I used to think this spell would never come into existence, as it would create a fully hasted ninja perma-shadows.
Now with the level cap to 99 eventually. I wonder if we are going to see this spell? Especially with many high end mobs with TP moves that wipe shadows quickly.
Any thoughts on what it would be? Perhaps 5 shadows, followed by Ni with 4, then Ichi with 3?
Utsusemi: San
Utsusemi: San
well the AF3+2 shoes already have "enhance utsusemi" which can really only mean +1 shadow per cast...so we kind of already have it......
Ifrit.Eikechi said:
well the AF3+2 shoes already have "enhance utsusemi" which can really only mean +1 shadow per cast...so we kind of already have it......
I think you're being a tad optimistic :P It'll probably be a slight delay in cast time or recast time knowing SE
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Ifrit.Eikechi said:
well the AF3+2 shoes already have "enhance utsusemi" which can really only mean +1 shadow per cast...so we kind of already have it......
Good point, but there are still 15 levels of Ninjutsu. Lots of things can happen. haste ninjutsu perhaps? Not to mention the San spells for the elemental wheel. Just seems like it is something they would do whether it be a released spell, or perhaps a level 99 merit system.
Quetzalcoatl.Buckeyespud said:
I used to think this spell would never come into existence, as it would create a fully hasted ninja perma-shadows.
Even with the level cap raise this would still be a big problem. The only way I see this happening is if SE lowered the number of ways ninja could gain hate and I don't see them doing that.
What I would like to see is san creating a copy of the caster (like a pet I guess) that would just auto attack the curent target (and would vanish if it took any form of damage or after a minute or so passed whichever comes first).
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That can be just about anything from strong spell interruption down while casting utsusemi, to absorbs AoE spells / Tp moves, to adds an additional shadow to ichi, or both to ichi and ni.
I'm hoping that someone will get the boots soon and can be able to test it.
I'm hoping that someone will get the boots soon and can be able to test it.
Carbuncle.Zanno said:
That can be just about anything from strong spell interruption down while casting utsusemi, to absorbs AoE spells / Tp moves, to adds an additional shadow to ichi, or both to ichi and ni. I'm hoping that someone will get the boots soon and can be able to test it.
I like it! Sort of like an Utsusemi with a little Phalanx mixed in.
Carbuncle.Zanno said:
That can be just about anything from strong spell interruption down while casting utsusemi, to absorbs AoE spells / Tp moves, to adds an additional shadow to ichi, or both to ichi and ni.
I'm hoping that someone will get the boots soon and can be able to test it.
I'm hoping that someone will get the boots soon and can be able to test it.
NO WAY they are gonna let utsu absorb AoE spells..that would be more broken than an extra shadow lol
Ifrit.Eikechi said:
Carbuncle.Zanno said:
That can be just about anything from strong spell interruption down while casting utsusemi, to absorbs AoE spells / Tp moves, to adds an additional shadow to ichi, or both to ichi and ni. I'm hoping that someone will get the boots soon and can be able to test it.
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Maybe an AoE at least absorbs 3-4 shadows and if you only have 1-2 up, at least mitigates some damage.
Ifrit.Eikechi said:
Carbuncle.Zanno said:
That can be just about anything from strong spell interruption down while casting utsusemi, to absorbs AoE spells / Tp moves, to adds an additional shadow to ichi, or both to ichi and ni.
I'm hoping that someone will get the boots soon and can be able to test it.
I'm hoping that someone will get the boots soon and can be able to test it.
NO WAY they are gonna let utsu absorb AoE spells..that would be more broken than an extra shadow lol
It HAS happened before years ago, but they nerfed it. I can see some fair play in it being NIN-exclusive, though.
Ifrit.Eikechi said:
Carbuncle.Zanno said:
That can be just about anything from strong spell interruption down while casting utsusemi, to absorbs AoE spells / Tp moves, to adds an additional shadow to ichi, or both to ichi and ni.
I'm hoping that someone will get the boots soon and can be able to test it.
I'm hoping that someone will get the boots soon and can be able to test it.
NO WAY they are gonna let utsu absorb AoE spells..that would be more broken than an extra shadow lol
I'm not saying that's what it's gonna be. Just saying that all we can do is speculate until someone is able to do tests. I personally would like spell interruption down, and that casting utsusemi would generate more enmity (Or wont lose enmity when shadows absorbs hits)
As far as it goes to utsusemi san, never gonna happen. (save this thread and remind me of this once we catually do get utsusemi san, lol)
Someone said elemental San's, we have them already.
no that was his point..if we have ele san, maybe utsu san is in the works lol
edit: and screw interrupt- on utsu..its hard as hell to interrupt ni as it is lol
edit: and screw interrupt- on utsu..its hard as hell to interrupt ni as it is lol
Asura.Andevom said:
If they do release this spell, they'll just completely screw Utsusemi and have the majority of mobs you'd want to fight wipe/ignore your shadows. That or they'll give it a huge recast timer.
I wouldn't necessarily say they would change things. Remember that our definition of "overpowered" has to evolve just like the game and level cap has involved. We may thing it will be overpowered, but I think we are going to see some pretty gruesome beasts released too.
