Tachi Fudo

I would appreciate to see TP builds for 5-hit Masamune SAM's, and see the following numbers OUTSIDE abyssea:
Haste
Attack
STP

I've yet to find a good setup that can capitalize on Haste while still maintaining excellent Attack. I know the argument will be that the DOT per hit will be marginally reduced by substituting some items for Haste but overall, in combining the damage total from the normal attacks and weapon skills the total DOT will be significantly higher... but I'm greedy as a SAM, I want the whole sa-bang. I think the further system level increases and gear may solve alot of our problems but here and now I havent found a solution

@Gukai
I use this TP set outside Abyssea; 5-hit(STP+52)/24% Haste in gear:


Zerk up:


Zerk down:


Generally use pizza/+1, but ocassionally Red Curry buns on stuff like DL zerg etc.

Granted i haven't used SAM outside Abyssea as much as I would like to yet, but from stuff like Salvage/Nyzul Isle/WOTG missions/Add-on missions/Dynamis/Campaign - my average WS numbers range from 2.2-3kish with Zerk up, and 1.7-2.5kish with Zerk down using no buffs. DA is the cause of those high spikes.

Hope this helps regarding your question(s).

It comes to +50 sTP.

Yeah i was wrong.

No, it's 20.5 TP per hit, 16.8 on the WS + (20.5 x 4) = 98.8, with VV, it'd easily 5hit. If he was outside he would need regain earring.

No its 20.7 per hit which would give him a 5hit

Assuming you ws in my "Zerk-up" set, you maintain a true 5-hit on the dot without any gear change.

My above post was posted to show Gukai the sets I use to achieve good results outside Abyssea.

@Takinagi
Regarding the Moonshade earring, I would personally go for TP Bonus+25/Atk+4 to boost ws dmg further rather than augment Regain to complete a 5-hit build, since you achieve 5-hit with gear alone rather easy.

This is what i am using right now.

Tp set, Need a Rose strap for 5hit outside.



Berserk down.


Berserk up.

FFXIcalc says 20.5 given his TP set w/ ace's mufflers on.

Removed Rose strap since ace's -4 stp

If you use my "Zerk-down" set it rebuilds@99 TP.

Usually I always get hit/Excess meditate TP to land on 5-hit in my "Zerk-down" set. If thats not the case, I swap out Byrnie+1 with askar in my "Zerk-down" set.

The "Zerk-up" set maintains a true 5-hit on rebuild.

Missed tathlum, ohwell. Regardles, still 99.6 with VV thatd be no prob for 5 hit :P.

Just math it out vs relying on something that could be wrong...
Fudo is 11.1
stp gear/traits/merits = 87
11.1 x 1.87 = 20.7

Keeping Rosestrap, brutal, rajas, Unkai+2 legs and Askar body on ws is what keeps the 5-hit (STP+22).

Stop been cheap and get Dusk gloves +1 and drop the askar body ;p

Hmm, I dont think it would help since you will still be ATK capped on most things outside Abyssea with Zerk up/redcurry/pizza using Askar body.

Difference is only -13 atk, but Askar adds DA+2% which push my total DA rate to 21% on my WS.

However, getting dusk gloves+1 will make me able to fulltime Polestrap while maintaining 5-hit I think (@work so I can't calculate it out) which push my total DA to 23% on WS. So I would probably get that if I can even find one.

BTW, wouldn't swapping Askar/Usukane body>Byrnie+1 and keeping Unkai+2 legs on WS give you a 4-hit rebuild (5hit-build)?

I use Twilight mail with berserk up 10str>2% DA.

4 x 20.7 TP hit (Each hit without Rose strap)
16.4 WS (Not using Askar/Usu)
= 99.2

4 x 20.9 TP hit (using Rose strap)
16.8 WS (Not using Askar/Usu)
= 100.4

4 x 20.7 Tp hit (Each hit without Rose strap)
16.9 WS (using askar body)
=99.7

Assuming you are not using ace's mufflers this is the outcome.

Oh well, so in my case getting dusk gloves+1 won't make me able to fulltime polestrap outside Abyssea without buffs like SAM rolls, carbonara etc. So in other words, does next to nothing for my current sets.

