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By Tottoro 2011-06-30 10:51:30
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sorry, can't resist it anymore.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-06-30 10:53:20
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Siren.Inuyushi said:
Ramuh.Vinvv said:
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Ramuh.Vinvv said:

Did I mention religion anywhere in what I said? I was just using the definition of Selfish. You can take it as my opinion on the matter (but is not every post everyone's opinion). To answer the question, no I do not believe those two are exclusive concepts.

Edit: Page 15!
Did I say you did?

Eh it came accross that way
Didn't mean for it to.
This topic has a lot to do with religion, asking your opinion on something that is entirely on-topic isn't all that outrageous.
But anywhoo, I didn't assume that you were defending religion specifically, I just wanted to know your position on what we were talking about rather than chatting about you giving me a refresher on definitions that I already know, as I didn't mention anything about being selfish in that one post or being selfless.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2011-06-30 10:53:51
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Shiva.Flionheart said:
You know what's nasty? Egg mcmuffins.

Amen brother
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By Cerberus.Irishlass 2011-06-30 10:55:37
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I just am offended that if I ever want to donate anything being an atheist I'm going to be judged as trying to get something out of it rather than helping just to help.
It's rather insulting

If you care about what people think about you when you donate then you shuld not donate at all. It's not about what you look like to others it's about how you feel inside when you help others. If you are offended by people judging you then thats your problem.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-06-30 10:56:43
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Cerberus.Irishlass said:
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I just am offended that if I ever want to donate anything being an atheist I'm going to be judged as trying to get something out of it rather than helping just to help.
It's rather insulting

If you care about what people think about you when you donate then you shuld not donate at all. It's not about what you look like to others it's about how you feel inside when you help others. If you are offended by people judging you then thats your problem.
irishlass misses the point as per usual.
i'll give you a real reply in a bit, i'm a bit busy atm.
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By Phoenix.Neosutra 2011-06-30 10:57:51
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Ifrit.Daemun said:
This is where you assume, and incorrectly I may add.

I do apply it to every aspect of my life. Since we have little understanding of the grand scheme (ie. science falls short at this moment) my belief is that there is a greater being that has set this into motion and keeps it from falling to chaos. Reactions in experiments are quite unstable, as you probably know. It is with our hand we keep them controlled. We have neither the knowledge or the power to do so with larger things (creation of the universe, planetary collision, general earth functions [earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, jet stream, etc]) so why would it not be so that there is a being powerful and knowledgeable enough to do so?

Oh ok, it's mostly ignorance on your part then (I don't mean that as an insult, but I know you'll take it that way).

By ignorance on your party I mean:

We actually have a pretty damned good idea (based on evidence, observation, mathematical models, and reproducible peer reviewed experiments) on pretty much everything you stated:

We understand how stars form from hydrogen (and how hydrogen forms from bosons/leptons/etc).

We understand how stars create heavy elements in their core during fusion.

We understand how those heavy elements get sent into outer areas of each solar system once a start supernovas and reforms, causing the development of orbiting heavy elemental rings, and eventually planets.

We understand how heavy element planets in the right distance on the orbital paths provide breeding grounds for complex molecular development.

We understand how base chemicals form into amino acids. How amino acids form into proteins, how proteins form into complex life.

We understand how complex life forms into more complex life over time.

Basically, everything you've mentioned we have a pretty damn good understanding of (not to say we can't get a better understanding). It's FAR FAR FAR from as ambiguous and unknown as you're attempting to broadcast.

Furthermore, while we may still be guessing about what happened in the .003 seconds we can't yet reconcile with our current knowledge, I can point you to about half a dozen PLAUSIBLE theories that are based on math, reason, observation, and evidence. At no point in any of these observations (due to the way relativity works, we can actually *** SEE into the past and see all of this stuff happening, we're not *** guessing here) do we ever find a need for a god, or even a suggestion.

I repeat: There is NOTHING in our universe that requires a god. Volcanoes do not errupt because some being is farting really hard under the surface. The sun doesn't provide heat because Xeno the 4th is using his microwave. It isn't raining because Zeus is crying. It's ludicrous.

The only place god comes into any of this is humanity's imagination, when describing phenomena they didn't understand, back when they were ignorant sand people. "God" has been sustained as a belief simply because it's a social virus, and nothing more.
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By Cerberus.Irishlass 2011-06-30 10:58:06
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Your point is creepy to me I cant help that you do not understand my view.
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By Siren.Inuyushi 2011-06-30 11:00:15
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@Neo - you know you never answered the question about who the chick is in your profile pic. I'm rather curious!
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-06-30 11:00:30
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Cerberus.Irishlass said:
Your point is creepy to me I cant help that you do not understand my view.
You're creepy.
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By Phoenix.Neosutra 2011-06-30 11:03:14
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Siren.Inuyushi said:
@Neo - you know you never answered the question about who the chick is in your profile pic. I'm rather curious!

