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 Cerberus.Zandra
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By Cerberus.Zandra 2011-04-22 09:24:32
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Cerberus.Kvazz said:
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What a GREAT piece of news! The time of the DRK is here AGAIN!

Cerberus.Kvazz said:
/mnk was allways the best sub for zerging if you had 5/5 desperate blows tho <_>

Actually /sam was the best for 2 handers and /drg was the best for 1 handers

What did /sam give you if you had 5/5 desperate blows?
Assuming it's JUST for the zerg, and no need for you before the actual action >_>

it gave you 10% haste after LR ended

Stuff rarely lived that long with proper zergers :P

/Sam lets you zerg with less!
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-04-22 09:25:09
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Cerberus.Kvazz said:
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Gimping crits? Does that mean SAM is back on top? ^^
I'm thinking it's a boost, not a gimp. Probably something like a critdmg+ increase depending on some stat vs the mob's VIT.

I got a feeling it's a gimp, to balance out all the dds that doesnt have crit hit weaponskills.
Well, inside Abyssea it more than likely does jack ***so we can disregard that. Outside Abyssea the noncrit jobs are much better than they are inside Abyssea - SAM is easily in the top three for DDs for instance. There's even been speculation that Masa SAM > Ukon WAR outside Abyssea. DRK got a (very) nice boost here, crit jobs are potentially seeing an increase here. I'm betting SAM gets a new toy this update as well.
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By Cerberus.Tidis 2011-04-22 09:25:15
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Sylph.Xpro said:
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Well RNG and DRK definately needed a buff, nice to see PLD is overlooked again of course.

Yes I am QQ

Look at what is being changed: less hate for mage cure, less dmg on crits, drk becomes overwhelming dd but also will die in 2 hits. What do you think will happen to the hate system?

You will need a PLD there to cure or cover and take hate off drk. THF & NIN tank may not be as effective at keeping hate and even MNK might not be able to keep hate now if u have a DRK there. This update will affect PLD.
You honestly think this update will affect PLD? Mages aren't gonna pull hate thanks to these changes, sure crits will be gimped a bit but your NIN, DNC, THF, MNK, whoever is tanking will still be able to hold hate comfortably and still do damage. PLD is still useless.
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By Cerberus.Zandra 2011-04-22 09:27:00
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Cerberus.Tidis said:
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Well RNG and DRK definately needed a buff, nice to see PLD is overlooked again of course.

Yes I am QQ

Look at what is being changed: less hate for mage cure, less dmg on crits, drk becomes overwhelming dd but also will die in 2 hits. What do you think will happen to the hate system?

You will need a PLD there to cure or cover and take hate off drk. THF & NIN tank may not be as effective at keeping hate and even MNK might not be able to keep hate now if u have a DRK there. This update will affect PLD.
You honestly think this update will affect PLD? Mages aren't gonna pull hate thanks to these changes, sure crits will be gimped a bit but your NIN, DNC, THF, MNK, whoever is tanking will still be able to hold hate comfortably and still do damage. PLD is still useless.

Yeah PLD is still useless, DRK just became the ultimate hate magnet.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Volkom 2011-04-22 09:27:03
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I think the whole gimp-crit thing with VIT is going to affect both players and the monster. so now pld will take less dmg and every crit based ws will turn to crap :D
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-04-22 09:28:08
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Bahamut.Dasva said:
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
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Gimping crits? Does that mean SAM is back on top? ^^
I'm thinking it's a boost, not a gimp. Probably something like a critdmg+ increase depending on some stat vs the mob's VIT.
Sure as long as the mob has really low vit ^^
SE got away from the "make the NM have ridiculously high base stats" trend years ago. I'm betting you'd at least see neutral dVIT values, unless they decide to base it on player VIT as well or something.
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-04-22 09:28:46
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Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Bahamut.Dasva said:
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Gimping crits? Does that mean SAM is back on top? ^^
I'm thinking it's a boost, not a gimp. Probably something like a critdmg+ increase depending on some stat vs the mob's VIT.
Sure as long as the mob has really low vit ^^
SE got away from the "make the NM have ridiculously high base stats" trend years ago. I'm betting you'd at least see neutral dVIT values, unless they decide to base it on player VIT as well or something.
Or nothing at all :)
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-04-22 09:28:53
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Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said:
I think the whole gimp-crit thing with VIT is going to affect both players and the monster. so now pld will take less dmg and every crit based ws will turn to crap :D
Taking less damage on 1% of hits taken sure does make PLD awesome!

So would gimping their best WS, teehee.
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By Titan.Eiryn 2011-04-22 09:32:02
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The only, and I mean ONLY, thing that will make pld a viable tanking option against all the DD out there is if they have the ability to make PLD go above the emnity cap for everyone else. Knowing nothing about computing code, I dont even know if this is something possible in the game as it stands right now.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-04-22 09:33:22
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Titan.Eiryn said:
The only, and I mean ONLY, thing that will make pld a viable tanking option against all the DD out there is if they have the ability to make PLD go above the emnity cap for everyone else. Knowing nothing about computing code, I dont even know if this is something possible in the game as it stands right now.
No, the only thing that would make PLD viable is removing all non-PLD -DT gear and nerfing /NIN.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Volkom 2011-04-22 09:34:41
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Titan.Eiryn said:
The only, and I mean ONLY, thing that will make pld a viable tanking option against all the DD out there is if they have the ability to make PLD go above the emnity cap for everyone else. Knowing nothing about computing code, I dont even know if this is something possible in the game as it stands right now.
just give PLD a provoke like ability that forces the mob to attack the paladin for 3 seconds and each successful hit on the pld raises enemity equivelent of provoke?
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-04-22 09:35:50
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Psh just need more almace/ochain plds
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By Alexander.Mozeexiv 2011-04-22 09:38:02
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They should nerf /NIN, they should have nerfed it a long, long time ago.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Volkom 2011-04-22 09:40:36
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gdi whats wrong with people. 3 jobs get a buff and everyone else ***. wtf
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By Bismarck.Elanabelle 2011-04-22 09:41:07
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I like these updates. It was pretty obvious that DRK and RNG had fallen out of favor (for good reasons), and these updates should definitely increase both the effectiveness and popularity of those jobs.

