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 Bismarck.Rharmony
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By Bismarck.Rharmony 2011-11-03 03:50:02
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So.. Got the Origin is not installed error.. Reinstalled origin now it's stuck in a update loop. Says theres a new update, then when it downloads the update it says it's already installed would I like to reinstall, and no matter what it always says theres an update. Tried everything I could find online, even called EA support. :/ Have to wait until a supervisor calls me.
By volkom 2011-11-03 04:24:25
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I think you broke it. or missing something
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By Bismarck.Rharmony 2011-11-03 04:30:16
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It's a known error... but only the supervisors know how to fix it. Why the hell wouldn't you tell your employees how to fix it?
By volkom 2011-11-03 04:39:41
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cuz maybe it requires a special way of doing things, and they don't want their employee's screwing up and you losing data on your machine?
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By Bismarck.Rharmony 2011-11-03 04:42:29
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I don't wanna hear your logic D<
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By slipispsycho 2011-11-03 05:14:59
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Sylph.Allyha said: »
Never knew there was a diff between bf2 and bf2:mc lol
MC was the first battlefield game I ever played :3
MC was a console-only spinoff of the series. BF2 (at least the one everyone's always talking about) is PC only.

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Have you tried using the beam scan upgrade? It makes your lock on time almost nothing. I used to only use the gat even after I unlocked heat seekers until I equipped beam scan on a whim. I definitely still use the gun more, but it's definitely an added bonus in an otherwise useless slot imo. Working on my third service star for the Jet now.
Don't have it yet, I still got that and one other thing to unlock on the jets, I just got the laser guided missiles last night. The enemy team was getting so angry with me last night <.< it was an air map only server, and it started off with maybe 1 person on the enemy team having stingers equipped, by the time I quit playing, every time I dropped low I was being locked onto by multiple stingers, and the enemy jets would stick close to the runway so they could get me as soon as I took off.

Bahamut.Zellc said: »
starting to explore the wonderful world of recon/long range riffles. was wondering if there are any ones i should use more than any other. i just unlocked sv98 or something and it seems to be really strong, but its not semi-auto. should i be using it anyway?
also is it possible to adjust our zoom? or are we stuck with whatever range is on the optics?

The bolt-action rifles are the best, at least for real sniping, but you gotta learn to use the long range scopes and adjust for bullet travel and drop, you really need to focus on nailing the headshot every time. It's not very often someone gets shot in the chest from a sniper and have half or more of their health instantly disappear and they stick around in the open for you to make a second shot. One and done. I prefer the 12x scope, I got used to it in beta, I was having a blast nailing headshots left and right and the 12x scope made it a lot easier for me to do than any of the others. I keep the bi-pod on my SV, I like to make the really long range shots and it's not so easy to line it up with the 'scope shaking', my mouse isn't the greatest and even with the breathing it's not enough time for me to get the aim right.

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So.. Got the Origin is not installed error.. Reinstalled origin now it's stuck in a update loop. Says theres a new update, then when it downloads the update it says it's already installed would I like to reinstall, and no matter what it always says theres an update. Tried everything I could find online, even called EA support. :/ Have to wait until a supervisor calls me.

You mean Origin itself is messed up, or when you try to play BF3 you get some type of installation error? I was getting the install error when I tried to play BF3 after I first installed it, what fixed it for me was right clicking on BF3 in Origin and selecting repair install.
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By Siren.Clinpachi 2011-11-03 05:15:08
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Have you guys ever tried the co-op missions @_@ jesus mary mother of god some of those are extremely hard even on normal settings.

We got stuck on the hostage situation one, too much timing and my friends connection kept screwing us a little bit sometimes.

Going to try it again tomorrow. Fire from the sky was really fun though.
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By Bismarck.Rharmony 2011-11-03 05:53:22
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When I would go to join a server, it would try to load the game, then origin would pop up saying "Error: Origin is not installed and is required to run this game." Looked some stuff up online, and I know what caused that error and how to avoid getting it again. The problem now is that Origin itself keeps saying there is an update, but there really isn't. When it downloads it, it's the version it's already at. So it asks me if I want to re-install that... if I say yes, then restart origin same thing. If I say no, then origin closes.
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By slipispsycho 2011-11-03 05:59:01
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That sucks =/ I don't get why they decided to add in Origin and Battlelog and all that ***.. All the previous PC BFs didn't have it and they worked just fine.
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By Bismarck.Rharmony 2011-11-03 06:11:41
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Because they want to compete with steam.
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By Lakshmi.Rearden 2011-11-03 06:13:54
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I remember when steam launched and you had to play CS through it and it sucked and everyone was like WTF steam.
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By Bismarck.Rharmony 2011-11-03 06:48:13
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Finally. Jesus. Got a real update for origin this time and it finally worked.

