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Presidential Candidates .. Who do you like?
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2012-04-15 11:54:34
McCain was questioned quite extensively about his citizenship due to the fact he was born in the Panama Canal zone. He produced his certificate immediately showing that he had citizenship rights due to his father served in the military, and McCain was born in an US Military base in the Panama Canal Zone. He was a natural born child, born of natural born citizens at the time of his birth. The Panama Canal Zone was a US territory when McCain was born in 1936.
Of course no one remembers THAT...
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Go on. You still haven't touched upon Obama being a Muslim secretly trying to indoctrinate us to the faith of Allah.
Or the fact that Obama hates white people and wants to see everyone put in internment camps.
Or the fact that the healthcare reform bill will destroy the country.
Or the fact that pulling out of Iraq constituted a failure of the mission.
Or the fact that he bailed out the auto industry and showed tremendous weakness during the financial collapse.
Or that killing Osama bin Laden was just foreign policy luck. He knew where Bin Laden was anyway, being Muslim and all. Telepathy.
Or the fact that he wants to turn this country into a fascist state.
I miss any other truths?
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2012-04-15 12:03:03
And Obama wants to take away your guns and outlaw religion.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2012-04-15 12:21:15
Not putting his hand on the Bible during the inauguration has nothing to do with being American or not. At worst (and this is not even bad, in my opinion) it shows that he is non-religious or holds a different religion than Christianity. So bloody what. At best (again, this isn't my definition of best/worst, it's more what I imagine what the people hold as important), it's showing support for a separation of church and state. If you disagree with the separation of church and state, I think you should see some quotes from our founding fathers on the matter.
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Putting a hand on the Bible is a tradition that is merely continued for the satisfaction of a mostly Christian nation who does not understand the difference between a country of religious freedom and a country where their religion rules. It's ridiculous that such a thing is even in a discussion about the effectiveness of his presidency. Not to sound like a raving angry lady, but it really just sounds to me like people inventing reasons to be against him. "OH MY GOD Becky! He didn't put his hand on the Bible! That means he's going to have the worst presidency ever! He's probably a terrorist, too! Anyone who doesn't hold our religious beliefs is obviously a terrorist!" >.> Really.
Now, I'm not a humongous Obama supporter. I think we've had better presidents, and I think we've had worse presidents. What is important to me in a presidential candidate is how I think he/she will respect my rights. So, looking over what I believe my rights are-- the right for all people to marry whoever they are in love with, the right to have full information regarding my own health and to make decisions based on that, the right to birth control so that my husband and I can decide for ourselves if/when/how many children we will have, that sort of thing.
With that in mind, what has Obama done about gay marriage? He's repealed don't ask don't tell. What have GOP candidates stated that they wish to do about gay marriage? Repeal the rights of gays to marry. Score one for Obama. How does Obama treat women? Apparently (according to my rabid anti-Obama aunt, keep in mind that I have not bothered to look this up in the slightest) he pays his female staff less than his male staff. What do Republicans want to do about women? Pass laws that state that an unfertilized egg is a person up to two weeks before conception, take away funding for breast and ovarian cancer screens, pass laws that protect doctors from being sued if they intentionally withhold information about a woman's pregnancy from her, pass laws that make birth control pills illegal (as well as other forms of hormonal birth control), pass laws that force women to undergo transvaginal ultrasounds against their will. What's the definition of rape again? Oh yeah. Any penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus without consent. So a law mandating forced transvaginal ultrasounds (which are 100% medically unnecessary, by the way) is legal, state-sanctioned rape. How about no.
I'm really sorry about the political bullcrap. Really, I am. Because in this election, who I vote for has nothing to do with who I agree with politically and everything to do with who is going to defend my rights instead of try to take them away. And even if Obama doesn't actually have my rights in mind, at least he's not trying to actively destroy them in the name of 'personhood' rights!
After reading that, I think Leila should be president.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2012-04-15 12:32:31
Leila totally summed up my feelings of the actions of the theocrats, dropped a knowledge bomb regarding the founders and demonstrated how no matter how hard the (extreme) right cries about government intervention that they have no problem with intervening on women's rights and reproductive freedom using the state.
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2012-04-15 12:37:41
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »McCain was questioned quite extensively about his citizenship due to the fact he was born in the Panama Canal zone. He produced his certificate immediately showing that he had citizenship rights due to his father served in the military, and McCain was born in an US Military base in the Panama Canal Zone. He was a natural born child, born of natural born citizens at the time of his birth. The Panama Canal Zone was a US territory when McCain was born in 1936.
Of course no one remembers THAT...
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Go on. You still haven't touched upon Obama being a Muslim secretly trying to indoctrinate us to the faith of Allah.
Or the fact that Obama hates white people and wants to see everyone put in internment camps.
Or the fact that the healthcare reform bill will destroy the country.
Or the fact that pulling out of Iraq constituted a failure of the mission.