Well done, S-E.
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2011-04-22 09:42:42
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Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Cerberus.Tidis said:
Gimping crits? Does that mean SAM is back on top? ^^
I'm thinking it's a boost, not a gimp. Probably something like a critdmg+ increase depending on some stat vs the mob's VIT.

I said this 3 pages ago T.T Everyone hates me because I'm drk Q.Q
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2011-04-22 09:44:28
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Bahamut.Dasva said:
Psh just need more almace/ochain plds

Almace isn't nearly as impressive as Ochain is though.
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Titan.Eiryn said:
The only, and I mean ONLY, thing that will make pld a viable tanking option against all the DD out there is if they have the ability to make PLD go above the emnity cap for everyone else. Knowing nothing about computing code, I dont even know if this is something possible in the game as it stands right now.
No, the only thing that would make PLD viable is removing all non-PLD -DT gear and nerfing /NIN.


I have to disagree, since Ochain PLD is as viable as anything already. But viability is a far cry from optimal.
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-04-22 09:45:29
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Odin.Zicdeh said:
Bahamut.Dasva said:
Psh just need more almace/ochain plds
Almace isn't nearly as impressive as Ochain is though.
Yeah but if you aren't do as much dmg might as well get another tank. So make both like a boss
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-04-22 09:47:08
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Odin.Zicdeh said:
Bahamut.Dasva said:
Psh just need more almace/ochain plds

Almace isn't nearly as impressive as Ochain is though.
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Titan.Eiryn said:
The only, and I mean ONLY, thing that will make pld a viable tanking option against all the DD out there is if they have the ability to make PLD go above the emnity cap for everyone else. Knowing nothing about computing code, I dont even know if this is something possible in the game as it stands right now.
No, the only thing that would make PLD viable is removing all non-PLD -DT gear and nerfing /NIN.


I have to disagree, since Ochain PLD is as viable as anything already. But viability is a far cry from optimal.
Ochain makes PLD a safe alternative, but an unnecessary one that doesn't match up as a DD. Removing the things I mentioned eliminates the competition entirely aside from MNK and NIN in situations that favor them (minimal magic damage for MNK, minimal AoEs for NIN).

EDIT: Whether or not this is a good thing is highly debatable.
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By Sylph.Quiznor 2011-04-22 09:47:12
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All jobs except PLD need to get a job trait to take 50%+ more damage 8D
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By Phoenix.Sehachan 2011-04-22 09:49:24
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Holy pup!
Sorry to interrupt the omfgdrk topic, but I'm happy to finally see new attachments and ws~

Also I'm worried about the VIT thing. Reading this thread some people seem certain that it'll turn crit ws to crap...if Stringing Pummel goes down the hole I'll have to level a new solo-job T_T I dun wannaaaaa!!
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By Cerberus.Rayik 2011-04-22 09:50:11
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I am psyched as hell for this update. Been a proud DRK main for going on 4 years.
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By Sylph.Agentblade 2011-04-22 09:51:18
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Sylph.Quiznor said:
All jobs except PLD need to get a job trait to take 50%+ more damage 8D
^This is what im talking about lol
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By Asura.Mahopon 2011-04-22 09:54:12
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I hope that regardless of what these changes do, it helps the game ultimately. No job in the game should be rendered useless. There are lovers of every job, and I hope they will continue to seek an answer to the problems.

I'd really love to see a comeback in PLDs. Cuz hey, all that armor is dead sexy. :)
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By Sylph.Agentblade 2011-04-22 09:58:20
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Asura.Mahopon said:
I hope that regardless of what these changes do, it helps the game ultimately. No job in the game should be rendered useless. There are lovers of every job, and I hope they will continue to seek an answer to the problems. I'd really love to see a comeback in PLDs. Cuz hey, all that armor is dead sexy. :)
PLD still has it uses in aby, just not what its suppose to be used for. If SE takes the game out of aby, PLD will be back on its game. IF SE doesnt, Ill still rock my pld likes its 2009.
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By Reikouki 2011-04-22 10:03:49
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I'm so happy to see that they are giving RNG some love. It's been my favorite job for so long, and I felt like I needed a reason to justify using it again, lol. Being a semi-TH-ho will make it worthwhile enough for me to finish it up and cap off the few seals I still need.
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2011-04-22 10:05:36
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People keep talking about PLD's hate holding capability as if that is the issue. PLD (previously a career PLD here) is now outclassed, less because it is harder to hold hate, but more because you can survive equally well with a job that has a damage output.

Before this turns into the 1000th QQFIXPLD thread, I just want to point this out. If you want to "fix" PLD: you need to add something to pld that justifies their place in the party. A party buff, increase in DPS, or somehow weakening the mob should suffice.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Volkom 2011-04-22 10:06:22
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shields need to give more defense
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By Sylph.Agentblade 2011-04-22 10:08:23
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Quetzalcoatl.Volkom said:
shields need to give more defense
^This
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