There's already been a thread about Utsusemi:San btw.
If it doesn't give an extra shadow. Let's hope it lets ni overwrite ichi at least. Lol
Lakshmi.Galvaya said:
If it doesn't give an extra shadow. Let's hope it lets ni overwrite ichi at least. Lol
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copyed from wiki:
Utsusemi is the category of Ninja-only "spells", or rather, Ninjutsu, that aid in avoiding attacks. These spells put up Copy Images that absorb damage directed at the Ninja. Requires one Shihei tool per casting. As of the June 2010 upate, the Copy Image now has a numerical counter which displays how many shadows are remaining. Ranges anywhere from 1 to 4+.
Ninja Level 12 can use: Utsusemi: Ichi
Ninja Level 37 can use: Utsusemi: Ni
read the underlined and bolded. dosent ichi give you 3 and ni give you 4? how do you get 4+ shadows if you can only get a maximum of 4, so, i think that the boost +2 will give you more shadow/s
Utsusemi is the category of Ninja-only "spells", or rather, Ninjutsu, that aid in avoiding attacks. These spells put up Copy Images that absorb damage directed at the Ninja. Requires one Shihei tool per casting. As of the June 2010 upate, the Copy Image now has a numerical counter which displays how many shadows are remaining. Ranges anywhere from 1 to 4+.
Ninja Level 12 can use: Utsusemi: Ichi
Ninja Level 37 can use: Utsusemi: Ni
read the underlined and bolded. dosent ichi give you 3 and ni give you 4? how do you get 4+ shadows if you can only get a maximum of 4, so, i think that the boost +2 will give you more shadow/s
Unless I'm mistaken, Wiki isn't an official source for SE. Not to mention it's a wiki.
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Fairy.Spence said:
Unless I'm mistaken, Wiki isn't an official source for SE. Not to mention it's a wiki.
yes, this is true, but then again, when i do play, i reference wiki alot, and 99% of the time, i have had the right advice on the wiki, so this leads me to believe this could be true, theory here, no?
Hades.Lilyetti said:
Fairy.Spence said:
Unless I'm mistaken, Wiki isn't an official source for SE. Not to mention it's a wiki.
yes, this is true, but then again, when i do play, i reference wiki alot, and 99% of the time, i have had the right advice on the wiki, so this leads me to believe this could be true, theory here, no?
You may very well be right, we'll just have to wait and see.
I wouldn't say Usu: san is impossible. It was once in auto-translate... If anything it'd be broken with Sange, that would deal hefty damage.
Even with 5 shadow usu (san's casting would be longer than Ni's) Doubt ninja's will spring back into action. Only the true die-hard ninja's are ninja's.
Even with 5 shadow usu (san's casting would be longer than Ni's) Doubt ninja's will spring back into action. Only the true die-hard ninja's are ninja's.
is there an icon utsusemi showing 5 shadow remaining on the .dat?
You got your answer.
You got your answer.
When you cast Utsusemi: Ni (as a Ninja), the icon specifically says, "4+"
What does that tell us?
What does that tell us?
is it from the last patch ? (i stoped before the lvl 65 release...)
didnt remember saw it before.
didnt remember saw it before.
But, i think it could be, a casting time, or recast time, or less interrupt bonus, not really sure it could be more shadow.
It's from the patch that added the Shadow counter. When you have 1, 2, or even 3 shadows remaining, they're clear, unaccompanied numbers. When you have a 4th Shadow, there's clearly a "+" sign next to it.
EDIT: Also, I doubt it has anything to do with casting time, or SE would have just put "Fast Cast" or Haste (which it already has), and not have wasted their time. Even so, if it ends up being such, I think that would be even better than more Shadows. We can already get the timer down to about 30 seconds, that would indirectly be more effective.
Again, though, when SE states something will be "enhanced" they don't typically give it additional bonuses, they enhance what it already has.
So additional Shadows, or cast/recast are the only possibilities.
EDIT: Also, I doubt it has anything to do with casting time, or SE would have just put "Fast Cast" or Haste (which it already has), and not have wasted their time. Even so, if it ends up being such, I think that would be even better than more Shadows. We can already get the timer down to about 30 seconds, that would indirectly be more effective.
Again, though, when SE states something will be "enhanced" they don't typically give it additional bonuses, they enhance what it already has.
So additional Shadows, or cast/recast are the only possibilities.
Hades.Lilyetti said:
copyed from wiki: Utsusemi is the category of Ninja-only "spells", or rather, Ninjutsu, that aid in avoiding attacks. These spells put up Copy Images that absorb damage directed at the Ninja. Requires one Shihei tool per casting. As of the June 2010 upate, the Copy Image now has a numerical counter which displays how many shadows are remaining. Ranges anywhere from 1 to 4+. Ninja Level 12 can use: Utsusemi: Ichi Ninja Level 37 can use: Utsusemi: Ni read the underlined and bolded. dosent ichi give you 3 and ni give you 4? how do you get 4+ shadows if you can only get a maximum of 4, so, i think that the boost +2 will give you more shadow/s
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