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By Ragnarok.Evandis 2012-01-17 14:56:47
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I don't know who the answer is, but I don't believe it to be Ron Paul. This country is currently so broken, and we are all looking for the quick fix, when there isn't any. At the end of the day, I will probably be voting for Obama again, because at this point I think switching up tactics when his are currently only halfway accomplished will hurt us more than seeing where he goes with it.

I also really wish people would do their own fact checking, rather than believing politically motivated and funded news agencies and the advertisements of other politicians.
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By Odin.Liela 2012-01-17 14:58:27
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I honestly believe that a large percentage of people rely on news channels to understand what opinion they should have on candidates, as opposed to reading up on what candidates stand for and watching candidate speeches and deciding for themselves. Unfortunately for Ron Paul, news channels don't seem to like him. So instead of just telling people the news, channels tend to imply that people should have a negative opinion of Ron Paul. So because of this, people don't really listen to what Paul has to say-- they've already made their minds up on him.

That's obviously just my opinion and is subject to be laughably incorrect, but that's what I think. I think it wouldn't matter in the least how much sense the man makes, if Fox News or whoever doesn't like him, then the people aren't going to like him.

Sucks. He's by far my favorite of the GOP candidates, and I honestly don't think he has the merest shadow of a chance at winning the presidency.
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By Shiva.Xellith 2012-01-17 15:02:01
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zahrah said: »
Shiva.Xellith said: »
I think american politics is funny.

Every election its more or less the exact same candidate in terms of policy and then people *** and *** that nothing changes. Only an idiot keeps trying the same experiment and expects different results.

Says the person who had Gordon Brown as a PM.

He was only Prime Minister because Tony Blair quit. Both of whom I never voted for in any capacity of office. When elections rolled around the Labour party - of whom Gordon Brown led - lost by a landslide if I recall.
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By Odin.Daemun 2012-01-17 15:02:39
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Odin.Liela said: »
I honestly believe that a large percentage of people rely on news channels to understand what opinion they should have on candidates, as opposed to reading up on what candidates stand for and watching candidate speeches and deciding for themselves. Unfortunately for Ron Paul, news channels don't seem to like him. So instead of just telling people the news, channels tend to imply that people should have a negative opinion of Ron Paul. So because of this, people don't really listen to what Paul has to say-- they've already made their minds up on him.

That's obviously just my opinion and is subject to be laughably incorrect, but that's what I think. I think it wouldn't matter in the least how much sense the man makes, if Fox News or whoever doesn't like him, then the people aren't going to like him.

Sucks. He's by far my favorite of the GOP candidates, and I honestly don't think he has the merest shadow of a chance at winning the presidency.
People take all of their information from television instead of reading ITT.

Idon'twanttoliveonthisplanetanymore.jpg

Unfortunately, most people get their facts about candidates from here-say and the idiot box exclusively.
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By Ragnarok.Evandis 2012-01-17 15:05:46
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This is a good site:

http://factcheck.org/

I am leery of this one because it is backed by a newspaper, which is no doubtedly backed by some political interest:

http://www.politifact.com/
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Odin.Liela said: »
I honestly believe that a large percentage of people rely on news channels to understand what opinion they should have on candidates, as opposed to reading up on what candidates stand for and watching candidate speeches and deciding for themselves. Unfortunately for Ron Paul, news channels don't seem to like him. So instead of just telling people the news, channels tend to imply that people should have a negative opinion of Ron Paul. So because of this, people don't really listen to what Paul has to say-- they've already made their minds up on him.

That's obviously just my opinion and is subject to be laughably incorrect, but that's what I think. I think it wouldn't matter in the least how much sense the man makes, if Fox News or whoever doesn't like him, then the people aren't going to like him.

Sucks. He's by far my favorite of the GOP candidates, and I honestly don't think he has the merest shadow of a chance at winning the presidency.

That's exactly why he trusts the internet more than any other media for political information- because establishments like Fox News love getting rimjobs from people like Romney (or as I like to call him: "Romjob") for assistance in manipulating the media to make their candidate more electable, while attacking the others based on potentially false interpretations of their takes on issues. The Internet is more consistent for fact-checking. It's right there when you look for it, too.

Yesterday Paul looked like he was doing well in yesterday's debate. What he needs to do is keep his course and eventually the rest of the candidates will fall out of the race. Romjob was really doing a shitty job with answering questions, lol.
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By Odin.Daemun 2012-01-17 15:23:10
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So glad I live in a world that we need third party websites doing 24/7 work to verify the validity of our candidate's words. We really have to be skeptical of people until proven truthful now, as opposed to a person's word being just that, their word like it used to be.