Edit: Spoke too soon. Now getting error 114 on BF3 when trying to update it.
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By slipispsycho 2011-11-03 06:53:34
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Try what I said above, right click on BF3 in Origin and select repair install.
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By Bismarck.Rharmony 2011-11-03 06:54:32
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Tried that, gave same error. Ended up just uninstalling. Gonna go pass out and let it download

Also, if anyone wants to add me, my Origin ID is now Zombie_Freya
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By slipispsycho 2011-11-03 12:02:44
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Unlocked everything for jet (my preferred set-up is still Air Radar, Extinguisher and Rocket Pods) and got my first service star for it.
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By Siren.Clinpachi 2011-11-03 17:11:42
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Psycho Slip said: »
Unlocked everything for jet (my preferred set-up is still Air Radar, Extinguisher and Rocket Pods) and got my first service star for it.
I can't do without IR flares :( Once someone launches at me or locks on, i flare out and dip below the hard deck making it near impossible to get a second shot off before flare are back up. It takes major skill to fly that low to the ground though and avoid trees, mountains or whatever might be sticking out of the ground.

I might stick with Heat Seekers and guns as well... i haven't unlocked guided missiles yet, anxious to give those a run on a tank or two.

I do love jets though... so fun >_>
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By Bahamut.Zellc 2011-11-03 17:23:29
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i find it hard to choose. i just unlocked the straight bolt for sv98 and its awesome, but i really like the stability of the bi-pod. going to have to pick one or the other based on the map im playing on i guess. but im leaning more toward the bi-pod.

when it comes to scopes, i go with the x12 zoom ballistic. the other ones have the scale in the way and tend to bother me. though i should get use to them, i think the scale thing will help me learn more about the bullet drop when at greater distances.

and on that note i wish there was a firing range feature for the game so i can practice my long range snipes
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By slipispsycho 2011-11-03 17:32:00
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I don't dive low when there's a lock on, I go straight up and using knowledge (of where the missile was fired relative to me, mostly altitude) mixed with a bit of instinct, and when it gets 'close' start looping back down (try playing around with it, it sounds harder than ti really is) burning the afterburners the whole time. I try to stay ahead of the missile until 'it gives up' (after awhile they lose lock or just explode or something, I'm not sure what I can't really look back).

From my experience, diving low on a lock is a really bad idea, not just because of terrain, but because you almost never get away from the missile. I've gotten to where despite locks and missiles coming at me I can stay in the air for quite a long time. The reason I prefer extinguishers is because more times then not, you're hit by one missile which disables you and your plane starts dying off, the flares can prevent a missile, one, from hitting you, but after that you're on your own and if you get hit, you're just kinda ***. You can man up and try to take something down before you blow up, or bail out. But with the extinguisher, you can put out that fire and fly around while your plane repairs itself, then in 10-20 seconds or however long it is, you can be ready to put out another fire.

I don't like the heat seekers, using the beam scanning takes away Air Radar which is very valuable to me, cuz I can see when a plane is trying to line up on me, and otherwise they just take too long to lock on. I use the rocket pods so I can more effectively engage ground targets, tanks are especially exposed to a well lined rocket launch (the whole 14 in one go, they're usually just sitting there and by the time the first rocket hits it's too late for them to get out of the way of the next 13, it's an instant vehicle disable even if they're at full health) and nothing excites me more then when there's an AA vehicle thinking it's getting lucky and I'm just making it easy for him and then he gets nailed with 14 rockets. I can almost imagine the voice in their head "Oh look at this dumb son of a ***, C'mon guy, at least give me a challe.... WTF IS GOING ON?!"

I haven't played with Guided Missiles yet.
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By Bismarck.Dreadnot 2011-11-03 17:38:12
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Bahamut.Zellc said: »
i find it hard to choose. i just unlocked the straight bolt for sv98 and its awesome, but i really like the stability of the bi-pod. going to have to pick one or the other based on the map im playing on i guess. but im leaning more toward the bi-pod.

when it comes to scopes, i go with the x12 zoom ballistic. the other ones have the scale in the way and tend to bother me. though i should get use to them, i think the scale thing will help me learn more about the bullet drop when at greater distances.

and on that note i wish there was a firing range feature for the game so i can practice my long range snipes

If you need to go mobile like in Bazaar, Seine Crossing, Damavand Peak, and some parts of Canals; then the straight bolt is the way to go with an 8x or lower scope.

On larger maps where you can sit back and see people at range the bipod and 12x is amazing.

