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Is there a point in PLD anymore?
 Diabolos.Raelia
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By Diabolos.Raelia 2010-08-22 18:03:45
Fenrir.Krazyrs said: abyssea i was PLD/SAM and when my gs got closet to cap, i was keeping hate more reg with spinning slash
<3 my Nightfall, had a couple key terror procs lol
but we were fighting bugards PLD/SAM is vastly underrated. Spinning Slash was made for them.
Nightfall/Algol/Subduer, PLD is on all of the Magians too.
I might make an Acc+16 Sombrelame for the really heavy stuff, but could rock a VIT+6/PDT-10% sword too.
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By Phoenix.Avelle 2010-08-22 18:13:32
Diabolos.Raelia said: Fenrir.Krazyrs said: abyssea i was PLD/SAM and when my gs got closet to cap, i was keeping hate more reg with spinning slash
<3 my Nightfall, had a couple key terror procs lol
but we were fighting bugards PLD/SAM is vastly underrated. Spinning Slash was made for them.
Nightfall/Algol/Subduer, PLD is on all of the Magians too.
I might make an Acc+16 Sombrelame for the really heavy stuff, but could rock a VIT+6/PDT-10% sword too.
I tried PLD/SAM on my way to 80 after the level raise, I wasn't impressed with the damage. It's certainly an increase in damage over sword and shield, but it shouldn't be able to come anywhere close to a proper dd job.
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2010-08-22 18:16:58
Anywhere you're using a PLD/SAM you could be using a DD/SAM is the problem.
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By Diabolos.Raelia 2010-08-22 18:23:16
Bahamut.Raenryong said: Anywhere you're using a PLD/SAM you could be using a DD/SAM is the problem. This.
But for leveling PLD in an Abyssea party, 76 PLD/SAM with a GS did 80% of the damage of our main DDs, which was way better than the 5% I was doing with Sword and /WAR. Actively trying to tank every mob in Abyssea was a waste of time when instead I could be a an effective DD (outdamaged the DRK/NIN) dedicated to protecting the pullers.
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By Shiva.Khimaira 2010-08-22 18:31:45
Shiva.Borealis said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Not trolling or anything... But really, wouldn't it be better to put a DD in where a PLD normally is in nearly every situation these days?
I'd actually take a BST over a PLD. Completely useless.
Yeah, BST are great at tanking Fafnir, Khimaira, King Behemoth, Aspidochelone, Sandworm, Ixion, ZNM T4s, etc;... Oh wait.. no.. no thats PLD again.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-08-22 18:33:30
Shiva.Khimaira said: Shiva.Borealis said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Not trolling or anything... But really, wouldn't it be better to put a DD in where a PLD normally is in nearly every situation these days?
I'd actually take a BST over a PLD. Completely useless.
Yeah, BST are great at tanking Fafnir, Khimaira, King Behemoth, Aspidochelone, Sandworm, Ixion, ZNM T4s, etc;... Oh wait.. no.. no thats PLD again.
I lol'd
Then I realised you were serious
Then I lol'd again.
Aspi needs a tank guys.
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By Sylph.Rorrick 2010-08-22 18:41:18
Tyger? I'd like to think I'm a decent MNK tank but I'd feel a lot safer on PLD for that. Triple attacks out the eyeballs for the lose.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-08-22 18:42:55
Shiva.Khimaira said: Shiva.Borealis said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Not trolling or anything... But really, wouldn't it be better to put a DD in where a PLD normally is in nearly every situation these days?
I'd actually take a BST over a PLD. Completely useless.
Yeah, BST are great at tanking Fafnir, Khimaira, King Behemoth, Aspidochelone, Sandworm, Ixion, ZNM T4s, etc;... Oh wait.. no.. no thats PLD again. Because there are no tanks besides PLD.
