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By Bismarck.Elanabelle 2012-01-17 05:52:25
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If you've kept an eye on the (what, two dozen now?) GOP Presidential TV debates, you've witnessed the "conservative" audiences do the following ... boo a gay soldier, cheer for executions, cheer for letting a sick uninsured man die, and cheer for child labor.

And now, they've booed "The Golden Rule" when described by Ron Paul. I'm no Christian, but isn't "The Golden Rule" actually derived from Bible scripture?

Paul (apparently audaciously in Republican eyes?) suggested that the USA should avoid bombing foreign countries, since we wouldn't be very pleased if foreign countries were bombing the USA. Is that really such a radical idea? What would Jesus say? (lol)

This just goes to show that "conservatives" in the USA are much more into "Modern Corporate Worship" than worshiping Jesus and being Christians.

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By Bismarck.Elanabelle 2012-01-17 06:20:13
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No doubt, Bart. Still, if conservatives want to boo Paul for being an isolationist, fine. But in this case, they appear to be booing Paul simply because he suggested that we shouldn't bomb other nations ... based on the premise that we wouldn't approve of other nations bombing the USA.

In my opinion, this just speaks to the general "conservative" love affair with "feeling good" about America when we bomb/invade other countries.

"Oh my!! Ron Paul suggested that we avoid bombing other countries?!?! BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"

Seriously, wtf is that?
Pathetic.
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By Carbuncle.Lynxblade 2012-01-17 06:52:12
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kind of a HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE audience imo....

Audience: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
10 secs later
Audience: YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!

anyways , I like Ron paul,hes my fav out of all the republicans, everyone else has a major flaw

Rick perry is just HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE....basically another George bush

Newt the Grinch cheated on his wife when she was in the hospital with cancer....at least I remember hearing something like that..and also alot of people that have meet him personally say hes an ahole

Romney changes his political views alot

Assjuiceman (santorum) Really hates gay people for some reason, (probably saw his dad with another man when he was a kid)

but anyways....



I really hope hes serious about running....

btw watch the full episode if you get a chance on hulu
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By Cerberus.Kalyna 2012-01-17 06:55:24
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I have a feeling those people Booing were paid to boo to make Ron Paul look bad.





At least I'm hoping they were.
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By Asura.Psubond 2012-01-17 07:01:18
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i would definitely back ron paul if he wasn't an isolationist as i like his domestic policy. it's just his foreign policy that scares the crap out of me. we tried the isolationist thing before in the 30s, how did that work out for the world?
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By Shiva.Xellith 2012-01-17 07:12:44
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I think american politics is funny.

Every election its more or less the exact same candidate in terms of policy and then people *** and *** that nothing changes. Only an idiot keeps trying the same experiment and expects different results.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2012-01-17 08:03:33
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The ironic thing is a lot of military personal and their families support Ron Paul.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2012-01-17 08:22:46
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"The Golden Rule" predates Christianity and is in the Bible that most Christians have never even read.

The only reason many of those GOP individuals support the warhawk mentality of the US is because they're more than happy for anyone to throw their lives away so long as it isn't their lives on the line.
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2012-01-17 08:34:18
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I don't want a president who wants to nuke the ***out of everything that moves. However, I also don't want a president who is adamant about NEVER bombing anyone. I can't watch the video and hear the connotation or inflections because I'm at work, but I would HOPE that is the concept.

Even if a presidential candidate feels that they will absolutely never engage in military conflict, they should absolutely never say it. It's like painting a giant sign on the borders of the US saying "do whatever you like, we'll be a pushover about it". I don't want the US to be the police for the world, nor do I think we should get involved in half of the matters we do. I do think that we shouldn't let everyone in the world know that we have no intention to get involved.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2012-01-17 08:37:21
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Ragnarok.Ashman said: »
I don't want a president who wants to nuke the ***out of everything that moves. However, I also don't want a president who is adamant about NEVER bombing anyone. I can't watch the video and hear the connotation or inflections because I'm at work, but I would HOPE that is the concept.

Even if a presidential candidate feels that they will absolutely never engage in military conflict, they should absolutely never say it. It's like painting a giant sign on the borders of the US saying "do whatever you like, we'll be a pushover about it". I don't want the US to be the police for the world, nor do I think we should get involved in half of the matters we do. I do think that we shouldn't let everyone in the world know that we have no intention to get involved.
Somehow I doubt he's all about no military action whatsoever. He's more about not provoking countries with heavy sanctions and whatnot (bombs, etc.).
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2012-01-17 08:40:59
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Ragnarok.Ashman said: »
I don't want a president who wants to nuke the ***out of everything that moves. However, I also don't want a president who is adamant about NEVER bombing anyone. I can't watch the video and hear the connotation or inflections because I'm at work, but I would HOPE that is the concept. Even if a presidential candidate feels that they will absolutely never engage in military conflict, they should absolutely never say it. It's like painting a giant sign on the borders of the US saying "do whatever you like, we'll be a pushover about it". I don't want the US to be the police for the world, nor do I think we should get involved in half of the matters we do. I do think that we shouldn't let everyone in the world know that we have no intention to get involved.
Somehow I doubt he's all about no military action whatsoever. He's more about not provoking countries with heavy sanctions and whatnot (bombs, etc.).

