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Is there a point in PLD anymore?
Ragnarok.Anye
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By Ragnarok.Anye 2010-08-22 16:27:56
@ Alymorel and Avelle: What I'd love is to be a useful Paladin, hehe. I'm sorrowfully aware of the current situation in FFXI, though--I think I'll get PLD to 80 and dawdle on a few more jobs. RDM seems close enough. :)
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Phoenix.Avelle
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By Phoenix.Avelle 2010-08-22 16:27:57
Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said: Anye, you should level DRK!
Shares a lot of the gear that PLD has both for melee and for tanking...such as Perle, Homam, PDT and MDT gear etc.
This is actually a pretty good idea, outside of the fact that DRK is a pretty subpar DD. :/
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By Siren.Delirium 2010-08-22 16:29:13
Shiva.Flionheart said: That's pretty much what I'm trying to get across, People waste a spot with a PLD who does average dmg, when they could have a sam, mnk, war etc etc which will deal significantly more damage.
THF??? lol
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Ragnarok.Anye
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By Ragnarok.Anye 2010-08-22 16:29:28
Phoenix.Avelle said: Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said: Anye, you should level DRK!
Shares a lot of the gear that PLD has both for melee and for tanking...such as Perle, Homam, PDT and MDT gear etc.
This is actually a pretty good idea, outside of the fact that DRK is a pretty subpar DD. :/ BLASPHEMY!! Level the complete ANTITHESIS of Paladin!?!
I think not. I'd rather level Puppetmaster.
You heard me.
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By Phoenix.Oumura 2010-08-22 16:29:45
Ragnarok.Anye said: @ Alymorel and Avelle: What I'd love is to be a useful Paladin, hehe. I'm sorrowfully aware of the current situation in FFXI, though--I think I'll get PLD to 80 and dawdle on a few more jobs. RDM seems close enough. :) Don't get stuck in the RDM rut, lol. Can guarantee you the moment people realize you have one, your PLD will virtually disappear in terms how much it will get used in the future.
Ragnarok.Anye said: Phoenix.Avelle said: Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said: Anye, you should level DRK!
Shares a lot of the gear that PLD has both for melee and for tanking...such as Perle, Homam, PDT and MDT gear etc.
This is actually a pretty good idea, outside of the fact that DRK is a pretty subpar DD. :/ BLASPHEMY!! Level the complete ANTITHESIS of Paladin!?!
I think not. I'd rather level Puppetmaster.
You heard me. PUP is still horribly underrated. :\
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-08-22 16:30:09
Phoenix.Avelle said: Ramuh.Dasva said: Ifrit.Darkanaseur said: Useful for high level-low man fights and Odin? Or any heavy magic spamming enemy like Bakka, along with Abyssea t3 mobs. Byakko? That's about all I can think off. I'd rather have a nin tank byakko. Can evade really well How long until a competent DD pulls hate off the nin? The first weaponskill? Sure if your DDs go all ou from the start and you have incompenent nin.
Granted it's a little harder now since the update. But before that it only took a couple of min for a nin/drk to get capped CE. And keeping up capped VE is a cinch
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2010-08-22 16:30:58
Pup is good and fun....level it ^^
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-08-22 16:31:36
Ifrit.Eikechi said: not for Yovra NM in abyssea.... lol Why would you bring either one? Ovni is a mage's fight. Lakshmi.Eron said: Well if SE improved pld anymore....DD wise.....then DD's would mostly just QQ like " ZOMFG a PLD is pasing on par with me!!! NERF him/her! OMGOMGOMGOM/CRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY"
I want to see a monk tank Yilbegan, enough said. Yilbegan is one of the rare situations where PLD truly excels, but partly because one of the best DDs for it is BLU/THF and thus CE generation is easily handled. Phoenix.Oumura said: Phoenix.Avelle said: Ramuh.Dasva said: Ifrit.Darkanaseur said: Useful for high level-low man fights and Odin? Or any heavy magic spamming enemy like Bakka, along with Abyssea t3 mobs. Byakko? That's about all I can think off. I'd rather have a nin tank byakko. Can evade really well
How long until a competent DD pulls hate off the nin? The first weaponskill? ^This. I'd take a PLD tank on Byakko any day. DDs can tank Byakko fine if they know what they're doing.
