Presidential Candidates .. Who Do You Like?

Sorry Jet, but you're a damned fool if you believe you can blame that on republicans. The blame for that grave injustice rests on the shoulders of all politicans. Both sides let that ***happen, and both sides reap the benefits. The credibility of your fact list died right when you put that in there.

I didn't call anyone "names", look them up, they are facts...

Taxes DO NOT GO TO ABORTIONS

seriously people still think this?

by law money collected by taxes can not and do not go to abortions.

As far as I'm concerned they should, and it's a medical procedure and there's no reason people shouldn't have health care.

Also it's not really "your dime" the majority of the money collected (value wise) is collected from the upper class, as it should be, they should just pay more.

as far as your concern with money goes, it's much cheaper to provide for an abortion than it is for an unwanted child, not to mention that I've been part of the system before, fortunately in a decent place and only temporarily, it's still not great, and considering that's not the norm and most places suck I don't even want to imagine what it would be like if there were that many more unwanted.

So again, learn the facts.

So speaking of crap rambling... yeah.

I didn't, I am pretty sure I said both parties are guilty of that.

Also I think I said that most of them belong in jail and we need a restructuring.

edit: even if I said that (which I didn't mean to imply it) it still doesn't invalidate anything else I said as they weren't dependent upon each other...

To people who are still voting for Ron Paul, here's what I think of you. I think you are so bitter and ticked off the country didn't embrace your guy like you thought they would, that deep down you want another 4 years of Obama, just to teach America a lesson. You are going to vote for "Ron Paul", the savior, even though he has less of a chance at winning than the chances of life on Pluto. Have at it. I am going to vote my conscience too. And my conscience tells me that I will do anything I can to keep Obama from a second term.

ftfy

Well you're a media tool, and I pity you. Here's the low down, since you seem too simple to comprehend. You are one of those people that I mentioned before that are a plague on this country by voting for a political party no matter what the candidate thinks. You voting for the republican just because he's the republican that was put on the pedestal by the media is ignorant at best.

As far as the Paul thing being a vote for Obama, also nonsense. Look at it this way (if you can): If I don't vote for Paul, I'm not going to go out and vote at all. So it's not a vote for Obama, it's a non-vote. I'm not bitter that the bias media didn't pick Paul as their go-to guy. I have no stake in Paul. If he doesn't win, so be it. I'm voting based on the issues and how I feel about them. Nothing more, nothing less.

I'm going to walk away now and cool off. You are the type of person that I described in my last post that is helping the two party system ruin this country, and it's pissing me off.

You need to learn something here. Federal funding = MY TAX DOLLARS. The Feds don't produce a product that brings in money so any money they use is MY TAX DOLLARS. FACT.

The Mexico City Policy, also known by critics as the Mexico City Gag Rule and the Global Gag Rule, was an intermittent United States government policy that required all non-governmental organizations (NGOs) that receive federal funding to refrain from performing or promoting abortion services, as a method of family planning, in other countries.
President Bill Clinton rescinded the Mexico City Policy on January 22, 1993. He referred to the policy as being "excessively broad" and stated that it had "undermined efforts to promote safe and efficacious family planning programs in foreign nations". On January 22, 2001, President George W. Bush reinstated the policy by executive order, stating, "It is my conviction that taxpayer funds should not be used to pay for abortions or advocate or actively promote abortion, either here or abroad. It is therefore my belief that the Mexico City Policy should be restored". In September 2007, Barbara Boxer, a Senator from California, created an amendment designed to lift the funding conditions put in place by the Mexico City Policy. It passed by a vote of 53-41. President Bush promised to veto any legislation which would eliminate the Mexico City Policy. On January 23, 2009, President Barack Obama rescinded the policy once again.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Policy

How are we the bitter ones when you're the one willing to do anything to keep Obama out of office. I'm going to vote for the person who represents me best that's Ron Paul. Don't like it too bad at least I'm not compromising my morals by being pushed to vote for the lesser of two evil. Just stop you're really making the republican party look bad something I thought only Bill o'reilly could master.

I'd be nice if people actually voted for candidates that looked after one's interests in policy rather than holding a false and misdirected sense of animosity towards the current administration.

This so much. You know what's killing america? The two party system that makes you align with a party that only marginally holds your values instead of supporting someone that does fully.

I'll vote with the intention of my voice being fully heard not partially can you same the same?

It's hilarious how people think FOX NEWS has such influence. If that was so Obama wouldn't have gotten in last time right? lmao

Just coz you get all your news from one place (probably Bill Mahre) doesn't mean that informed people do :D

Enough here. I'm going to play my game now :P

So you support letting Iran have nukes?

