Possible Use For PLD?

I'm sure I'm missing something but barring scythe, could pld proc red on par with war? I like many others struggle to find usefulness for a job I love.

If you're missing even 1 trigger, you're going to need someone to fill that spot and war is actually still useful after !! is triggered.

utility of pld: town gear for all those aegis-wielders out there, even more-so the case for those who decided to waste a handful of time building an ochain

Swift Blade

Pld with ochain/aegis and almace isnt too bad!

Brace yourselves: we're at it again....

Another episode of "Paladin QQ thread".

Instead making the same thread every few weeks, why ppl dont use the "search" option?

Stop whining about PLD. It had its uses for a long *** time and it probably have it's uses once abyssea has ended until then deal with it and stop QQ every 5 minutes with some new boring PLD post.

Useless before abyssea, useless during abyssea, useless after abyssea ?


Unless enmity is reworked, pld is dicked permanently. Although this was apparent when toau came out.

Make Aegis block Magic like Ochan block physical.

90% of magic cast from a mob thats lvl 90 or lower or however it works will be blocked.

That or give pld a Drain Emnity ability that allows them to take hate and place it on them...much like Drain samba does with HP. The more DD's attack the mob the more EMN is placed on the Pld.

But really nothing will fix pld. DD's can do it faster and survive just as well.

R.I.P pld.

Ah yes, the default responses of many users of this site that should just ignore the thread entirely and let it get lost into the void, but no you're "Bored" or in your terms "QQ about QQ".

Fine. Give pld a higher cure so they can sit on the side lines pld/whm with refresh Atma's and a cure staff so the can be useful again. Hell they can even help with Grellow.

SE messed things up, and gave certain abilities that would of clearly been useful for pld to other jobs

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For example would of been something great for a pld to have, taking hate at a large rate of other party members, (of course give it different name to fit paladin). But instead they give it to thief.

PLDs were made to be pullers in Abyssea exp parties.

No it didn't, and unless SE listens to the (justified) outcry and buffs it in a logical way, no it won't.

Higher enmity cap. Lower enmity generation from damage and more from PLD abilities/spells. Maybe higher enmity generation from curing spells too. Fixed

MNK and SAM kill way faster and survive just as well (outside too). No incentive to use PLD. Not fixed.

If they increase enmity generation from cure spells and decrease from damage dealt then mobs will go after healers.

Give PLD increased DD ability. I don't mean Chant du Cygne, I mean something on par with the GAxe or H2H empyrean WS that every PLD can use. ONLY way to fix PLD, and you'd need to increase Enmity cap as well.

Otherwise, there's no way to fix PLD, and no reason to other than the one Slashing trigger it gets over other sword using jobs.

I think they should just change Paladin to Pulladin, suits the job description better obviously.

Ok, so you want every pld to get a ws w/ no work required, that rivals the work put into victory smite and ukko's fury?

You make no sense brah

3k dmg shield bash should fix the job

What? I said "Maybe higher enmity generation from cure spells" which means they should increase it no? What are you talking about :x If they increased the enmity gain from cure spells and decreased it from damage dealt then DDs will have a problem keeping the mobs from mages. You would need a PLD again if they would just change the enmity system. That's all you have to change. But not like that will ever happen. Would be the easiest way tho imo.

Honestly, utility is just a question of the task at hand. Most EGLS probably don't have a use for pld given that MNK/WAR/NIN and even DNC can tank most things. However EGLS is not the end all be all. PLD's out there can still lead shout/ pickup runs and be the master of their own destinies...

Granted the people in the QQ chorus are prolly just peeps rocking 5/5 perle the way blueberry paladin's rocked adaman back in the day. However that's just not enough these days. Even if the PLD in question has +1/+2 gear that only addresses dmg mitigation and not DPS which is really what allows tanks to hold hate vis-a-vis other dd's in abyssea.

Has anyone ever thought of instead of just complaining to SE to do something, that maybe players ought to take care of what they can? PLD can handle a number of red and blu procs, yet do many players out there have their skills adequately leveled? No... alot don't.

DD PLD sounds oxymoronic but shoot, quit spamming atonement! Learn to gear yourself properly for Sanguine/ Vorpal Blades. It may not deal out OMGDMG like Ukon, Smite, (insert WS name here) however it'll top that crappy 200 dmg Atonement I still see some pld's insist on spamming.

These are all small things but if folks focused on doing what they could to make themselves useful we'd have less of this QQ BS where people opine how someone else (SE) should make their lives better. Take some initiative and carve out roles for yourselves in your LS and lowman groups...

decent haste set, ws set, spam vorpal blade AND do work!!! :D

Sanguine sucks for PLD (Cataclysm is probably a better brewing weaponskill too), Vorpal is mediocre inside and junk outside. Both pale in comparison to normal weaponskills like Raging Rush/Asuran Fists/Blade: Jin, and Almace won't keep up with Vereth/Ukon inside or outside.

The problem is trying to make yourself useful is a fruitless endeavor unless PLD is your only job. You're better off on just about any other job. WAR and NIN can cover all red procs and are far more useful than PLD. If your blue proc is Swift Blade, deaggro and reset it. If your specific group brings a PLD because you don't have a WAR that's fine, but your group's shortcomings don't fix the job. It's still useless to everyone else.

Those "little things" only matter if you surround yourself with shitty players. If PLD is your only job, level *anything* else and you'll be more useful than PLD is currently. It needs a buff, you can't really get around that.

Cure V is almost hateless, and increasing cure enmity would hamper PLD almost as badly as DD tanks because PLD can't survive on its own (barring Ochain or Aegis, and if you have one of those you can solo most anything anyway), and generates enmity slower than most DD jobs.