The scale system on the scopes sadly isn't matched to what I shoot with IRL but it does help. On Conquest maps you can use the distance number on the objective flag to gauge how far a target is.
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By Odin.Tsuneo 2011-11-03 17:43:44
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I'm ridiculously tired of jets. I've unlocked flares and heat seekers, but neither is doing me any good because I always have someone behind me that I can't get away from.
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By slipispsycho 2011-11-03 17:49:33
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I have two sniper rifle set ups.

SV98 - Bi-pod, 12x Scope
SKS - Suppressor, Foregrip and Either 4x scope or IRNV

SV98 is for mostly stationary, long-rage engagements, or where precision is demanded. SKS is for more close quarters combat, like Bazaar, Seine or Damavand. The SKS setup is probably the best custom weapon setup I've made yet. It's got a very nice magazine size, it has very good accuracy and it has pretty decent damage. When you're using it on the front lines like everyone else is using assault rifles, PDWs and LMGs you have a hell of an advantage. While their barrels are jumping all over the place, a couple of quick body or head shots and they're down. The suppressor keeps them or their friends from knowing where you are without spotting you directly. Since it's only intended for short-medium range engagements, what accuracy you lose from the suppressor is mostly compensated for by the foregrip.
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By Siren.Clinpachi 2011-11-03 17:53:58
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Odin.Tsuneo said: »
I'm ridiculously tired of jets. I've unlocked flares and heat seekers, but neither is doing me any good because I always have someone behind me that I can't get away from.
Air radar really helps with that, or in some cases if you hear the lock on sound or see a bullet wiz past you, it's probably time to break off and lower speed with a high turn to see if you can get around him. Switch to third person to get a slightly better view as you come around to see if hes trying to circle too.

It's a giant game of cat and mouse with dogfights... sometimes i find me and an opponent constantly circling for like 3-4 minutes straight before someone makes a mistake in speed.

Also what really helps me as i mentioned before... go low... so low to the deck that your shadow is right under you. Give that a shot while turning.. half the time they break off thinking you either A) went down... or B) they didn't see you go that low and you disappear off radar.. it really confuses the ***out of people.
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By slipispsycho 2011-11-03 17:56:32
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Odin.Tsuneo said: »
I'm ridiculously tired of jets. I've unlocked flares and heat seekers, but neither is doing me any good because I always have someone behind me that I can't get away from.
Fly straight up, once you hit the ceiling and you both stall you can get away quickly and then turn around and start looking for them. Repeat as necessary. Also a mixture of loops, turns and twirls while using both afterburners and total deceleration will help. For them to stay on your ***, they have to mimic all of your movements nearly exactly.. The sharper and quicker you can turn and the more you can do to surprise and throw them off following your movements, the better.

Higher is always better.. When I jump in a jet the very first thing I do is go straight up to 700-800 feet then level out and head towards the battlefield and start scanning below me for targets. Always flying low is the first mistake many new pilots make. New pilots tend to have this 'need' to stay low and stick to 'familiar territory' but at that point you're becoming prey, soar above everything like an eagle and spot your targets and dive in for the chase/kill. If you've lost your target, get back up to altitude and try again. Don't stay low desperately trying to get back on his tail.
By volkom 2011-11-03 17:59:07
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Competing with steam is pointless if you're just selling games from one publisher. It would be like going to best buy and only being able to buy Toshiba electronics. It just wouldn't work. I think eventually they'll have more game options to choose from
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By Siren.Clinpachi 2011-11-03 18:01:09
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Psycho Slip said: »
Higher is always better.. When I jump in a jet the very first thing I do is go straight up to 700-800 feet then level out and head towards the battlefield and start scanning below me for targets. Always flying low is the first mistake many new pilots make. New pilots tend to have this 'need' to stay low and stick to 'familiar territory' but at that point you're becoming prey, soar above everything like an eagle and spot your targets and dive in for the chase/kill. If you've lost your target, get back up to altitude and try again. Don't stay low desperately trying to get back on his tail.

I have to actually disagree with this because you drop off radar when you go low. If you can handle not crashing into trees, moutains or whatever fencepost sticks out of the ground, 99% of people can't hang with me at low altitude. But i do agree with your afterburner/deceleration strat. They have to mimic everything you do to hang with you period, which is half the reason i like going low, i had 3 people try to follow me in a game last night who instantly crashed into a tree or lost control.

I don't like stalling out high up to the point where your floating around for 3-5 seconds with no control... but you know both sound like solid strategies.
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By Lakshmi.Alfredo 2011-11-03 18:04:21
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This is the kind of setup i'd like to try !