Or the fact that he bailed out the auto industry and showed tremendous weakness during the financial collapse.
Or that killing Osama bin Laden was just foreign policy luck. He knew where Bin Laden was anyway, being Muslim and all. Telepathy.
Or the fact that he wants to turn this country into a fascist state.
I miss any other truths?
only the most obvious, that he's a secret socialist channeling the spirit of Marx.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2012-04-15 12:38:59
At least you said Karl Marx and didn't Godwin this thread.
Phew.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2012-04-15 12:40:53
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Leila totally summed up my feelings of the actions of the theocrats, dropped a knowledge bomb regarding the founders and demonstrated how no matter how hard the (extreme) right cries about government intervention that they have no problem with intervening on women's rights and reproductive freedom using the state.
When I heard about the mandatory transvaginal ultra-sound thing, I thought it was hyperbole.
Apparently it's okay, because they don't actually have to look at the screen. So instead of some vile attempt at guilt-tripping, it's just sexual assault with a foreign object. Under God indeed.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2012-04-15 13:30:49
Freedom right into your most personal orifices.
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By Aurilius 2012-04-15 13:36:07
I read something about Obama's secret service men getting their jimmies rustled in Colombia by some hookers. I'm actually amazed the story hasn't made front page news. Then again the media only lets you know what they want to let you know.
Holds no relevance to the thread, and I don't care if they paid for sex. I just figured the shitstorm was a brewin, so I grabbed my poncho.
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By Sylph.Izzybella 2012-04-15 13:43:44
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Go on. You still haven't touched upon Obama being a Muslim secretly trying to indoctrinate us to the faith of Allah.
Or the fact that Obama hates white people and wants to see everyone put in internment camps.
Or the fact that the healthcare reform bill will destroy the country.
Or the fact that pulling out of Iraq constituted a failure of the mission.
Or the fact that he bailed out the auto industry and showed tremendous weakness during the financial collapse.
Or that killing Osama bin Laden was just foreign policy luck. He knew where Bin Laden was anyway, being Muslim and all. Telepathy.
Or the fact that he wants to turn this country into a fascist state.
I miss any other truths?
wow...you honestly believe that crap? lol
I reply with FACTS to someone saying that the 'white man' is never grilled like Obama is and you come back with piddly-trash talk. pfft ofc you can't deal in facts...
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By Asura.Ina 2012-04-15 13:45:37
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Go on. You still haven't touched upon Obama being a Muslim secretly trying to indoctrinate us to the faith of Allah.
Or the fact that Obama hates white people and wants to see everyone put in internment camps.
Or the fact that the healthcare reform bill will destroy the country.
Or the fact that pulling out of Iraq constituted a failure of the mission.
Or the fact that he bailed out the auto industry and showed tremendous weakness during the financial collapse.
Or that killing Osama bin Laden was just foreign policy luck. He knew where Bin Laden was anyway, being Muslim and all. Telepathy.
Or the fact that he wants to turn this country into a fascist state.
I miss any other truths?
only the most obvious, that he's a secret socialist channeling the spirit of Marx.
wow...you honestly believe that crap? lol.
I reply with FACTS to someone saying that the 'white man' is never grilled like Obama is and you come back with piddly-trash. pfft You honestly believe they were serious?
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2012-04-15 13:48:51
I'm suddenly getting the suspicion we're dealing with a high level troll here.
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By Sylph.Izzybella 2012-04-15 13:54:35
I'm suddenly getting the suspicion we're dealing with a high level troll here.
No...I am laughing at the absurdity of the come-backs to seriousness. The majority of you aren't worth my time debating. You throw trash back to serious comments and only YOUR truth (opinions) are real.
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2012-04-15 13:57:20
It's too late, you've already over played your hand. :) nice try though
EDIT: Lol now you're just trying too hard, especially since you skip over facts just as easily. Telltale troll signs are now obvious.
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By Sylph.Izzybella 2012-04-15 15:44:33
It's too late, you've already over played your hand. :) nice try though
EDIT: Lol now you're just trying too hard, especially since you skip over facts just as easily. Telltale troll signs are now obvious.
LOL w/e floats your boat
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By Pandemonium.Anookulchandra 2012-04-15 15:55:46
^ nuff said
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2012-04-15 15:56:36
It's too late, you've already over played your hand. :) nice try though
EDIT: Lol now you're just trying too hard, especially since you skip over facts just as easily. Telltale troll signs are now obvious.
LOL w/e floats your boat
You skipped over Leila's post, why?
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By Fenrir.Jinjo 2012-04-15 16:18:06
Because she has literally zero ability to form credible opinions when it comes to political debate and feels it more productive to rehash the same ***.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2012-04-15 18:41:36
Because she has literally zero ability to form credible opinions when it comes to political debate and feels it more productive to rehash the same ***.
Aren't most political or religion threads just all of us chasing our tails?