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Ragnarok.Anye
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By Ragnarok.Anye 2010-08-22 16:31:51
Ifrit.Eikechi said: Pup is good and fun....level it ^^ Too expensive ; ;
It was a joke, anyways :3 No offense to any PUPs! One of my good friends is a sexy PUP.
At any rate, I was going to level WAR for the same reasons Giazz brought DRK up--same DD gear, more or less :)
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By Phoenix.Oumura 2010-08-22 16:33:14
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Yilbegan is one of the rare situations where PLD excels, but largely because one of the best DDs for it is BLU/THF and thus CE generation is easily handled. I absolutely LOVE taking BLU/THF to Yilbegan. :3
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By Quetzalcoatl.Giazz 2010-08-22 16:34:44
Ragnarok.Anye said: Phoenix.Avelle said: Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said: Anye, you should level DRK!
Shares a lot of the gear that PLD has both for melee and for tanking...such as Perle, Homam, PDT and MDT gear etc.
This is actually a pretty good idea, outside of the fact that DRK is a pretty subpar DD. :/ BLASPHEMY!! Level the complete ANTITHESIS of Paladin!?!
I think not. I'd rather level Puppetmaster.
You heard me.
But Anye, you could have two personalities!
Good innocent Anye, and Dark Anye! ... think about the possibilities !
Phoenix.Avelle
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By Phoenix.Avelle 2010-08-22 16:34:57
If they really want to make tanks useful again, they need to remove the 10,000 CE/VE hate ceiling or at least let the tank jobs bypass it. I doubt they really give a ***though at this point, they're too busy making FF14 a worse game than FF11 in every way.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-08-22 16:37:38
Phoenix.Avelle said: If they really want to make tanks useful again, they need to remove the 10,000 CE/VE hate ceiling or at least let the tank jobs bypass it. I doubt they really give a ***though at this point, they're too busy making FF14 a worse game than FF11 in every way. This... and make more nasty mobs that aren't DDtank friendly.
Lakshmi.Mabrook said: Depends on the person playing the job tbh; my PLD has saved and will continue to save lives~ This is true, a DD or BLU who isn't comfortable tanking will easily fall behind a PLD.
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By Asura.Alymorel 2010-08-22 16:37:40
I like war (obviously) and you can still have the PLD heart as a war, while still being versatile. Good choice ma'am! ^^
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2010-08-22 16:37:45
Phoenix.Avelle said: If they really want to make tanks useful again, they need to remove the 10,000 CE/VE hate ceiling or at least let the tank jobs bypass it.
This^ It's HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE having identical hate caps for each job when DDs cap it faster than tanks.
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By Ragnarok.Anye 2010-08-22 16:40:15
Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said: But Anye, you could have two personalities!
Good innocent Anye, and Dark Anye! ... think about the possibilities ! ROFL. That actually works, with my name.
安夜 = anye, "Peaceful night"
埯夜 = anye, "Dark (evil) night"
>;3
Asura.Alymorel said: I like war (obviously) and you can still have the PLD heart as a war, while still being versatile. Good choice ma'am! ^^ /salute! Thank ye kindly!
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-08-22 16:40:58
Ifrit.Darkanaseur said: Phoenix.Avelle said: If they really want to make tanks useful again, they need to remove the 10,000 CE/VE hate ceiling or at least let the tank jobs bypass it. This^ It's HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE having identical hate caps for each job when DDs cap it faster than tanks. Depends on what you are fighting really. Especially as higher lvls bring lower emnity gained per dmg dealt.
Bring more lvl 10 mules for super duper cure cheats!!! And blu/thfs are beastly enough to make even post update rdms keep hate
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2010-08-22 16:41:32
So I took PLD to 80 for nothing? ;; lol
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By Bismarck.Helixx 2010-08-22 16:45:49
PLD is still a great job. Period.
Maybe not the best for every situation, but it shure as hell makes some NM's easier. (JoLove, Byakko. etc)
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By Shiva.Xet 2010-08-22 16:48:22
I still think pld is very useful especially as said if your dd's can /thf.
