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so what you're saying is, you brought plds to salvage

no, I solo'ed as lolPUP, no PLD required ;)

uh ok

This has been going on since the begining of the game, there's always been some point when a certian job is useless or not wanted and when is it going to be updated.

Not all jobs are going to be perfect all the time in some harmonious union, so just like everything esle SE dose wait and see.

Also a job is only as useless as u want it to be.

Pld has been king of the tanking hill for so long in this game, they just can't stand not being the center of the FFXI universe any longer.(Hence the constant whining from most pld's) The solution they offer to fix pld? Destroy another jobs core identity! Stop blink tanking, it's a threat to pld dominance, control, and ego. Nin has been laughed at and ridiculed in most linkshells for the last 3-4 years, and now it was finally given a decent purpose again in abyssea. No, Abyssea is not a HNM area, but if you were a decent pld like the one from our shell, you would learn how to properly tank in abyssea. The game evolves, so should you. Here's a kleenex....

Killing blink tanking would bring back paladin? I go into abyssea MNK/WAR, so I don't even...

Get people who are better at proccing. Worst case scenario is I don't ws for a little bit, still much better than PLD. Also lol at far more whms. Should only need 1, 2 tops if your group sucks

i'm not sure what being a successful abyssea ls really implies or is supposed to prove

as success essentially = showing up

are you saying you spend the most time there?

Lol and pld is even worse lightning's day through dark's day, which puts you at 3/8th (37.5%) chance of any time you take a pld to tank of him having a chance at being *** over on any given NM(Provided you want drops)

lolFlash

This is one of the most HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE comments I've read about mnk or nin. If I want, I don't have to get hit at all while tanking on mnk. I don't even use counterstance. I suggest you get some better players.

As for the whole mnk vs pld, pld is only relevant now if you can't deal direct dmg to something, which is 1% of the time. Only thing that'd come close is an almace pld, and I'd still prefer a regular mnk over that due to the superior dmg/counter/evasion/higher hp/subtle blow. This is coming from someone who has whm/pld/mnk 90.

nuh uh my ls used pld in the course of beating mind numbingly easy content so clearly pld is great

also because *** you and um stop trolling

k bro

I wonder what corsairs, dancers, dark knights, bsts, dragoons, and pups think about all this? Oh yeah, that's right: They play the job they really like when they can, and play another one when necessary. Weird.

I'm just chillin wit Drille out in Cape Terrigan.

why don't the plds level greatsword and DD ?

It'd prolly take them less time to lv a DD than lv'ing GSD, lol.

thats true lol xD

I think the major problem with a lot of people is a refusal to evolve. PLD in particular is a huge example of this.

PLD was my main job for years and it's now all but retired, simply because I just don't have the means to keep up with jobs that can deal damage and tank far more efficiently than I can, especially in Abyssea.

There is simply one way a PLD can keep up with NIN and MNK in Abyssea, and that's through damage dealt. I would bet good money that the majority of PLDs crying foul over the recent decline are the ones that still melee in full PDT/HP gear, VIT Shamshir +2s and keep trying to spam Atonement.

PLD doesn't need any PDT gear, it doesn't need any more oshit buttons. It just needs a way to keep up with DoT. Chant du Cygne helps with this, hell, even a simple DD set and a good Vorpal Blade macro helps. The sad fact is though, a well geared Jin NIN or Ascetics MNK is still going to outclass a PLD 9 times out of 10.

There's no question a good PLD can still tank fairly well in lowman situations, but as has been mentioned enough in this thread already, why take a PLD to a fight when my MNK friend is going to deal damage and hold hate better than I can, with the added bonus of Counter and Subtle Blow?

Who knows, if content moves outside of Abyssea this year, PLD may get their chance to shine again. Until then, PLD really has little place in Abyssea.

TLDR - Adapt your playstyle. If that doesn't work, level MNK.

Isn't Almace good? Why don't more people go after that? The fact it isn't a one job weapon makes it even better. Or ***even Caladbolg. I'm just saying.

once i finish my caladbolg, i'm totally making a DD pld.

The butthurt is strong with this thread.

SE listened thoughtfully to your complaints and then they stopped by Shiva and watched Terraflarex bring an old school style asswhuppin to everything in Aby including the zone boss as pld, special delivery.