Anarchy really doesn't look so bad for those of us that live in non urbanized areas.
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By Ragnarok.Evandis 2012-01-17 15:30:16
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Odin.Daemun said: »
So glad I live in a world that we need third party websites doing 24/7 work to verify the validity of our candidate's words. We really have to be skeptical of people until proven truthful now, as opposed to a person's word being just that, their word like it used to be.

Anarchy really doesn't look so bad for those of us that live in non urbanized areas.

I feel it's the same, now we just know how much value someone's words have. Corruption is in competition for prostitution as the world's oldest profession.
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Shiva.Xellith said: »
I think american politics is funny.

Every election its more or less the exact same candidate in terms of policy and then people *** and *** that nothing changes. Only an idiot keeps trying the same experiment and expects different results.

The definition of insanity is using the same quote over and over and still expecting people to find you clever.

Yes, I see the ironing.
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2012-01-17 15:51:28
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How'd people feel about Gingrich's spiel?

Quote:
"A Chinese dissident who comes in here — a Chinese dissident who comes here seeking freedom is not the same as a terrorist who goes to Pakistan seeking asylum,” Gingrich said, noting that a 13-year-old named Andrew Jackson​ was sabred by a British officer during the Revolutionary War in South Carolina and wore that scar his whole life.

"Andrew Jackson had a pretty clear-cut idea about America’s enemies: Kill them.”

What Gingrich fails to realize is that there are 'Pakistani Andrew Jacksons' who have been hurt by a drone attack which hits 6% of their intended targets.
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By Odin.Daemun 2012-01-17 15:59:12
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Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »
How'd people feel about Gingrich's spiel?

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"A Chinese dissident who comes in here — a Chinese dissident who comes here seeking freedom is not the same as a terrorist who goes to Pakistan seeking asylum,” Gingrich said, noting that a 13-year-old named Andrew Jackson​ was sabred by a British officer during the Revolutionary War in South Carolina and wore that scar his whole life.

"Andrew Jackson had a pretty clear-cut idea about America’s enemies: Kill them.”

What Gingrich fails to realize is that there are 'Pakistani Andrew Jacksons' who have been hurt by a drone attack which hits 6% of their intended targets.
Where do you get your information? They hit about 86% of their targets. The 14% they miss is almost exclusively due to bad recon data within 5 min of the attack. (ie. Manned aircraft wouldn't have done any better)
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Leviathan.Quetzacoatl said: »

Yeah, I'm just going to leave this here.
I love this quote.
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Carbuncle.Lynxblade said: »
I like Ron paul,hes my fav out of all the republicans, everyone else has a major flaw

Most interesting but totally unelectable. He scares the establishment silly.

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Rick perry is just HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE....basically another George bush

He actually makes Bush look informed.

Quote:
Newt the Grinch cheated on his wife when she was in the hospital with cancer....at least I remember hearing something like that..and also alot of people that have meet him personally say hes an ahole

That story goes ... She was in the hospital recovering from a cancer operation when he dropped the divorce papers on her.

He has never been faithful to any of his wives, always sleeping with the next before dropping the current one.

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Romney changes his political views alot

At the most convenient times too.

Quote:
Assjuiceman (santorum) Really hates gay people for some reason,

But he says he loves them and only hates the sin. So we should toss them out of the military, prevent them from adoption or marrying, and toss them in jail if they have sex.

But he says he loves everyone too. hmmmmm.....

Asura.Psubond said: »
i would definitely back ron paul if he wasn't an isolationist as i like his domestic policy. it's just his foreign policy that scares the crap out of me. we tried the isolationist thing before in the 30s, how did that work out for the world?

He isn't an isolationist. He is a non interventionist. Over half of our discretionary spending goes to the military. Its about as much as THE REST OF THE WORLD spends on "defense". And look at what happened when we gave the keys to our military to a cowboy.

We weren't isolationist in the '30s, we just couldn't afford foreign entanglements.

Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
The ironic thing is a lot of military personal and their families support Ron Paul.

Not a bit. See above.

Ragnarok.Ashman said: »
I don't want a president who wants to nuke the ***out of everything that moves. However, I also don't want a president who is adamant about NEVER bombing anyone.

Defense not offense is his military stance. As I understand it at least.

One of his points. Why are we still occupying Japan, Germany, and Korea?

Ragnarok.Evandis said: »
I also really wish people would do their own fact checking, rather than believing politically motivated and funded news agencies and the advertisements of other politicians.

