Apoc Dead?

I'm working on:
Keitonotachi +1 (on trial 1599)
Unkai Kabuto +1
Usukane Sune-Ate (have 35 piece)

You won't find me wearing Dusk Gloves.
Oh well.

Why not? Let me guess... haste taking too long to proc? LOL I couldn't resist. Apoc is still sexy. Solo drk ftw!

Nooooo my credibility, I so badly wanted your endorsement ; ;

hey excelior what does ur apoc aftermath gear looks like?

It's fairly ***now. Never bought a speed belt cause I figured Ninurta's sash was gonna drop way down in price. Atm It's basically:

Ace's Helm
Perle Hands
Homam legs
Homam feet
Toreador's ring

Non-aftermath in those slots are
W turban
Homam hands
Homam Legs
Homam Feet
Blitz ring

I have ares legs and ***but I need a 6% haste belt to really make a respectable aftermath build. Even so this build parses pretty high. I generally beat most other apoc drks, but thats more of a function of experience than gear. When I finish my Bale Helm +1 I'm going to switch to this:

Bale helm +1
Homam hands
Ares's Flanchard
Homam feet
Blitz ring

Then When I get Vbelt I'm going to switch to this:

Bale Helm +1
Perle Hands
Are Flanchard
Homam feet
Toreador's ring

I have the gil for Speed belt and dusk gloves+1 but I'm not buying that ***until I see waht comes out for 99 cap. I'm afraid to throw my money away lol.

Optimal aftermath is now:

Bale head+2
Dusk gloves+1
Velocious Belt
Bale legs+2
Bale feet +2

k So i'm a complete noob when it comes to apoc aftermath but if you were able to get the aftermath up and put on souleater would you use a gloom breasplate :o ?

I did that when I tanked Cerberus or Tiamat. Throw up Last Restort and Souleater and put on gloom and zerg for the entire 1 minute. Generally does a shitload of damage. Tiamat is a bit harder to do it with because he has counter. I'd have a PLD jump in front and cover me while I zerged.

oh thats pretty cool~ lol makes me wish i could find 500mil under my bed and go get a relic xD

It was closer to 200mil when I made mine. I imagine relics are now closer to 150mil.

you have a relic for a job that's already gear-haste defficient and you don't have a vbelt/speed belt/nsash/goading belt? that seems really disrespectful, and bizarre

I hated drk. My main job was PLD in every LS for about 5 years. My LS leader demanded I do a DD relic or no relic at all. So here I am.
Even without the peak gear I easily out perform most apoc drks. I also don't focus on DDing. I tank with my drk almost exclusively. So even though I might not be the best geared drk around I still easily set the standard in whatever end game shell I join. I had wanted Excalibur D:

Do you even understand the nature of Apoc or is your head too far up your ***?

He's fine. He just thinks that relics should have maxed out gear. Apocalypse is a very forgiving relic because even with ***geary ou can reach capped haste. The aftermath build are marginal increases of damage. Well, unless you count the new Bale +2 Aftermath builds which are rediculously good. +60 STR in your TP set is massive additional damage.

Yeah, I suppose so. But I still don't think he even knows what Apoc's aftermath is lol.

Good to see Annabell still sucks :/

that is... bizarre? lol
but you really should go get yourself one of the belts I listed, it's not hard nowadays and you're seriously gimp without it, whether you want a apoc or not. any dd or tank is gimp without it.


are you seriously saying my head is up my *** because I think melee, especially a relic, should have a 6% haste belt or as close as possible? are you literally HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE?

Like I said I can easily get one but I'm waiting to see what comes out at 99. I'm not gonna blow 40mil on a speed belt to find out a better belt gets released in two months.

No, you my friend are HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE if you really think an Apoc owner HAS to have a 6% haste build. You need to go do some research on Apoc and Apoc's aftermath before you come on these boards with ignorant comments to flame someone who's gear is far better than your own. Btw, I could give you loads of suggestions on better gear for your summoner... but i'm going to take the high road this time...

understandable I guess, speed belts are only 20m on leviathan right now though. can't hurt to go camp a vbelt though!



wow, you really are HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE. aftermath happens AFTER you weaponskill (shocking, right?), a properly geared apoc holder will have pre-aftermath and post-aftermath sets. you are seriously advocating willingly gimping yourself, amazing.