My wife and I's 3some partner. (One of the good things about being an atheist.. we get to have all the kinky sex we want).
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-06-30 11:03:52
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Cerberus.Irishlass said:
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I just am offended that if I ever want to donate anything being an atheist I'm going to be judged as trying to get something out of it rather than helping just to help.
It's rather insulting

If you care about what people think about you when you donate then you shuld not donate at all. It's not about what you look like to others it's about how you feel inside when you help others. If you are offended by people judging you then thats your problem.
Who said I care about what people think about "when" I donate.
If you don't think about how the world see's you when you do something I'd say you're more self-absorbed than I would ever be donating and being aware that people are thinking that I have ulterior motives.
I.E. lack-of-self-awareness.
Regardless of the thoughts of ulterior motives.
If I help someone it's going to be to help them first and foremost, everything else is secondary.
If you can't understand that and insist that my practices MUST be black and white because the human mind is SOOOOO simple, we aren't really going to go anywhere else with this type of talk.
God forbid I have insecurities and try to help people I'd be such a bad person if I do it!
I was honestly offended with what Daeumun said without elaboration. But you see the difference between getting offended and getting pissy and getting offended and taking the problem head on like I did as you see I'm not offended.
It's not like getting offended when someone treats you disrespectfully removes the ability to help others lol.
I think you shouldn't donate to charity if you encourage others not to just because they care about what people think.
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Ifrit.Daemun said:
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If you have to make a big deal about blocking someone you're doing it wrong.
I would make a joke about quoting everything you type now so those that blocked you would still see it.

1. I'm not that cynical.

2. I'd just end up blocked myself.

I'm half tempted to do it myself.

/devious grin

Who blocks Flion? I can only assume dullards with no sense of humor.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-06-30 11:38:30
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zahrah said:
Ifrit.Daemun said:
Shiva.Flionheart said:
If you have to make a big deal about blocking someone you're doing it wrong.
I would make a joke about quoting everything you type now so those that blocked you would still see it.

1. I'm not that cynical.

2. I'd just end up blocked myself.

I'm half tempted to do it myself.

/devious grin

Who blocks Flion? I can only assume dullards with no sense of humor.
I would, we never really say anything of worth to each other.
:D
Flion and Humor?
definite antonyms.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2011-06-30 11:42:19
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Wtf you guys jumped ahead a few pages while I was asleep @.@
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-06-30 11:42:58
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Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said:
Wtf you guys jumped ahead a few pages while I was asleep @.@
Magical time dilation!
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-06-30 11:43:16
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Ramuh.Vinvv said:
zahrah said:
Ifrit.Daemun said:
Shiva.Flionheart said:
If you have to make a big deal about blocking someone you're doing it wrong.
I would make a joke about quoting everything you type now so those that blocked you would still see it.

1. I'm not that cynical.

2. I'd just end up blocked myself.

I'm half tempted to do it myself.

/devious grin

Who blocks Flion? I can only assume dullards with no sense of humor.
I would, we never really say anything of worth to each other.
:D
Flion and Humor?
definite antonyms.

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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2011-06-30 11:44:18
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Ramuh.Vinvv said:
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said:
Wtf you guys jumped ahead a few pages while I was asleep @.@
Magical time dilation!

More like "forget to set alarm and sleep till noon!"
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2011-06-30 11:50:56
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Carbuncle.Lynxblade said:
@Vinvv, im not talking about single person accomplishments, im talking about atheist as a whole, and also you can list all of that stuff atheist have accomplished, but religion has still accomplished alot more

Like what?

Citation needed.

Etc, etc.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2011-06-30 11:51:50
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Carbuncle.Lynxblade said:
Shiva.Xellith said:
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@Vinvv, im not talking about single person accomplishments, im talking about atheist as a whole, and also you can list all of that stuff atheist have accomplished, but religion has still accomplished alot more

Name me one thing religion has accomplished.

I see alot of religious charity groups that help out people(even though some are probably corrupt). I don't see any (or at least probably not that many) groups of atheist people helping out the needy.

BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2011-06-30 11:53:06
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Ifrit.Daemun said:
Ramuh.Vinvv said:
Carbuncle.Lynxblade said:
Shiva.Xellith said:
Carbuncle.Lynxblade said:
@Vinvv, im not talking about single person accomplishments, im talking about atheist as a whole, and also you can list all of that stuff atheist have accomplished, but religion has still accomplished alot more

Name me one thing religion has accomplished.

I see alot of religious charity groups that help out people(even though some are probably corrupt). I don't see any (or at least probably not that many) groups of atheist people helping out the needy.
Lets see
Robert Wilson, Warren Buffet, Bill Gates

Those aren't groups, those are rich people looking to lessen their tax burden.