Most people listen to the news they want to hear. And in this 21st century that's all to easy to do. Well, most people who bother with news that is.
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
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Rick perry is just HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE....basically another George bush

He actually makes Bush look informed.
That's scary.
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By Odin.Daemun 2012-01-17 16:29:41
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Garuda.Chanti said: »
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Rick perry is just HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE....basically another George bush

He actually makes Bush look informed.
That's scary.
But oh so true.
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By Odin.Gosuapple 2012-01-17 16:32:36
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Bismarck.Elanabelle said: »
No doubt, Bart. Still, if conservatives want to boo Paul for being an isolationist, fine. But in this case, they appear to be booing Paul simply because he suggested that we shouldn't bomb other nations ... based on the premise that we wouldn't approve of other nations bombing the USA.

In my opinion, this just speaks to the general "conservative" love affair with "feeling good" about America when we bomb/invade other countries.

"Oh my!! Ron Paul suggested that we avoid bombing other countries?!?! BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"

Seriously, wtf is that?
Pathetic.

Bombing other countries? Oh are you talking about when their terrorist soil viciously attacks our freedom bombs? Totally unprovoked, those countries should be ashamed of themselves!
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2012-01-17 16:33:13
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
The ironic thing is a lot of military personal and their families support Ron Paul.

Not a bit. See above.

I beg to differ.

Ron Paul raises most campaign cash from military workers

Military Families Support Ron Paul's Platform In Zogby Poll

Ron Paul Gets Most Military Support

There's more too, I'm just posting a few. (The last one is for the lulz)
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By Valefor.Mithano 2012-01-17 17:28:32
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Ragnarok.Evandis said: »
This country is currently so broken

I see this statement a lot. Daily show even did a great bit about it with John McCain:

I can certainly look at our government and point at things I don't like (that are broken). But that makes me wonder, when was the last time the "system" worked?
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Garuda.Chanti said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
The ironic thing is a lot of military personal and their families support Ron Paul.

Not a bit. See above.

I beg to differ.

Ron Paul raises most campaign cash from military workers

Military Families Support Ron Paul's Platform In Zogby Poll

Ron Paul Gets Most Military Support

There's more too, I'm just posting a few. (The last one is for the lulz)

I read Chanti's response as, It's not ironic. Because it makes sense. Even though we have an all volunteer military, very very few of them actually want to be deployed away from their family to a country we have no business being in for whatever reason, to be shot at, bombed or killed. Ron Paul thinks the same thing. It only hakes sense for them to support him.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2012-01-17 17:54:10
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Wenuden said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Garuda.Chanti said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
The ironic thing is a lot of military personal and their families support Ron Paul.

Not a bit. See above.

I beg to differ.

Ron Paul raises most campaign cash from military workers

Military Families Support Ron Paul's Platform In Zogby Poll

Ron Paul Gets Most Military Support

There's more too, I'm just posting a few. (The last one is for the lulz)

I read Chanti's response as, It's not ironic. Because it makes sense. Even though we have an all volunteer military, very very few of them actually want to be deployed away from their family to a country we have no business being in for whatever reason, to be shot at, bombed or killed. Ron Paul thinks the same thing. It only hakes sense for them to support him.
Hmm didn't take it that way. Perhaps that is what he meant than, that it's not a bit ironic.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2012-01-17 17:58:40
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I have more of an issue with the thought of "states rights" than not bombing other people, then again I don't like the idea of waiting to act until AFTER something has happened.

Also I would much rather have a huge military that stands around doing nothing than not having one...

also there's good reasons to have military deployed on bases worldwide, even in times of peace. especially Japan who legally doesn't have their "own military"
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By Shiva.Xellith 2012-01-17 18:35:16
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Caitsith.Sai said: »
Shiva.Xellith said: »
I think american politics is funny.

Every election its more or less the exact same candidate in terms of policy and then people *** and *** that nothing changes. Only an idiot keeps trying the same experiment and expects different results.

The definition of insanity is using the same quote over and over and still expecting people to find you clever.

Yes, I see the ironing.

Dont believe ive ever said what I said before. And I dont believe I said it to be clever. I said it to point out how funny US politics are. Not to be clever. I wouldnt be hanging around on the FFXIAH boards if I wanted to be clever.
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Wenuden said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Garuda.Chanti said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
The ironic thing is a lot of military personal and their families support Ron Paul.

Not a bit. See above.

I beg to differ.

Ron Paul raises most campaign cash from military workers

Military Families Support Ron Paul's Platform In Zogby Poll

Ron Paul Gets Most Military Support

There's more too, I'm just posting a few. (The last one is for the lulz)

I read Chanti's response as, It's not ironic. Because it makes sense. Even though we have an all volunteer military, very very few of them actually want to be deployed away from their family to a country we have no business being in for whatever reason, to be shot at, bombed or killed. Ron Paul thinks the same thing. It only hakes sense for them to support him.