Can go bat ***crazy in damage and pld is very well suited to absorb it.
In abyssea/dyna/limbus(not bosses)/merit plds only use is mob selection for dds though.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-08-22 16:49:43
Love's questionable, Faust shouldn't require a tank at all, and Byakko's been DDtankable for some time.
Keep in mind you can change jobs in FFXI... it's easy to optimize for a given situation, which is why hybrid jobs tend to fall behind. Versatility in a single job has been superseded by versatility in your job spread :(
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-08-22 16:50:06
Shiva.Xet said: I still think pld is very useful especially as said if your dd's can /thf.
Can go bat ***crazy in damage and pld is very well suited to absorb it.
In abyssea/dyna/limbus(not bosses)/merit plds only use is mob selection for dds though. Yilbegan (and thus BLU) aside, why the hell would you make your DDs /THF?
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By Pandemonium.Kajidourden 2010-08-22 16:50:42
Heh, so glad I left the game when I did. It was already going in a bad direction but now it's just a joke. Pointless jobs (for the most part) or jobs that can be replaced with others more effectively making the first job situational at best. Maybe that will change once they finally incorporate the final level cap and work in their updates.
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By Pandemonium.Kajidourden 2010-08-22 16:51:30
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Shiva.Xet said: I still think pld is very useful especially as said if your dd's can /thf.
Can go bat ***crazy in damage and pld is very well suited to absorb it.
In abyssea/dyna/limbus(not bosses)/merit plds only use is mob selection for dds though. Yilbegan (and thus BLU) aside, why the hell would you make your DDs /THF?
So you can be laughed at.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-08-22 16:52:44
Pandemonium.Kajidourden said: Heh, so glad I left the game when I did. It was already going in a bad direction but now it's just a joke. Pointless jobs (for the most part) or jobs that can be replaced with others more effectively making the first job situational at best. Maybe that will change once they finally incorporate the final level cap and work in their updates. They're sort of getting there. Some jobs that were behind got big updates, others fell behind further... time will tell.
I'm all for making the most out of your favorite jobs but SE has a long way to go to balance things out, and I don't know if they'll pull it off for even most jobs.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Giazz 2010-08-22 16:53:24
Shiva.Xet said: I still think pld is very useful especially as said if your dd's can /thf.
Except DDs shouldn't /thf... as there are more efficient ways to kill your target. You really shouldn't need /thf these days...
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-08-22 16:53:58
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Shiva.Xet said: I still think pld is very useful especially as said if your dd's can /thf. Can go bat ***crazy in damage and pld is very well suited to absorb it. In abyssea/dyna/limbus(not bosses)/merit plds only use is mob selection for dds though. Yilbegan (and thus BLU) aside, why the hell would you make your DDs /THF? When you don't have the support to allow people to feed tp to the mob and so only run in for ws and SA/TA? Plenty of people do stuff without having enough support available and not having low emnity DDs
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-08-22 16:54:45
Ramuh.Dasva said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Shiva.Xet said: I still think pld is very useful especially as said if your dd's can /thf. Can go bat ***crazy in damage and pld is very well suited to absorb it. In abyssea/dyna/limbus(not bosses)/merit plds only use is mob selection for dds though. Yilbegan (and thus BLU) aside, why the hell would you make your DDs /THF? When you don't have the support to allow people to feed tp to the mob and so only run in for ws and SA/TA? You'd get more mileage out of BLMs in this situation.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-08-22 16:55:44
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Ramuh.Dasva said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Shiva.Xet said: I still think pld is very useful especially as said if your dd's can /thf. Can go bat ***crazy in damage and pld is very well suited to absorb it. In abyssea/dyna/limbus(not bosses)/merit plds only use is mob selection for dds though. Yilbegan (and thus BLU) aside, why the hell would you make your DDs /THF? When you don't have the support to allow people to feed tp to the mob and so only run in for ws and SA/TA? You'd get more mileage out of BLMs in this situation. Sure. If you have them. And you don't mind waiting on hate and such. Lately I've been dealing with people with limited amount of jobs lvld /cry
Not trolling or anything... But really, wouldn't it be better to put a DD in where a PLD normally is in nearly every situation these days?
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