It was then they decided pld was already seven kinds of awesome too many with whipped topping and a cherry. If you want sprinkles, you'll have to wait, or swallow your pride and ask him what atmas he uses on his tcob pld. Because it's like pew~pew sparkle~sparkle and everything dies.

/asskiss OFF

Our LS had some of the first 11 characters on my server to have access to Shinryu BCNM, only a small group of JPs beet us by a few hours within 1 week of the last expansion coming out.

Regularly beating the ***out of any story boss, zone boss, chess piece or any other NM in any zone for the lolz (not the shitty crap that any retard can solo) not everything in abyssea is a joke you know.

Our linkshell only formed about 4-5 months ago from a social linkshell. Even some of the old school HNM LSs have been asking us for strats on how to kill mobs.

Not really.

Anyways, the thing that makes Paladin less useful these days is that it lacks versatility, compared to other jobs.
Atma effects and WHM's Cure VI have enabled classes that traditionally were ghetto tanks (WAR, MNK) to be effective tanks. And the advent of Razed Ruin combined with critical hit WS's makes WAR or MNK a far better choice for almost any Abyssea-based task, compared to PLD.

It's true that PLD is probably getting the shaft in recent version updates. BLU got new spells, both for damage and healing, plus it has spells to trigger yellow !! weaknesses. BLM got new spells, added two incredibly useful JA's (Mana Wall and Enmity Douse), and got many of the !! weakness spells, too.

So, while many jobs gained versatility, others did not. And since most endgame FFXI content has steered away from needing full alliances to accomplish anything, players have placed a premium on versatility. So, it's not that PLD is a bad job, at all. It's just that other jobs are more versatile and more useful in situations where players want to minimize adding more people to the party.

Furthermore, S-E has given SO many NM's hate reset TP moves now. A lot of the advantages of using Paladin in the past were because Paladin could accumulate CE really well (in addition to the VE JA's). With NM's spamming hate resets, it's basically a PLD nerf.

There are still ways to use Paladin, they've just lost popularity. It's useful to have a Paladin in kiting strategies, since a Flash and Cure IV can be used from range. Nothing's changed about that in years. However, since BLM can access Refresh/Convert/Mana Wall/Enmity Douse nowadays, there's hardly ever a need to /kneel for MP recovery. So, unfortunately, it's probably better to just have another BLM instead of adding PLD.

Another old-school PLD use that could still be used, if people wanted to use it, is SATA tanking. However, it's easy to make the argument that it's better to just use the THF as the tank, rather than putting the PLD in front of the THF. Honestly, a lot of THF's I see these days have either forgotten how to use SATA, or they never learned in the first place.

There's definitely things that could be done to breathe life back into PLD.
Adding Cure V would be a big step. Adding Divine Seal would help. Lowering the recast timer of Invincible would work. Adding a spell (similar to Addle) that temporarily decreases the effectiveness of NM hate-reset moves would be helpful. Or, give PLD a passive trait that makes them immune to hate resets. Could also consider adding Provoke and/or Collaborator as an innate JA for PLD.

This would be a bit more radical, but introducing a new class of Sword is an avenue that could make PLD relevant again. Ideally, the new Sword type would allow PLD to use heavier WeaponSkills while still being able to use a Shield.

someone has a hard on for PLDs

I agree though. PLD still does have its place and can still tank pretty well if played right. MDB sets, PDT sets, HP sets, Enmity sets. They don't do the most amazing damage but they sure as hell can still take a hit and minimize most magical damage.

(my PLD personally is retired, lol)

I'm so sick of the complaining about PLD. Yes PLD was the high and mighty back in the day. I'm sure it really hurts going from being the most popular kid in school to being just one of the crowd. Deal with it.

PLD still gets more new gear every update than any other job.

PLD is doubly now, the only real tank option outside of abyssea.

Every other job has gone through a cycle of being useful then useless then maybe useful again (exception: ranger who just got left at useless).

Really PLDs you're just coming off as selfish spoiled children. Get over it and play something else in abyssea.

It's a 2-hour. There's no lowering the recast of those, ever.

SE cant make every job balanced.Thats like making every character in a fighting game fair.PLD will have its uses tho,just not as much as before

Assuming you mean ninja, but ninja was even more useful as a weak DD than PLD was as a tank. out