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By Bismarck.Dreadnot 2011-11-03 18:05:05
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Psycho Slip said: »
I have two sniper rifle set ups.

SV98 - Bi-pod, 12x Scope
SKS - Suppressor, Foregrip and Either 4x scope or IRNV

I haven't gone prone to snipe in a few days. I've been 100% mobile recon with MAV, Spawn beacon and UMP.

I tried to use the sks.. for like 10 min.s and switched. The way the gun looked/felt without a scope really irked me. I think I'll give it another try though because I have been rocked a few times by recons with it.

I took out a lot of time to build up a nice set for the UMP. Almost at the IRV but the gun is so weak at the moment I may stop using it until the patch and try out the sks with the same setup you use.
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By slipispsycho 2011-11-03 18:07:22
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That's only if there's someone on your *** you can't shake, but I noticed we have different strategies for the most part. I don't disagree with your advice, just say that it's not my preference. They're different play styles. Maybe it's different on console, but on PC the main thing you really have to worry about when there's a jet on your *** is the guns, and flying low won't save you from that, you may not just pop up on their radar, but they don't have a lot of problems finding you. Hugging the terrain was my first strategy, I used it a lot in BF2, but it wasn't working so well here, so I checked around on youtube videos to see the things other pilots were doing, and took a few pages from their book. Once I followed their lead, it didn't take me long at all to unlock everything from the jet and routinely become the best jet of the match.. Even took MVP 2 in one of the last matches I played.
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Siren.Clinpachi said: »
Psycho Slip said: »
Higher is always better.. When I jump in a jet the very first thing I do is go straight up to 700-800 feet then level out and head towards the battlefield and start scanning below me for targets. Always flying low is the first mistake many new pilots make. New pilots tend to have this 'need' to stay low and stick to 'familiar territory' but at that point you're becoming prey, soar above everything like an eagle and spot your targets and dive in for the chase/kill. If you've lost your target, get back up to altitude and try again. Don't stay low desperately trying to get back on his tail.

I have to actually disagree with this because you drop off radar when you go low. If you can handle not crashing into trees, moutains or whatever fencepost sticks out of the ground, 99% of people can't hang with me at low altitude. But i do agree with your afterburner/deceleration strat. They have to mimic everything you do to hang with you period, which is half the reason i like going low, i had 3 people try to follow me in a game last night who instantly crashed into a tree or lost control.

I don't like stalling out high up to the point where your floating around for 3-5 seconds with no control... but you know both sound like solid strategies.

going low is both good and bad. Usually if you hug the terrain you are harder to spot and its hard for anyone from the ground to lock onto you with an AA weapon but also it limits your ability to actively pick a target and destroy it because you got to have altitude to setup for an attack run. Also if someone is smart enough they won't follow close along the ground chasing you. They should be at a higher altitude locking onto you or firing their gun.

the problem with a high altitude approach is that, sure you can see everything and pick and choose which targets you want to go after. Also you're able to see other flying aircraft. However that means everyone else on the ground can see you and that makes you vulnerable.

So a good combination of both high and low altitude approaches is required if you want to live forever while being in the air. Go high for attack runs and escape by afterburning and going low or do some aerial acrobats and gtfo
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By slipispsycho 2011-11-03 18:13:29
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Bismarck.Dreadnot said: »
Psycho Slip said: »
I have two sniper rifle set ups.

SV98 - Bi-pod, 12x Scope
SKS - Suppressor, Foregrip and Either 4x scope or IRNV

I haven't gone prone to snipe in a few days. I've been 100% mobile recon with MAV, Spawn beacon and UMP.

I tried to use the sks.. for like 10 min.s and switched. The way the gun looked/felt without a scope really irked me. I think I'll give it another try though because I have been rocked a few times by recons with it.

I took out a lot of time to build up a nice set for the UMP. Almost at the IRV but the gun is so weak at the moment I may stop using it until the patch and try out the sks with the same setup you use.
It's not just the setup but the mindset/attitude with it. Keep your cross hairs/scope up unless you're sprinting to cover or something, move slow, but be aggressive, you can easily push deeper and deeper into enemy territory. Just today on Seine the map was locked down with a side owned by each and heavy fighting over the bridges, I just crouched and kept at the ready and anytime an enemy presented itself took it down, I was the one to breach defenses and finally push through into their territory and take the flag, we still lost, we were at like 90 tickets compared to their 200+ (too little too late I guess?) but despite what everyone was using, and the route I took heavily trafficked, I still pushed through. It took me a while to get used to the feel of it, but after I did, I'm almost kinda stuck locked into this setup.
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