Man, you truly are hopeless.

there's an act in place forbidding it, and I'd post what it is but I can't recall at the moment.

as for federal funding = your tax dollars, don't make me laugh...

i'm voting for Ron paul this year, not to throw away a vote, but because this is the first year i actually think he can win.

you should be a bit more open minded when making your decision, look at all the other candidates and tell me Ron paul doesn't at least look tempting. this guy has it in him to be one of the greatest presidents of this generation, and i can't wait to see what he does if he wins.

(the only thing that scares me is the electoral college :|)

Except if you've bothered to pay attention this war on women's reproductive rights isn't only about who foots the bill for an abortion but rather the entire idea of controlling the reproductive cycle.

The idea of abortions is merely the rallying cry to get people protesting but really what those with power want to do is to severely restrict access to contraceptives even if you have the money for it on religious grounds. These tools are seen as morally wrong and destructive to the natural cycle and thus are worth fighting.

Nevermind this country was founded on religious liberty and freedom to choose your own path but the Republican party wants to impose Christian doctrine across the entire citizenry. These are the very same types of rules that sent people fleeing from Europe to the US all those years ago.

Even if you don't foot the bill for the abortion guess what? You'll be footing the bill for welfare when those irresponsible people wind up on the system for years toting the kid that couldn't get an abortion for thanks to your obstructionism. Shall we systematically eliminate welfare next? Better get your shotgun ready to fight off the orphan children trying to get by.

I can't take your side seriously because in addition to obstructing abortion rights you also want to deny sex education again on moral grounds but want to kick and scream when people are ill-equipped, ill-prepared and wind up on the very system you loathe.

You can't have it both ways.

Do you want to lower abortions and thus the number of people on the system? Fund education and stop being obstructionist.

It's hilarious how people think FOX NEWS has such influence. If that was so Obama wouldn't have gotten in last time right? lmao

Just coz you get all your news from one place (probably Bill Mahre) doesn't mean that informed people do :D

Enough here. I'm going to play my game now :P[/quote]

you're spouting it like you're reading it from the teleprompter.

I don't watch any news, I read it and if it sounds fishy I look further, which it typically does.

You probably still believe in the $16 muffin...


Iran isn't capable of producing weapons grade nuclear material currently, get your panties out of a twist.

Whoa, whoa, whoa!

So you agree that our current government is full of nothing but dogs that should be tried for treason, yet you believe that a current candidate is worth supporting over another?

This logic... I don't even.

There is NO difference between the parties, anyone who believes that one side or the other is actually working in your interests, or is going to "save" the country is a damn fool.

This country will be "saved" when the people finally decide to save it themselves.

That's true, weak willed people make me sick. :/

I still hold the policy that the rights of a few are outweighed by the rights of the many.

Companies shouldn't have rights to begin with though, which would have stomped this outright.

To be fair the people are pretty divided even without a Republican or Democratic party leading the charge.

What would be considered "saving" is drastically different based on who you ask. Some people would like to see the US become a theocracy, a communist state, a fascist dictatorship, a direct democracy or even a client state to corporate interests.

Which way do we go? We can't even agree on simple things like reproductive rights - a relatively private issue.

you do know for the most part they are talking about nuclear reactors/power and not nuclear weapons right?

fearmongering as led the media into talks about the possiblity of iran making nuclear weapons out of the excess ingrediants from their nuclear reactors.

which isn't/ hasn't happened. Iran are people too, they have cities just like the rest of us, don't they deserve to have a chance at modern technology?

what makes you more scared of iran than north korea or china, or any other nation? you really need to learn how to be objective.

You all are scary.

Who cares if Iran has nukes?

Are they going to nuke Isreal? Forcing the U.S. to then vaporize them in response?

The leaders of Iran lead rich, comfortable lives, why exactly would they act in a way that would risk that?

Inb4 Muslims. Those guys are the same as christian leaders, they dont give a damn about religion other than it is a perfect way for them to control their people.

most people are outright scared of nuclear technology and don't understand the differences, and label it all bad.

The level of enrichment needed for power pales in comparison for weapons grade. "using excess" just isn't really feasible, sure they could use spent fuel in like cannon shells, we do already.

But it won't give the same effect.

Scary? Do elaborate.

I could make the same sweeping generalization of today's mainstream Republican party but it makes for rather boring conversation.

I would disagree on that, and Iran would be great if they had a regime change.


why? because we don't gobble up the conservative propaganda you so easily assimilated?