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By Phoenix.Avelle 2010-08-22 18:43:03
Shiva.Khimaira said: Shiva.Borealis said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Not trolling or anything... But really, wouldn't it be better to put a DD in where a PLD normally is in nearly every situation these days?
I'd actually take a BST over a PLD. Completely useless.
Yeah, BST are great at tanking Fafnir, Khimaira, King Behemoth, Aspidochelone, Sandworm, Ixion, ZNM T4s, etc;... Oh wait.. no.. no thats PLD again.
Fafnir is fine to just dd tank, Khimaira I wouldn't want a bunch of dd's on unless it's wings were broken, KB is killable with exactly 0 melee or tanks, BLMs tank Aspid, SW is just a completely joke, DI is a much faster kill using dd's to bounce hate, ZNM T4s like Sarameya are zerged down anyways, and ya I think that's about it. Pretty much the only time I truly feel useful is holding AV to break it's regen or PW. Just about everything else doesn't really matter what you bring.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-08-22 18:43:52
Shiva.Flionheart said: Shiva.Khimaira said: Shiva.Borealis said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Not trolling or anything... But really, wouldn't it be better to put a DD in where a PLD normally is in nearly every situation these days?
I'd actually take a BST over a PLD. Completely useless.
Yeah, BST are great at tanking Fafnir, Khimaira, King Behemoth, Aspidochelone, Sandworm, Ixion, ZNM T4s, etc;... Oh wait.. no.. no thats PLD again.
I lol'd
Then I realised you were serious
Then I lol'd again.
Aspi needs a tank guys. ZNMs do too!
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By Phoenix.Avelle 2010-08-22 18:44:53
Sylph.Rorrick said: Tyger? I'd like to think I'm a decent MNK tank but I'd feel a lot safer on PLD for that. Triple attacks out the eyeballs for the lose.
Tyger/Khimaira don't triple attack as far as I know, they just attack fast and double attack often.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-08-22 18:46:01
Phoenix.Avelle said: Shiva.Khimaira said: Shiva.Borealis said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Not trolling or anything... But really, wouldn't it be better to put a DD in where a PLD normally is in nearly every situation these days? I'd actually take a BST over a PLD. Completely useless. Yeah, BST are great at tanking Fafnir, Khimaira, King Behemoth, Aspidochelone, Sandworm, Ixion, ZNM T4s, etc;... Oh wait.. no.. no thats PLD again. Fafnir is fine to just dd tank, Khimaira I wouldn't want a bunch of dd's on unless it's wings were broken, KB is killable with exactly 0 melee or tanks, BLMs tank Aspid, SW is just a completely joke, DI is a much faster kill using dd's to bounce hate, ZNM T4s like Sarameya are zerged down anyways, and ya I think that's about it. Pretty much the only time I truly feel useful is holding AV to break it's regen or PW. Just about everything else doesn't really matter what you bring. Sounds great if you have all those jobs and support...
But not everyone does.
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By Bahamut.Serj 2010-08-22 18:46:13
I'm an advocate for blu tanks myself =3
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By Ragnarok.Darkpearl 2010-08-22 18:47:26
Even DNC can tank with a THF that spam behind always TA -.- come on... NIN tank looooooool
But yes seem PLD is like 70%-80% not needed now. I still like it tho.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-08-22 18:47:29
Bahamut.Serj said: I'm an advocate for blu tanks myself =3
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By Shiva.Khimaira 2010-08-22 18:47:30
Shiva.Flionheart said: Shiva.Khimaira said: Shiva.Borealis said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Not trolling or anything... But really, wouldn't it be better to put a DD in where a PLD normally is in nearly every situation these days?
I'd actually take a BST over a PLD. Completely useless.
Yeah, BST are great at tanking Fafnir, Khimaira, King Behemoth, Aspidochelone, Sandworm, Ixion, ZNM T4s, etc;... Oh wait.. no.. no thats PLD again.
I lol'd
Then I realised you were serious
Then I lol'd again.