Her opinions are just as valid as everyone else's on here. If you want to skip over them, fine. Don't boast about it though. No need to be a ***!
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By Fenrir.Jinjo 2012-04-15 18:46:23
Opinions that cannot be substantiated by facts are not "just as valid".
1: I feel that the sky is purple today.
2: It's not.
1: But like, that's just my opinion, man.
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By Ragnarok.Kongming 2012-04-15 18:48:30
Pandemonium.Anookulchandra said: »
^ nuff said oh yes please, this thread needs some derf
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By Fenrir.Jinjo 2012-04-15 18:50:26
No. He's fine if he stays out of relevant threads. If that boundary is overlooked, he becomes a damn nuisance.
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Caitsith.Zahrah
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2012-04-15 19:01:20
So you are completely opposed to reading anecdotes that people use to legitimize their personal belief structures, getting insight on why a person would choose their stance, etc.? How do you interact with people IRL?
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By Fenrir.Jinjo 2012-04-15 19:06:05
Being incorrect isn't really a "personal belief structure".
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Caitsith.Zahrah
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2012-04-15 19:08:35
Sometimes I think you just like to argue.
By Jetackuu 2012-04-15 23:59:58
Zahrah your gif is creepy
By Jetackuu 2012-04-16 00:01:34
Not putting his hand on the Bible during the inauguration has nothing to do with being American or not. At worst (and this is not even bad, in my opinion) it shows that he is non-religious or holds a different religion than Christianity. So bloody what. At best (again, this isn't my definition of best/worst, it's more what I imagine what the people hold as important), it's showing support for a separation of church and state. If you disagree with the separation of church and state, I think you should see some quotes from our founding fathers on the matter.
[ Spoiler Snip for epic post]
Putting a hand on the Bible is a tradition that is merely continued for the satisfaction of a mostly Christian nation who does not understand the difference between a country of religious freedom and a country where their religion rules. It's ridiculous that such a thing is even in a discussion about the effectiveness of his presidency. Not to sound like a raving angry lady, but it really just sounds to me like people inventing reasons to be against him. "OH MY GOD Becky! He didn't put his hand on the Bible! That means he's going to have the worst presidency ever! He's probably a terrorist, too! Anyone who doesn't hold our religious beliefs is obviously a terrorist!" >.> Really.
Now, I'm not a humongous Obama supporter. I think we've had better presidents, and I think we've had worse presidents. What is important to me in a presidential candidate is how I think he/she will respect my rights. So, looking over what I believe my rights are-- the right for all people to marry whoever they are in love with, the right to have full information regarding my own health and to make decisions based on that, the right to birth control so that my husband and I can decide for ourselves if/when/how many children we will have, that sort of thing.
With that in mind, what has Obama done about gay marriage? He's repealed don't ask don't tell. What have GOP candidates stated that they wish to do about gay marriage? Repeal the rights of gays to marry. Score one for Obama. How does Obama treat women? Apparently (according to my rabid anti-Obama aunt, keep in mind that I have not bothered to look this up in the slightest) he pays his female staff less than his male staff. What do Republicans want to do about women? Pass laws that state that an unfertilized egg is a person up to two weeks before conception, take away funding for breast and ovarian cancer screens, pass laws that protect doctors from being sued if they intentionally withhold information about a woman's pregnancy from her, pass laws that make birth control pills illegal (as well as other forms of hormonal birth control), pass laws that force women to undergo transvaginal ultrasounds against their will. What's the definition of rape again? Oh yeah. Any penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus without consent. So a law mandating forced transvaginal ultrasounds (which are 100% medically unnecessary, by the way) is legal, state-sanctioned rape. How about no.
I'm really sorry about the political bullcrap. Really, I am. Because in this election, who I vote for has nothing to do with who I agree with politically and everything to do with who is going to defend my rights instead of try to take them away. And even if Obama doesn't actually have my rights in mind, at least he's not trying to actively destroy them in the name of 'personhood' rights!
After reading that, I think Leila should be president.
got my vote
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2012-04-16 16:29:58
Whoops, bumped the wrong post.
Necro Bump Detected!
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By Odin.Daklipper 2012-06-14 16:42:13
wow Ron Paul kinda scares me but so do all the others. I personally was a Herman Cain supporter from several years ago, but that kinda fell apart. Anyway I feel Ron Paul is a kook. He should become an MD and then he will be a Quack!
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2012-06-14 16:44:26
wow Ron Paul kinda scares me but so do all the others. I personally was a Herman Cain supporter from several years ago, but that kinda fell apart. Anyway I feel Ron Paul is a kook. He should become an MD and then he will be a Quack!
Wait...What?!? He practiced Obstetrics and Gynecology for years.
Like the title says... The time is coming soon, where we will vote for our new President...... Personally, I believe the only person that would actually be good for this country is Ron Paul, everyone else seems like a bullshitter!
so who do you like?
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