And again, LMFAO
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2011-06-30 11:55:34
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Ifrit.Daemun said:

The difference here, is he stands to have personal gain by being charitable.

Let's see all of the bonuses to charitable giving for Mr. Gates.

1. He lowers his taxes (a good thing when you have his level of income
2. He looks good in the public eye.
3. Because of 2, he stands to have an increase in sales as the public opinion of his company is a direct reflection of their opinion of him.

So, effectively, by charitable giving Bill has lowered expenses, and raised income. Yeah, I could see why religious or not, he would do this.

I for one believe it is quite possible for a non religious person to be charitable. My beef is their motivation. I don't think any non religious person can be charitable without the motivation of a personal gain. The true tenant of Christian giving is that it is supposed to be done with a humble heart, expecting to receive nothing from the act. Most professed Christians still give in the Gates sense, doing it for a reward of some kind. The actions of few do not reflect the actions of all, however.

Okay, I think at this point I should start ignoring your posts.

Bill Gates is probably the biggest humanitarian in the world and ultimately basically all his damn money ends up helping the world. When he dies, it becomes a self sustaining charity fund.

But no, he must be doing it for the tax breaks.

I swear, you're hysterical.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2011-06-30 11:56:35
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Shiva.Nikolce said:
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said:
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I've already been insulted on here for saying that I would like to have my children baptized.
I christened my kids just to cover my *** in unlikely event that it's actually a prerequisite to get into a heaven I don't believe exists.
Pascal! Problem is an all knowing deity would know you just did it to cover your ***. Or, if you die and apparently some obscure, Christian hating religion had it right where the god eats you for baptizing the kid. There's no winning. Way too many variables @.@

Sure there is, just ask Charlie Sheen.

I christened my kids without their knowledge or consent so they are totally in the clear should some wrathfull diety be angered by my actions he/she/it will just have to take it up with me.

Do you think a wrathful, omnipotent deity would care?
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By Sylph.Systematicchaos 2011-06-30 11:58:42
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Holy ***that's a lot of posts...
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I have a great deal of respect for my best friend who happens to be religious, and understands my stance on religion. But what really separates him from others (from what I've seen from majorities), is that he takes it to a personal level, and a personal level only.
For example, because he is Jewish, he is forbidden from eating pork; yet he absolutely loves bacon and takes no hesitation to eat it. His reason? Because his decision to eat pork is between him and God, and if he is going to be judged over the type of food he eats, then so be it; nobody else has to be involved or even question it.

I'm only giving a small example, but to keep something like that only within your personal life and not based on doing what others say or human judgement is incredible.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2011-06-30 12:04:19
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Inuyushi, I'm genuinely curious about what I asked before, if you have some time to answer it.

Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said:
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Why is it "our opinion" to call someone who talks to an imaginary friend and believes in magic "crazy".

What's your definition of crazy?

Actually I don't believe in magic D: I take offense to you calling it that tbh. Also glad to know you dont have me blocked! :o

May I just ask why you take offense?

I feel as though people, for some reason, view anything negative towards religion as offensive.

To quote Richard Dawkins "If you say anything negative about religion at all it tends to be heard as strident or shrill because it is so unexpected... We've all be brought up to respect religion, you're not allowed to say anything bad about religion; it's a bit like criticizing somebody's face, to say criticize their religion. I don't think it should be like that. It is, after all, just an opinion about the cosmos, about life, about morality, about values. These are things which should be up for argument, up for discussion; honest, robust discussion and not turned away by a protest of "Oh, you've offended me, you mustn't criticize my religion". If you do criticize somebody's religion I'm afraid it does sound aggressive, much more aggressive than it really is."
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2011-06-30 12:20:00
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Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said:
Do you think a wrathful, omnipotent deity would care?

He might be trying to kill me right now in a different dimension...
/tin foil hat

Santa Claus is real.

I'll explain in a little bit. I just lol'd at my own joke and gave myself away that I am not actually working.
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By Siren.Inuyushi 2011-06-30 12:20:23
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@Xueye - Im responding because you asked ever so nicely and spelled my name right lol. I take it offensive because in Christianity 'Magic' is seen as evil and should be avoided at all costs. These are of course the Dark Arts that it is in reference to. I guess you could say that you calling it magic in the form that has been defined by Neo (i think) is fine as it is your opinion. Now don't castrate me for linking to reference in the bible. If you don't want to read it dont go there. I'm not forcing anyone.

Revelations 21:8

That's my reasoning, whenever I hear magic I think of the Dark Arts, witchcraft, etc. When Neo says magic he's refering to that and more. So yea I kinda take offense to it. I, by no means, dont think you are not allowed to say anything negative about religion.

...Heck alot has been said negative about religion in these forums and atheism, just more of the prior than the latter imho. Just look at all that Neo has said.
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So do yo believe in Magic Inuyushi?
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