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Job Adjustments (4/21/11)
 Phoenix.Degs
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By Phoenix.Degs 2011-04-22 11:37:24
Odin.Zicdeh said: Bloodrose said: If played correctly, Dark Knight is still a very deadly job, and I'm already pumping out some serious numbers with Torcleaver in my current set up:
[Really bad setup]
This is why DRK can't have nice things. 
By Bloodrose 2011-04-22 11:37:55
bad set up or not, it's still putting out 3-4k torc's for a 60% vit mod WS, which sadly will be a far cry from on par with Ukko's Fury
Ragnarok.Ashman
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2011-04-22 11:40:33
Odin.Zicdeh said: Bloodrose said: If played correctly, Dark Knight is still a very deadly job, and I'm already pumping out some serious numbers with Torcleaver in my current set up: [Really bad setup] This is why DRK can't have nice things.
Don't know if troll.....
I love how he put "(let the flaming begin)".
Bismark.Bloodrose said: Guys, I acknowledge that this is a stupid gear choice. I have no reason to do it aside from sentimentality, or showing off gear that was (somehow) difficult for me to obtain. I will continue to use, said bad gear, regardless of whom tells me in 1000 ways it is inferior."
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2011-04-22 11:41:43
Bloodrose said: bad set up or not, it's still putting out 3-4k torc's for a 60% vit mod WS, which sadly will be a far cry from on par with Ukko's Fury
Torcleaver is a pretty braindead WS to gear for, and always strong if you don't have an attack problem.
What you need to work on, is a changing the TP phase so that you can do said 3-4k Torcleavers more often...
Also, Snowbelt/Gorget. STR does literally nothing for Torcleaver.
Quetzalcoatl.Volkom
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By Quetzalcoatl.Volkom 2011-04-22 11:41:56
I think he's using sneak attack with pure vit atmas
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2011-04-22 11:44:01
Bloodrose said: bad set up or not, it's still putting out 3-4k torc's for a 60% vit mod WS, which sadly will be a far cry from on par with Ukko's Fury
not averages it isn't!
Anguinus or Warwolf for Torcleaverrr unless I'm missing something. Uther's Grip =>
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By Odin.Sheelay 2011-04-22 11:46:17
:o 3 min Last Resort!
DRKs gone wild all over the place! Wait, DKN, my bad
What's with the HP reduction from using SE though? Does it mean it will take in less than 10% of the current HP, therefore deliver less of a punch?
 Carbuncle.Mythikah
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By Carbuncle.Mythikah 2011-04-22 11:46:23
Woo pup finally got some new weapon skills! I'm so psyched for this barrage thing-- condenser + water->wind->wind->wind, anyone? :D
By Bloodrose 2011-04-22 11:47:31
Actually, i do have a full haste build with a 7hit build with DA stacked, using /sam, as for the atmas i use in abyssea, I tend to go with VV/SA, RR, and Alpha/Omega
Outside Abyssea is another matter, where my average WS is still roughly 2.5k-3.2k
Typically i'm going for the Aftermath effect's Occ Deals Double Damage, where my record critical hit is over 2k, and then there's the Bale + 2 set bonus on top of that.
Ifrit.Arawn
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By Ifrit.Arawn 2011-04-22 11:49:07
Souleater will probably do as much damage but take less HP to do it. I dont see them outright nerfing it the higher your level gets.
Phoenix.Degs
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By Phoenix.Degs 2011-04-22 11:51:19
Carbuncle.Mythikah said: Woo pup finally got some new weapon skills! I'm so psyched for this barrage thing-- condenser + water->wind->wind->wind, anyone? :D yea thats what i was thinking too.. plus a meditate for the auto, /sam, tacticle switch.. omg so much fun making things go boom
By Bloodrose 2011-04-22 11:52:42
Oh and by the way... Torcleaver is light affinity, so light belt/gorget works WAY better in combination than a snow gorget/belt (which should be reserved for Herculean Slash)
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2011-04-22 11:53:26
Bloodrose said: Oh and by the way... Torcleaver is light affinity, so light belt/gorget works WAY better in combination than a snow gorget/belt (which should be reserved for Herculean Slash)
Oh boy...
Ragnarok.Ashman
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2011-04-22 11:55:26
Ragnarok.Ashman said: Bismarck.Bloodrose said: Guys, I acknowledge that this is a stupid gear choice. I have no reason to do it aside from sentimentality, or showing off gear that was (somehow) difficult for me to obtain. I will continue to use, said bad gear, regardless of whom tells me in 1000 ways it is inferior." Bismarck.Bloodrose said: Actually, i do have a full haste build with a 7hit build with DA stacked, using /sam, as for the atmas i use in abyssea, I tend to go with VV/SA, RR, and Alpha/Omega Outside Abyssea is another matter, where my average WS is still roughly 2.5k-3.2k Typically i'm going for the Aftermath effect's Occ Deals Double Damage, where my record critical hit is over 2k, and then there's the Bale + 2 set bonus on top of that.
