS Damage = 583 * 3 = 1749 * 1.23 = 2151 Hct. Mitten +1 (4%)

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I guess Goodbye Hct. Mitten +1 for SA-MS.

We never knew you to begin with.

Hecatomb Mitt+1 with crit augment is for TAMercy only.

Are you having fun, by the way?

Ihina, I know we're supposed to hate each other but that post made me lol pretty hard.

Really? I always thought you were tsuntsun for me.

I have an irrational hatred of all THF because I can't use Mandau on DNC.

Don't know about your part of Fenrir, but on my side, we don't even use THF for TH.

Really, you should be worrying about PDIF because the 2 places that THF matters the most at the moment (Provenance + Legion), you're not capping PDIF (Except maybe on Provenance Watcher where you're likely to have SV Minuets if you're not stuck in the reject party).

You so funny.

I'm just calling it how it is :(

No, not making this to have fun..

I came here the first time to figured out how i could increase dmg on my THF, i ended to spam 4.2k MS max with Mandau lv99 when i was doing 4.5k with Mandau lv95.

Pretty sure i pointed where it went wrong too, some gear look awesome, then when you do the math is not. Of course, you can play the pdif card, but not convinced that worth the total lost of DA. I could do the math for it, but i doubt that even interest you to see it =D

I got the answer i was looking for, so thanks for the help.

Max damage is somewhat irrelevant because DA/TA/QA proc = more damage. What you want is max damage in a certain amount of hits. Of course, this means paying attention to tp return.

If you screw around with gear and happen to hit 5k, it very well could be the fact that you were using inferior gear but triple attack proc'ed on both the offhand and mainhand.

Speaking of big numbers, I hit a 47xx on pil yesterday. Was rather pleased. Of course, that's somewhat irrelevant. What I do know is that, with proper buffs, my Mercy will do a minimum of 3200 damage to Pil and that's where the focus should be.

My worry is not only about big number, having DA @ -2% is an issue.

9 STR = ~5 WSC, and that not beating +.1 http://fTP.

for pdif, let say your attack is at 900 and monster def is at 450, then you have pdif of 2, without Prosilio belt your attack would be 875 right? so 875/450 = 1.94 and that is in best situation where you cap only with Prosilio belt.

WS Base Damage = floor(( 55 + 14 + 84) * 3) + 144 = 603 [Toci]+pro
WS Damage = 603 * 2 = 1206 * 1.14 = 1374 * 1.40 = 1923 Toci+pro

WS Base Damage = floor(( 55 + 14 + 80) * 3.1) + 144 = 605 [Toci+ele]
WS Damage = 605 * 1.94 = 1173 * 1.14 = 1337 * 1.40 = 1871 Toci+ele

+52 DMG at the cost of 5% DA.

In poor pdif, say monster is 900 def, pdif = 1, without Prosilio belt your attack would be 875/900, pdif = 0.97

WS Damage = 603 * 1 = 603 * 1.14 = 687 * 1.40 = 961 Toci+pro
WS Damage = 605 * .97 = 586 * 1.14 = 668 * 1.40 = 935 Toci+ele

+26 DMG at the cost of 5% DA.

Idk if i forget something in equation.

No reason you should be -2% DA. Do you not sub WAR or use Brutal Earring in your WS set?

Talking about the Vulcan's Pearl x2 + Toci + Prosilio belt = -2% DA.
Edit:

THF/NIN -2% DA vs 3% DA without Prosilio belt

THF/WAR 8% DA vs 13% DA without Prosilio belt

Brutal Earring/Vulcan's Pearl
THF/WAR 13% DA vs 18% DA without Prosilio belt

Duh, but still why aren't you /WAR or using brutal earring?

I don't see the 10% DA difference. Should only be 5.

fixed, idk why i put 8%, that what happen when you do math + post in between VW (Bismarck) =/

Well, have fun with that math. Good luck figuring it all out once you throw TA procs and Assassin's charge in there.

It's not as hard as it sounds.

Toci and prosilio win 100% with no doubt with Assassins's charge, i be also slap anyone that use Brutal with this JA up.

Of course it does. Though, you can only really do something with that information if you have two sets for Mercy; one for with Acharge, one without. Otherwise, you'd have to include it in your calculation to figure out your maximum average.



I know. Not that I want to dig it up again, but I've done it already.

This for TA/DA:
You right Ihina =/ Prosilio do win in all situation when you apply DA/TA.

No idea what I just read.

You guys have been completely underestimating Str/Atk and favoring Dex/Agi in every comparison because everyone is ignoring the offhand hit in every number crunch so far.

*That offhand hit gets the str mod
*Also the straight boost to mercy (40% at 99)
*Is NOT a crit so loki/athos does not enhance it
*dex has no direct damage boost to the offhand hit while str/atk/DA/TA/QA does.

Also, the multi atk does not take the the entire 900+ base damage as shown 2 posts up. multi hit doesnt have any relationship to the SATA part of the WS. Each additional hit from multi hits are only (WS+Fstr+WSC)*pdif*Mercy Bonus40%.

Prosilio wins for basically everything. Not even wanion (8str/8dex) will win on SAMercy. offhand+multi hits do not crit and therefore need that str/atk.

The whole thing should be something like this:
1stMercy=(Dagger+Fstr+WSC)*(Pdif+1)*CritBonus
Offhand=(OffhandDagger+Fstr+WSC)*Pdif*(1+MultiHitRate)
Main Hit Multi=(Dagger+Fstr+WSC)*(Pdif)*(MultiHitRate)

You have to do the main hit's multi damage separately because they dont crit while the hit it is based off of does. Thats why it doesnt have the '1+'

Now you take all of those and toss in SA:
(1stMercy+Offhand+MainHitMulti)*1.4+(Dex*(pdif+1)*crit bonus)

If you account for everything, the str and atk gets weighted WAY more than has been and any dex/Crit damage gear gets reduced significantly.

Thanks for pointing this out Aanalaty.

how about Epona's ring and Oneiros ring? adds another 5% TA

Edit: could also use triplus dagger offhand to get an 8% TA bonus....
this will give you a 19% TA rate ... that's almost 1/5 triple attack MS
Edit2: add raider's earring and you're on a flat 20% TA rate with a loss of 16STR (pyrosoul + raja's & 1 vulcan's pearl)

Nope, not winning, even with max pdif/fstr, also keep in mind lowering your STR like this, just mean trouble on harder monster, scenario would turn even worse.

On other side note, depend on what dagger you replacing:
(twash) you loose a good BASE DMG if offhand hit in WS.
(Kila) you loose an extra 11 STR and +22 attack (even worse for WSC/pdif)

DA+4 is the highest you can get, and one of the better stats. The att is nice if you're not att capped. STR is from the random augment pool and you could literally spend 1000+ tatters and never see it. If you have the gil to blow, why not? Personally after spending 20-30mil on tatters, seeing lots and lots of INT and no STR from the random pool, I just gave up and was happy with what I had :p (In other words, I'd probably be happier with the capped DA and just leave it, but that's just me. At the very least you could try for some higher att with capped DA).

yeah, I'd keep trying. I think even Att+10/DA+1 should beat Att+1/DA+4 if you're benefiting from the attack, so try to get the attack higher imho.