Understood. Don't mind me then.
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Paul's views are generally attributed to those of non-interventionism, which is the belief that the United States should avoid entangling alliances with other nations, but still retain diplomacy, and avoid all wars not related to direct territorial self-defense. Paul is quoted as stating "America [should] not interfere militarily, financially, or covertly in the internal affairs of other nations", while advocating "open trade, travel, communication, and diplomacy with other nations". Ronald Reagan spoke in support of Paul's foreign policy views in the early 1980s, stating "Ron Paul is one of the outstanding leaders fighting for a stronger national defense. As a former Air Force officer, he knows well the needs of our armed forces, and he always puts them first. We need to keep him fighting for our country." Daniel Ellsberg, famous for releasing the Pentagon Papers, has said of Paul in 2010: "On foreign policy, on the Constitution, on Homeland Security, on intervention, he speaks very well." Ohio Democratic Congressman Dennis Kucinich has said that he and Paul "agree tremendously on international policy".

Non-intervention

Paul's stance on foreign policy is one of consistent non-intervention, opposing wars of aggression and entangling alliances with other nations.

Paul advocates bringing troops home from U.S. military bases in Korea, Japan, and Europe, among others. He also proposes that the U.S. stop sending what he deems massive, unaccountable foreign aid. The National Journal labeled Paul's overall foreign policies in 2010 as more conservative than 60% of the House and more liberal than 40% of the House (53% and 47%, respectively, in 2009). For 2008, his ratings were 57% more conservative and 42% more liberal (48% and 52%, respectively, in 2007).

In an October 11, 2007 interview with The Washington Post, Paul said, "There's nobody in this world that could possibly attack us today... we could defend this country with a few good submarines. If anybody dared touch us we could wipe any country off of the face of the earth within hours. And here we are, so intimidated and so insecure and we're acting like such bullies that we have to attack third-world nations that have no military and have no weapons."

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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2012-01-17 08:41:34
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Ragnarok.Ashman said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Ragnarok.Ashman said: »
I don't want a president who wants to nuke the ***out of everything that moves. However, I also don't want a president who is adamant about NEVER bombing anyone. I can't watch the video and hear the connotation or inflections because I'm at work, but I would HOPE that is the concept. Even if a presidential candidate feels that they will absolutely never engage in military conflict, they should absolutely never say it. It's like painting a giant sign on the borders of the US saying "do whatever you like, we'll be a pushover about it". I don't want the US to be the police for the world, nor do I think we should get involved in half of the matters we do. I do think that we shouldn't let everyone in the world know that we have no intention to get involved.
Somehow I doubt he's all about no military action whatsoever. He's more about not provoking countries with heavy sanctions and whatnot (bombs, etc.).

Understood. Don't mind me then.
See above for a more detailed explanation.

If only more people really understood his position...
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2012-01-17 08:41:58
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It's become an implied "you're a wuss" if we pull out of countries because it'd signify the end of the American 'empire'. A tactical retreat may sound better than a retreat but it's still a retreat.

Without a doubt such an action Ron Paul wants to take would be a huge blow to the American ego and to some China would simply occupy the void America leaves behind.
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
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Paul's views are generally attributed to those of non-interventionism, which is the belief that the United States should avoid entangling alliances with other nations, but still retain diplomacy, and avoid all wars not related to direct territorial self-defense. Paul is quoted as stating "America [should] not interfere militarily, financially, or covertly in the internal affairs of other nations", while advocating "open trade, travel, communication, and diplomacy with other nations". Ronald Reagan spoke in support of Paul's foreign policy views in the early 1980s, stating "Ron Paul is one of the outstanding leaders fighting for a stronger national defense. As a former Air Force officer, he knows well the needs of our armed forces, and he always puts them first. We need to keep him fighting for our country." Daniel Ellsberg, famous for releasing the Pentagon Papers, has said of Paul in 2010: "On foreign policy, on the Constitution, on Homeland Security, on intervention, he speaks very well." Ohio Democratic Congressman Dennis Kucinich has said that he and Paul "agree tremendously on international policy".

Non-intervention

Paul's stance on foreign policy is one of consistent non-intervention, opposing wars of aggression and entangling alliances with other nations.