Called it.
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: Oh and by the way... Torcleaver is light affinity, so light belt/gorget works WAY better in combination than a snow gorget/belt (which should be reserved for Herculean Slash)
IE - "I don't know wtf I'm talking about guys :D"
 Bismarck.Maxse
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By Bismarck.Maxse 2011-04-22 11:55:55
Bloodrose said: Oh and by the way... Torcleaver is light affinity, so light belt/gorget works WAY better in combination than a snow gorget/belt (which should be reserved for Herculean Slash)
Since Torcleaver has light and distortion properties.
You can use Light Snow or Water belt/gorget, either way they each add .1 ftp none of them are better than the other.
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By Asura.Ina 2011-04-22 11:59:24
I'm no drk but being a light/distortion you could use any belt/gorget except for shadow and earth no? Light covers light fire wind and lightning, distortion is water and ice... If not then total dum dum moment for me XD
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2011-04-22 12:01:25
I did the math on Torcleaver for Mameshiba awhile back when comparing builds for her, and there's no way your average is that high. I can't remember the exact average figure but it was around the 2k mark, if any Torcleaver users would like to chip in/tell me my math is wrong (which is fine, I'd like to improve it if it is) etc.
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By Asura.Arkanethered 2011-04-22 12:01:52
***we had bandwagon before we became bandwagonable?.....
This should provide much amusement.
Bismarck.Maxse
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By Bismarck.Maxse 2011-04-22 12:02:20
Asura.Ina said: I'm no drk but being a light/distortion you could use any belt/gorget except for shadow and earth no? Light covers light fire wind and lightning, distortion is water and ice... If not then total dum dum moment for me XD
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If a weaponskill has a lvl 3 property, IE Light and Dark. You can only use light and dark for those rather than the 4 elements they encompass. For whatever reason that's how it works.
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By Leviathan.Quetzacoatl 2011-04-22 12:03:19
This couldn't be a better time to be a DRK than now. Grats PUPs and RNGs too, you guys needed the boosts.
Ragnarok.Ashman
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2011-04-22 12:03:48
Bismarck.Maxse said: Asura.Ina said: I'm no drk but being a light/distortion you could use any belt/gorget except for shadow and earth no? Light covers light fire wind and lightning, distortion is water and ice... If not then total dum dum moment for me XD sneak edited... If a weaponskill has a lvl 3 property, IE Light and Dark. You can only use light and dark for those rather than the 4 elements they encompass. For whatever reason that's how it works.
Torcleaver is light/distortion. You can use Light, Snow, or Water. Fire you cannot.
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2011-04-22 12:04:57
Bismarck.Josiahfk said: Bloodrose said: bad set up or not, it's still putting out 3-4k torc's for a 60% vit mod WS, which sadly will be a far cry from on par with Ukko's Fury I've partied with Bloodrose and yeah it was doing decent dmg, 3-4k average would be accurate out of the 300ish torcleavers I saw them do but never examined gear, couldnt tell ya
Interesting - that means I am missing something.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2011-04-22 12:05:41
Bahamut.Raenryong said: I did the math on Torcleaver for Mameshiba awhile back when comparing builds for her, and there's no way your average is that high. I can't remember the exact average figure but it was around the 2k mark, if any Torcleaver users would like to chip in/tell me my math is wrong (which is fine, I'd like to improve it if it is) etc.
Actually, a 3.2k Average is not unexpected, if you're going off a Parse that is, which is taking the mathematical average.
But that's because of things like AoA or AaO Triple attack spikes of upwards of 6,000.
If you're talking just 1hit Torcleavers, 2.2k is about where the average aught to sit.
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By Bismarck.Maxse 2011-04-22 12:06:22
Bahamut.Raenryong said: Bismarck.Josiahfk said: Bloodrose said: bad set up or not, it's still putting out 3-4k torc's for a 60% vit mod WS, which sadly will be a far cry from on par with Ukko's Fury I've partied with Bloodrose and yeah it was doing decent dmg, 3-4k average would be accurate out of the 300ish torcleavers I saw them do but never examined gear, couldnt tell ya
Interesting - that means I am missing something.
You aren't missing anything it was probably on la thiene worms or something stupid easy.
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By Bismarck.Rinomaru 2011-04-22 12:07:03
wtf is DKN? New job????
Hope DRK's dont get jelous
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2011-04-22 12:08:29
Bismarck.Rinomaru said: wtf is DKN? New job????
Hope DRK's dont get jelous
DuKe Nukem, obviously. It's our new job title.
