Ifrit.Darkanaseur said:
Asura.Nightbear said:
Ifrit.Darkanaseur said:
Cerberus.Lightvision said:
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
That haste necklace aswell.
Asura.Nightbear said:
Nope 1% haste = nothing vs 7acc & crit dmg
No, simple math. That neck is .02 damage increase, even cavaros mantle (3%) is frowned upon in place of stuff like Forager's.
If your crit dmg from a melee hit is 130, this piece ups you to 133. IF you're getting the full 1% (read: not capped), and stacked with other Haste, the neck will up your damage and WS freq, the AF3 neck will not. Acc/attack are also pretty moot, accuracy is probably capped, and if it isn't, there's better options.
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
Because none of us can possibly have another character with ninja on it, right?
And it's a MUST to have the job leveled to understand it?
My NIN is just 75, but yeah..
Didn't you know? The game formulae change across jobs! Haste makes MNKs faster, but NINs slower.
read this not long ago, from BG forums
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10% DW (innate thf, blu)
Max usable haste: 78%
15% DW (any /nin)
Max usable haste: 76.5%
20% DW (/nin + suppa)
Max usable haste: 75%
30% DW (dnc)
Max usable haste: 71.5%
35% DW (nin, dnc+suppa)
Max usable haste: 69.5%
40% DW (nin+suppa, dnc+suppa+auric)
Max usable haste: 66.5%
45% DW (nin+suppa+AF body, dnc+suppa+auric+charis neck)
Max usable haste: 63.5%
50% DW (nin+suppa+AF body+Iga head)
Max usable haste: 60%
55% DW (nin+suppa+AF body+Iga head+Koga pants)
Max usable haste: 55.5%
Capped gear haste + Haste gives 40%. Double Marches pushes that to 62% (just past the cap for 50% DW nin).
Capped gear + Haste + Haste Samba gives 50%. Double Marches pushes that to 72% (capped for dnc with no DW gear).
Since external buffs can be considered static for a given setup, it's actually gear that needs to be adjusted to match that.
Given Haste + 2x March, you're generally good up to capped gear haste and 50% DW. So, no real limitations before you add in Haste Samba.
Given Haste + 2x March + Haste Samba, you can use 20% gear haste + 40% DW, 23% gear haste + 35% DW, or 25% gear haste + 30% DW.
For dnc, full Charis +2 gives 15% haste. Add Goading Belt to hit 20% and you can pick 2 out of 3 among: Suppa, Charis Necklace and Auric Dagger.
If using Swift + Rapp + Aurore hands to reach 25% haste then you don't want any additional DW gear.
For nin getting Haste Samba and the other buffs, they cap with 23% gear haste and no DW gear. Adding just Suppa means they cap at 20% gear haste (and they get 17% with the current Iga +2).
No idea on mnk. It would fall at the 71.5% max haste tier, above.
If using some +96 delay knuckles and this applied (and assuming it's relative to the base 400 delay of MA1, not the 480 delay of no MA), min delay would be 99.2 (~50 frames in FRAPS). If it does not apply, min delay would be 75.2 (~38 frames in FRAPS). If it's relative to the no-MA 480 delay, min delay would be 115.2 (~58 frames in FRAPS). Will have to see about getting some help to test it, if someone else doesn't do so first.
From Motenten on BG
Max usable haste: 78%
15% DW (any /nin)
Max usable haste: 76.5%
20% DW (/nin + suppa)
Max usable haste: 75%
30% DW (dnc)
Max usable haste: 71.5%
35% DW (nin, dnc+suppa)
Max usable haste: 69.5%
40% DW (nin+suppa, dnc+suppa+auric)
Max usable haste: 66.5%
45% DW (nin+suppa+AF body, dnc+suppa+auric+charis neck)
Max usable haste: 63.5%
50% DW (nin+suppa+AF body+Iga head)
Max usable haste: 60%
55% DW (nin+suppa+AF body+Iga head+Koga pants)
Max usable haste: 55.5%
Capped gear haste + Haste gives 40%. Double Marches pushes that to 62% (just past the cap for 50% DW nin).
Capped gear + Haste + Haste Samba gives 50%. Double Marches pushes that to 72% (capped for dnc with no DW gear).
Since external buffs can be considered static for a given setup, it's actually gear that needs to be adjusted to match that.
Given Haste + 2x March, you're generally good up to capped gear haste and 50% DW. So, no real limitations before you add in Haste Samba.
Given Haste + 2x March + Haste Samba, you can use 20% gear haste + 40% DW, 23% gear haste + 35% DW, or 25% gear haste + 30% DW.
For dnc, full Charis +2 gives 15% haste. Add Goading Belt to hit 20% and you can pick 2 out of 3 among: Suppa, Charis Necklace and Auric Dagger.
If using Swift + Rapp + Aurore hands to reach 25% haste then you don't want any additional DW gear.
For nin getting Haste Samba and the other buffs, they cap with 23% gear haste and no DW gear. Adding just Suppa means they cap at 20% gear haste (and they get 17% with the current Iga +2).
No idea on mnk. It would fall at the 71.5% max haste tier, above.
If using some +96 delay knuckles and this applied (and assuming it's relative to the base 400 delay of MA1, not the 480 delay of no MA), min delay would be 99.2 (~50 frames in FRAPS). If it does not apply, min delay would be 75.2 (~38 frames in FRAPS). If it's relative to the no-MA 480 delay, min delay would be 115.2 (~58 frames in FRAPS). Will have to see about getting some help to test it, if someone else doesn't do so first.
From Motenten on BG