Paul advocates bringing troops home from U.S. military bases in Korea, Japan, and Europe, among others. He also proposes that the U.S. stop sending what he deems massive, unaccountable foreign aid. The National Journal labeled Paul's overall foreign policies in 2010 as more conservative than 60% of the House and more liberal than 40% of the House (53% and 47%, respectively, in 2009). For 2008, his ratings were 57% more conservative and 42% more liberal (48% and 52%, respectively, in 2007).

In an October 11, 2007 interview with The Washington Post, Paul said, "There's nobody in this world that could possibly attack us today... we could defend this country with a few good submarines. If anybody dared touch us we could wipe any country off of the face of the earth within hours. And here we are, so intimidated and so insecure and we're acting like such bullies that we have to attack third-world nations that have no military and have no weapons."

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Reagan, the poster child for the republicans, agreed with him.
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By Phoenix.Sayomi 2012-01-17 08:55:23
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Politics on FFXIAH forums really? /fp
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By Shaidalyn 2012-01-17 09:00:18
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Cerberus.Kalyna said: »
I have a feeling those people Booing were paid to boo to make Ron Paul look bad.





At least I'm hoping they were.
All I want to know: What anime is your avatar from, and is it good? :P
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Phoenix.Sayomi said: »
Politics on FFXIAH forums really? /fp
You must be new here.
Why else do you think the "Forum » Everything Else » Politics and Religion" category exists?
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By Asura.Ina 2012-01-17 09:03:26
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Phoenix.Sayomi said: »
Politics on FFXIAH forums really? /fp
Notice how this thread is located in the Politics and Religions section.
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Reading, it's one helluva drug.
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@Shaidalyn C³ (C Cubed, Cube x Cursed x Curious) it's alright

also politics are everywhere. I've seen so many shouting political debates on the 3 servers I've been on (Cerb, Ramuh and Asura)

Imo the country, as well as the entire world is *** either way, regardless who we pick. Them Mayans probably predicted that the countries of the world are gonna blow each other up this year.
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Yeah, I'm just going to leave this here.
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Phoenix.Sayomi said: »
Politics on FFXIAH forums really? /fp

People have an interest in real life?!? Simply shocking, I know! The mods and admins take part in discussions?!? How could they!?!

/gasp
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Shiva.Xellith said: »
I think american politics is funny.

Every election its more or less the exact same candidate in terms of policy and then people *** and *** that nothing changes. Only an idiot keeps trying the same experiment and expects different results.

Says the person who had Gordon Brown as a PM.
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American Politics has more or less come down to this in a nutshell; both for the voters, potential voters as well as the politician candidates themselves.

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Asura.Psubond said: »
i would definitely back ron paul if he wasn't an isolationist as i like his domestic policy. it's just his foreign policy that scares the crap out of me. we tried the isolationist thing before in the 30s, how did that work out for the world?
Thank goodness WW2 didn't start until 1939, right? China and Japan were at war WAY before we intervened, and The Nazi Party wasn't growing until 1925. Hypothetically speaking, had Black Monday still occurred after we started doing something about Germany by the time the great depression hit, we would've been in deeper ***.

OH WAIT, THAT SCENARIO SOUNDS SO FAMILIAR.

Artemicion said: »
American Politics has more or less come down to this in a nutshell.


If it's one thing I'd like to see someone do, it's hijacking all of america's cable networks and playing this exact clip. Then resume programming. Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert would get a kick out of that one.
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Ron Paul is toxic it when it comes to foreign policy. He refuses to acknowledge that the major players within the community of Islamic terrorism hate us because they want to impose the rule of Islam on the entire world. That's the reason we were bombed and attacked, not because we assert ourselves in the affairs of the world in the pursuit of our own self interests. If we became isolationists like he envisions, the elements of islam that attack us and hate us today would still attack us and still hate us.

That's why the audience is booing him, because he touts the whiny (dare I say liberal) "we deserved to get attacked on 911" BS.

Also please tell me a country that we've "endlessly bombed", that kind of rhetoric is simply untrue.

Nice narrative Elanabelle. Maybe now you get it, but I'm guessing you'll still keep that spin machine of yours running.

EDIT: Inb4 you have me topic banned (again).
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By Leviathan.Quetzacoatl 2012-01-17 14:53:13
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Which is why we need to put up our defenses first, bring our economy back up BEFORE we can start asserting ourselves again when foreign countries call on us for assistance. Everyone else is just going to have to deal with it until we get our money back.

And bring me up to speed on any new terrorist threats or attacks since Bin Laden was taken down, because I honestly haven't heard of any from Al Qaeda in a long time. I'll admit I haven't been up to speed on international issues, so humor me if you like.
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