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2011-04-22 12:09:31
Odin.Zicdeh said: Bahamut.Raenryong said: I did the math on Torcleaver for Mameshiba awhile back when comparing builds for her, and there's no way your average is that high. I can't remember the exact average figure but it was around the 2k mark, if any Torcleaver users would like to chip in/tell me my math is wrong (which is fine, I'd like to improve it if it is) etc.
Actually, a 3.2k Average is not unexpected, if you're going off a Parse that is, which is taking the mathematical average.
But that's because of things like AoA or AaO Triple attack spikes of upwards of 6,000.
If you're talking just 1hit Torcleavers, 2.2k is about where the average aught to sit.
Bingo, I think I got something like 2100~ I wish I had it saved, was on old hard drive :(
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2011-04-22 12:12:36
Bahamut.Raenryong said: Odin.Zicdeh said: Bahamut.Raenryong said: I did the math on Torcleaver for Mameshiba awhile back when comparing builds for her, and there's no way your average is that high. I can't remember the exact average figure but it was around the 2k mark, if any Torcleaver users would like to chip in/tell me my math is wrong (which is fine, I'd like to improve it if it is) etc.
Actually, a 3.2k Average is not unexpected, if you're going off a Parse that is, which is taking the mathematical average.
But that's because of things like AoA or AaO Triple attack spikes of upwards of 6,000.
If you're talking just 1hit Torcleavers, 2.2k is about where the average aught to sit.
Bingo, I think I got something like 2100~ I wish I had it saved, was on old hard drive :(
What I like most about Torcleaver though, is, unless you're rocking like, Griffon's Claw or Mounted Champion (Which I never do) the damage discrepency between Abyssea and not-abyssea is less than 15%
As an added bonus, with Last Resort lasting so long, Torcleaver, which can really suffer against High-def Targets, will actually become indirectly more powerful on average. So there's that.
By Bloodrose 2011-04-22 12:13:02
Dhorme Khimairas, Statues, Altepa Dolls, (and yes, the occasional pt in La Theine on worms) but I don't encompasse a single mob as part of my average.
Warwolf Belt would be better by far -in theory- because of the VIT, but take into account a single hit ws is much less accurate than a multi-hit ws, and the STR/VIT/STP gear most others use in place of accuracy, even with various foods. The Food i use, is Hedgehog Pies over Red Curry Buns
They've posted something on the forum but I can't access it at work. Someone help a firewall blocked ffxi addict?
Source
Cerberus.Savannah said: Quote: [dev1010] Job Adjustments
• The forthcoming version update is scheduled to feature the following job adjustments:
• Dark Knight:
-The effect duration of the job ability Last Resort will be increased from 30 to 180 seconds.
• Ranger:
-The recast time of the job ability Bounty Shot will be reduced from 5 minutes to 1 minute, and a successful hit will occasionally enhance the effect of Treasure Hunter.
-The job ability Barrage will launch an additional projectile at level 90.
-Accuracy calculations for Barrage will be eased in proportion to the maximum number of shots.
• Puppetmaster:
The following automaton attachments will be added:
Name Description
Heat Capacitor (A fire-based automaton attachment.)
Functionality: Erases all Fire Maneuver effects to restore TP.
Power Cooler (An ice-based automaton attachment.)
Functionality: Reduces MP cost in proportion to the number of Ice Maneuvers in effect.
Barrage Turbine (A wind-based automaton attachment.)
Functionality: Erases all Wind Maneuver effects to occasionally grant a Barrage effect.
Galvanizer (A lightning-based automaton attachment.)
Functionality: Increases chance of countering in proportion to the number of Thunder Maneuvers in effect.
• The following weapon skills will be added for the Valoredge and Sharpshot frames:
Skill Name - Frame - Effect
String Shredder - Valoredge - Delivers a twofold attack.
Critical hit rate varies with TP.
Armor Shatterer - Sharpshot - Delivers a fourfold attack.
Additional effect: Weakens defense
Additional effect duration varies with TP.
• Job Traits
• The following job traits will be added:
Job Trait Level Obtained* Effect
Tranquil Heart: WHM Lv.21/RDM Lv.26/SCH Lv.30 - Reduces enmity gain when casting healing magic.
Stalwart Soul: DRK Lv.45 - Reduces HP consumption when using Souleater.
Dead Aim: RNG Lv.50 - Improves power of critical hits for ranged attacks.
*The level indicated is that at which the trait will initially be obtained. Trait effectiveness will subsequently increase at higher levels.
• Certain job traits will see their maximum level of effectiveness adjusted by equipment, magic, and/or job abilities.
Other Adjustments
• VIT will play a role in calculating damage taken from critical hits.
• Experience point penalties when KO’d will be eased for characters level 75 and below.
At levels 1–30, the penalty will be removed entirely. At levels 31–75, the amount of XP lost will be lowered
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