Aspi needs a tank guys. Sylph.Rorrick said: Tyger? I'd like to think I'm a decent MNK tank but I'd feel a lot safer on PLD for that. Triple attacks out the eyeballs for the lose.
Beacause Tyger is the only T4 ZNM, and I mentioned him specifically. Sarameya can be zerged, but if it's being done regularly needs a tank, so does Tinnin. As for Aspi, you have me there though that's really the only one you were able to find a problem with. Perhaps Fafnir, and maybe Sandworm could be scratched off too, however I have trouble seeing PLD even starting to become obsolete.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-08-22 18:49:36
Shiva.Khimaira said: Beacause Tyger is the only T4 ZNM, and I mentioned him specifically. Sarameya can be zerged, but if it's being done regularly needs a tank, so does Tinnin. As for Aspi, you have me there though that's really the only one you were able to find a problem with. Perhaps Fafnir, and maybe Sandworm could be scratched off too, however I have trouble seeing PLD even starting to become obsolete.
lolwat
Sarameya was 6manned with SAM tanks at 75 easily and Tinnin's easily tanked by DRKs last I checked.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-08-22 18:49:50
Ramuh.Dasva said: Bahamut.Serj said: I'm an advocate for blu tanks myself =3
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By Phoenix.Avelle 2010-08-22 18:50:06
Ramuh.Dasva said: Phoenix.Avelle said: Shiva.Khimaira said: Shiva.Borealis said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Not trolling or anything... But really, wouldn't it be better to put a DD in where a PLD normally is in nearly every situation these days? I'd actually take a BST over a PLD. Completely useless. Yeah, BST are great at tanking Fafnir, Khimaira, King Behemoth, Aspidochelone, Sandworm, Ixion, ZNM T4s, etc;... Oh wait.. no.. no thats PLD again. Fafnir is fine to just dd tank, Khimaira I wouldn't want a bunch of dd's on unless it's wings were broken, KB is killable with exactly 0 melee or tanks, BLMs tank Aspid, SW is just a completely joke, DI is a much faster kill using dd's to bounce hate, ZNM T4s like Sarameya are zerged down anyways, and ya I think that's about it. Pretty much the only time I truly feel useful is holding AV to break it's regen or PW. Just about everything else doesn't really matter what you bring. Sounds great if you have all those jobs and support...
But not everyone does.
Obviously mileage will vary depending on how many people you bring. :P
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2010-08-22 18:51:20
Yeah, that's all true too.
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By Shiva.Khimaira 2010-08-22 18:51:48
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Shiva.Khimaira said: Beacause Tyger is the only T4 ZNM, and I mentioned him specifically. Sarameya can be zerged, but if it's being done regularly needs a tank, so does Tinnin. As for Aspi, you have me there though that's really the only one you were able to find a problem with. Perhaps Fafnir, and maybe Sandworm could be scratched off too, however I have trouble seeing PLD even starting to become obsolete.
lolwat
Sarameya was 6manned with SAM tanks at 75 easily and Tinnin's easily tanked by DRKs last I checked.
Tinnin can be bitchy, your average DRK couldnt do it. Most everything was formerly tankable by RDM, didn't make PLD obsolete then. I feel like Im missing something
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-08-22 18:52:18
How many people, how skilled, and on what jobs... but the point it it can be done, and honestly with a good group numbers generally aren't an issue because a good DD shouldn't be taking significantly more damage than a PLD in most situations.
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By Sylph.Rorrick 2010-08-22 18:52:51
Phoenix.Avelle said: Sylph.Rorrick said: Tyger? I'd like to think I'm a decent MNK tank but I'd feel a lot safer on PLD for that. Triple attacks out the eyeballs for the lose.
Tyger/Khimaira don't triple attack as far as I know, they just attack fast and double attack often.