(PS. that's random ***I threw on while running around buying cooking mats and in no way reflects anything about my SMN gear, try *** harder)

Whatever, you're just another flamer. I swear these forums are getting just as bad as BG's. I never said he shouldn't have pre-aftermath and post-aftermath sets... The fact is that he'll be in his post-aftermath set 90% of the time. You came here flaming him with an ignorant comment about a relic owner not having a 6% haste belt being "disrespectful and bazaar". In reality, you are the one thing disrespectful about this thread.

I tossed v belt as soon as i got a relic, haste takes too long to proc so i fulltime warwolf. Thats how i roll yo.

Edit: we did claim KA yesterday no belt, and yes.... Sombody did
Send me a tell prior to it popping saying something about how i should get an n sash or goading belt. "you have a relic and your worried about v belt"
Apparently, you have to have shitty gear to want v belt on sylph.

This is the most HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE statement I have ever seen in print.
Good job.

what about my comment was ignorant? any serious melee, especially relics, should have a 6% haste belt or better, or be working towards accomplishing that.

his situation IS bizarre, how often does some one has a relic (apparently) forced onto them for a job they don't like?

and yes, it is disrespectful to take the work and gil of many people (presumably since it's a linkshell funded relic) and not do everything in your power to ensure your gear is top of the line to justify their purchase and faith in you. hearing his justification makes it a little more understandable, but still... it's weird.

I'm not flaming; you're the one spouting *** idiotic advice.


drk can't cap gear haste currently without a 6% haste belt, and even then it's with some serious sacrifices. how are you struggling with such basic, fundamental concepts?

It's not though, really.

So you're obviously making huge assumptions. You're assuming that a linkshell funded his relic. You're also saying that I was giving advice, which is untrue. If you were even trying to make a legit argument rather than just defend your harsh initial post, I'd continue. I see that you'd rather call names and act like a child over a videogame. Kudos to you my friend. You're e-penis is obviously bigger than everyone elses. Go party with someone who has a relic scythe so you can experience first-hand how often they even equip a pre-aftermath build once things have started. Then get back to me. Btw Excelior, you're way too nice ;)

I want to know, how is not having a 6% haste belt disrespectful?

Because you don't have it yet. OSNAP OSNAP OSNAP

P.S Is your avatar from Tim and Eric show?

it's disrespectful because you're not taking the investment from others (even if it was entirely self-funded, which it sounds like it wasn't, you still need help to get papers etc) and doing your absolute best to bring out the max potential of it. excel understands where I'm coming from, why don't you?

if you entirely self-funded your relic, and bought the papers from dynamis shells, then I guess I apoligize, you have every right to be as gimp as you want in that case... but this isn't his general stance on stuff judging from his other posts, which is why I said something.

it sounds like he understands it's gimp and he should be looking for a better solution, the rest of you are freaking out and defending what is clearly and obviously a gimp choice, and even admitted by the guy himself. I'm sure he knows and understands that even if he wants to discount any situations in which aftermath won't be up, it's really bad to not have it for pld or any other melee jobs he might have, or rdm. I didn't snap at him any further because I understand what he's doing and I'm doing it myself for my own (non-relic lol) drk.

...eh *** it, I'm talking to a wall.

Well, I just think having an Apoc is going to do a lot more for you than that 2% haste but ok.

Its just the same old, tired argument where people think you should have 100% maxed gear before you think about getting a relic. If thats your stance on it thats cool and ill respect what you think.

idk why you edited your post, but here:

DRK is my side hobby, since I'm a career mage, and I'm next in line for something better than a vbelt in my linkshell, so I'm not camping KA except to help friends. I'm doing my best to improve my drk, I understand what gear it needs and what changes I need to make as I slowly accumulate gear for a class of job I've never had before. I do it because I like the job, and I respect the amazing support I got from my friends to complete my OAT+1 scythe. all of this is really basic courtesy and putting effort forth; I don't expect anything more than this from other people.

all I have been saying this entire time is to understand what gimpness you have, and make the proper effort to improve it. or at least have a damn good reason to not make the proper effort.