If we didn't have bases abroad, we would have less military jobs available- including ones that don't involve getting shot at.

Going abroad isn't always= going to kill me sum terrorists!.
Sometimes it's just being stationed in Germany or Japan- with your family.

Ron Paul wants to get rid of all bases abroad, which would cause many of those supporters to lose their jobs- something that is very ironic.
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By Bismarck.Elanabelle 2012-01-17 20:49:27
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Yeah, there's no reason to shut down strategic military bases in countries that tolerate their presence.

That's a totally different ballgame than what's being discussed in the OP video, though.

At least in the 90 seconds captured in the OP video, Paul is saying "we shouldn't bomb other countries" based on the "Golden Rule" tenet that we wouldn't be very pleased if another country started dropping bombs on our soil.

I think Paul has a damned good point there. And I think it's pathetic that the audience actually booed this idea.
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First they boo Paul's ideas now they boo for nearly skipping over him to answer a question...

Crowd Boos After Dr. Paul Nearly Passed Over on Abortion Question, Later Spars With ‘Overly Sensitive’ Santorum on Issue
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Ragnarok.Evandis said: »
I don't know who the answer is, but I don't believe it to be Ron Paul. This country is currently so broken, and we are all looking for the quick fix, when there isn't any. At the end of the day, I will probably be voting for Obama again, because at this point I think switching up tactics when his are currently only halfway accomplished will hurt us more than seeing where he goes with it.

I also really wish people would do their own fact checking, rather than believing politically motivated and funded news agencies and the advertisements of other politicians.

Then you're ready for socialism and have brushed up on Mandarin?

You have to be totally joking when you say 4 more years of Obama is better than any other alternative.

From http://www.factcheck.org/2011/02/sorry-statistics/
the 'corrected' report card values:
Since he took office in Jan 2009:
The price of gas went from $1.83 to $3.11 avg -- 69% increase
Corn rose 72.5%
Sugar rose 175%
Unemployment went from 7.8% to 9.0% -- up 15.3%
People receiving food stamps rose 36%
National debt rose 32.27%

REALLY?

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Sylph.Izzybella said: »
Ragnarok.Evandis said: »
I don't know who the answer is, but I don't believe it to be Ron Paul. This country is currently so broken, and we are all looking for the quick fix, when there isn't any. At the end of the day, I will probably be voting for Obama again, because at this point I think switching up tactics when his are currently only halfway accomplished will hurt us more than seeing where he goes with it.

I also really wish people would do their own fact checking, rather than believing politically motivated and funded news agencies and the advertisements of other politicians.

Then you're ready for socialism and have brushed up on Mandarin?

You have to be totally joking when you say 4 more years of Obama is better than any other alternative.

From http://www.factcheck.org/2011/02/sorry-statistics/
the 'corrected' report card values:
Since he took office in Jan 2009:
The price of gas went from $1.83 to $3.11 avg -- 69% increase
Corn rose 72.5%
Sugar rose 175%
Unemployment went from 7.8% to 9.0% -- up 15.3%
People receiving food stamps rose 36%
National debt rose 32.27%

REALLY?

**edited spelling**
Don't you know that the only way to invoke change is to keep doing the same thing over and over again?
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By Leviathan.Behemothx 2012-01-20 08:15:04
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Sylph.Izzybella said: »
Ragnarok.Evandis said: »
I don't know who the answer is, but I don't believe it to be Ron Paul. This country is currently so broken, and we are all looking for the quick fix, when there isn't any. At the end of the day, I will probably be voting for Obama again, because at this point I think switching up tactics when his are currently only halfway accomplished will hurt us more than seeing where he goes with it.

I also really wish people would do their own fact checking, rather than believing politically motivated and funded news agencies and the advertisements of other politicians.

Then you're ready for socialism and have brushed up on Mandarin?

You have to be totally joking when you say 4 more years of Obama is better than any other alternative.

From http://www.factcheck.org/2011/02/sorry-statistics/
the 'corrected' report card values:
Since he took office in Jan 2009:
The price of gas went from $1.83 to $3.11 avg -- 69% increase
Corn rose 72.5%
Sugar rose 175%
Unemployment went from 7.8% to 9.0% -- up 15.3%
People receiving food stamps rose 36%
National debt rose 32.27%

REALLY?

**edited spelling**

While I don't care who wins (not american), you haven't forgotten that he actually has to clean up the mess left by the two-term Bush? Quote from your link:

Quote:
Obama inherited the worst economic recession since the Great Depression

The way the US has wasted resources in military funding the past 10 years, I don't think any individual or party could fix the US economy in one term or even two.
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Ron Paul Doesn't Plan on fixing it.



I am a Ron Paul supporter.
 
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