Fair enough. I only ever fought it once but it was stripping my shadows almost every attack round and kinda looked like triples. I'd still personally feel safer on PLD for it than MNK, though admittedly I've never had the chance to try tanking it on MNK.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-08-22 18:53:56
Shiva.Khimaira said: Tinnin can be bitchy, your average DRK couldnt do it. So? I don't do average. I'm talking about the ones who have two brain cells to rub together. The kind that know how to count to 3 and use PDT/MDT kits.
Quote: Most everything was formerly tankable by RDM, didn't make PLD obsolete then. I feel like Im missing something You're missing that your hardon for PLDs doesn't extend to everyone else.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-08-22 18:54:47
Again, the worse your group, the more PLD's excel.
Get a good group, and PLD's are a waste of a slot.
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By Shiva.Khimaira 2010-08-22 18:56:29
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: How many people, how skilled, and on what jobs... but the point it it can be done, and honestly with a good group numbers generally aren't an issue because a good DD shouldn't be taking significantly more damage than a PLD in most situations.
The point is not "Can it be done".. Almost everything in this game is possible through different combinations, but that doesn't mean they make other methods, obsolete or pointless. I've heard of BLU tanking JoL, PLD still does that
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By Phoenix.Avelle 2010-08-22 18:57:20
Sylph.Rorrick said: Phoenix.Avelle said: Sylph.Rorrick said: Tyger? I'd like to think I'm a decent MNK tank but I'd feel a lot safer on PLD for that. Triple attacks out the eyeballs for the lose.
Tyger/Khimaira don't triple attack as far as I know, they just attack fast and double attack often.
Fair enough. I only ever fought it once but it was stripping my shadows almost every attack round and kinda looked like triples. I'd still personally feel safer on PLD for it than MNK, though admittedly I've never had the chance to try tanking it on MNK.
I believe Tyger is immune to slow/elegy (Khimaira isn't) and in general is just total ***, I'd likely feel safer PLD tanking it as well. Well, I'd likely feel safer PLD tanking most anything, but I have a shiny gold shield to keep me safe. :|
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By Shiva.Khimaira 2010-08-22 18:58:11
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Shiva.Khimaira said: Tinnin can be bitchy, your average DRK couldnt do it. So? I don't do average. I'm talking about the ones who have two brain cells to rub together. The kind that know how to count to 3 and use PDT/MDT kits.
Quote: Most everything was formerly tankable by RDM, didn't make PLD obsolete then. I feel like Im missing something You're missing that your hardon for PLDs doesn't extend to everyone else.
>< What? This thread isnt about the best, or the most impressive way to do things, just whether PLD is still useful. The short answer is yes.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-08-22 18:58:12
Shiva.Khimaira said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: How many people, how skilled, and on what jobs... but the point it it can be done, and honestly with a good group numbers generally aren't an issue because a good DD shouldn't be taking significantly more damage than a PLD in most situations.
The point is not "Can it be done".. Almost everything in this game is possible through different combinations, but that doesn't mean they make other methods, obsolete or pointless. I've heard of BLU tanking JoL, PLD still does that
It does in fact make it pointless. Why take a combination of jobs that makes it slower vs a combination of jobs that makes it faster? If PLD isn't changed then it will become completely worthless @ 99.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-08-22 18:58:46
Shiva.Khimaira said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Shiva.Khimaira said: Tinnin can be bitchy, your average DRK couldnt do it. So? I don't do average. I'm talking about the ones who have two brain cells to rub together. The kind that know how to count to 3 and use PDT/MDT kits.
Quote: Most everything was formerly tankable by RDM, didn't make PLD obsolete then. I feel like Im missing something You're missing that your hardon for PLDs doesn't extend to everyone else.
>< What? This thread isnt about the best, or the most impressive way to do things, just whether PLD is still useful. The short answer is yes.
Efficiency is one of the main aspects of this game.
Not trolling or anything... But really, wouldn't it be better to put a DD in where a PLD normally is in nearly every situation these days?
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