Thanks for calculating it out for me.

Correct, Until you have Twilight mail for your berserk set i would stick with what you have. You might find Nocturnus mail over Askar might help your WS dmg until you get Twilight but that all depends on if you want to invest in Dusk gloves +1.

Slight necro-bump. I've tested some atma combos, and from my experience RR/SB/GC performed the best where you can melee freely and not forced to hold back (too much TP) being exp camps/tanking or melee'ing NMs.

If you are just proc'ing triggers/Med-up on NM fights to run in and WS;
SB/VV/GC or SB/Apoc/GC (Higher spikes on occassions) worked out best for me.

>_> Minst 50% av alle norske jeg ser som spiller ffxi har en relic.. føler meg så gimp ;;

Apoc/RR/VV is superior to that, so is Apoc/RR/SB and so is Apoc/RR/A&O

Hei! trenger ikke relics når du kan lage empyreans så mye fortere!


While I started with those atma combos and loved them, how does VV measure up to 20% static increase on WS damage?

Let's take my TP/WS sets inside Abyssea for exp use;

Another thing to factor in is that I am using Stalwart fulltime in Abyssea. This is never a problem for me since the box-person just pops any chests appearing. If he/she doesn't, I always ask if they can do that - which I have yet to encounter anyone who has said no to me about that.

- My ATK is capped (999) using SB/RR/GC with my ZERK-up WS set. My ZERK-down set push past 900+ ATK.

- My STR push past 200+ in both my WS-sets with cruor (I got all 3 Furtherance) buffs+Hasso+Pizza+1/NQ.

Given that I have a 5-hit in gear, Regain does nothing for me really.

The 5% DA is an ok boost.

I should be capped on STR for Buffalo/Sandsweeper/Monitor camps I think. If not I can see VV helping out on the STR-part. Even then I can't be far off the STR cap on these mobs (the buffalos if anything).

As for Apoc, it rocks, but i've been leaning more towards atmas that gives more reliable increases on WS. My average high on WS has bumped up using SB>Apoc and GC>VV.


Not claiming I am right, but rather curious about your argument.


EDIT: my total STR is 210-220+ in Hero-zones.

Relic er status, emp er casual! :p

with 220+ str adding the 50str from VV is going to be an 10.8% increase in your ws damage.

While GC increases your ws 20% you are not getting that full increase since you also have overwelm active, meaning you're really only getting 16.8% boost from it. 1.39/1.19 = 16.8%

Now take into account that this is only ws damage and they dont affect your melee damage(outside of zerk down for more attack) since youll be capped on fstr and GC doesnt do anything outside of ws. Before 30/70 split was common for sam, with masamune Dot lets assume a 40/60 split for now.

.168 * .6 = 10% for GC
.108 * .6 = 6.4%

Now with berserk down, using RCB as food you're still making good on 10-15attack from VV as you cap your attack on the average exp mob(420def, some have more, NMs obviously more) thats going to give you atleast 2-3% increase. Since we went with 40/60 split its going to be roughly 1-1.5%% overall increase(.4-.6% since berserk down phase is small). Now you mentioned you are using pizza+1 which means less attack during tp phase when berserk is down. Youll probably make use of all the attack from VV during berserk down phase which is close to 50attack. Thats a 6-7% increase, overall 1%-1.3%.

Now comes DA, 5% wont obviously be a 5% increase considering youll have already 15-20% already on you. Its going to be closer to 4-4.3%. Since I had Apoc up, its going to drop that to 2.6-3% increase since TA should take priority over DA and diminish the gains even more.

If you add up all that, its going to be roughly 10% if not a little bit more depending how the split goes. However thats not calculating the regain on VV either, as any extra tp you get over 100 benefits fudo. So Yes VV will have a slight edge over GC. Thats with using all you gear/buffs. And Apoc/RR/VV vs Apoc/RR/GC combo. If you replace Apoc with SB the difference between VV and GC is bigger.

o_O; Why RR atma?
I was under the impression that you want combos like VV/SB/Apoc or SA/SB/Apoc (depending on your STR/ATT/STP builds).

RR has a massive effect on the aftermath

Swat I meant >:D