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Is there a point in PLD anymore?
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2010-10-09 05:00:26
alex398 said: hey darkanaseur, you are completely HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE proven by this quote you posted quote: Majority of HNMs are better tanked by DDs than pld , DUDE do you type withought thinking?? HNM needs Pld tank no way around it and oh yea Pld good for low man group only, another gay *** message.
You are trolling right? HNMs need a PLD to kill? Sounds like a nice backwater LS.
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 Cerberus.Valmur
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By Cerberus.Valmur 2010-10-09 05:00:47
I would take a pld to tiamat...but thats it >.> war mnk etc can tank way better
 Gilgamesh.Thedreamer
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By Gilgamesh.Thedreamer 2010-10-09 06:10:53
Yeah pld is dead ! dont play it ! srly
(will give my pld more spots thx w)
By Artemicion 2010-10-09 06:12:24
It's still fun to play ._.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-10-09 06:12:33
Gilgamesh.Thedreamer said: Yeah pld is dead ! dont play it ! srly
(will give my pld more spots thx w)
I'd retire it if I were you.
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By Bahamut.Aiyana 2010-10-09 06:32:30
Artemicion said: It's still fun to play ._.
Fun != FFXI. GTFO here cat.
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By Asura.Matzilla 2010-10-09 06:43:20
pld is just a safety net for us :s thats it and thats all
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By Cerberus.Neojuggernaut 2010-10-09 07:00:37
For some fights, and the one that comes to mind is one of my LS's strat to fighting Glavoid, Paladin is good for fight control. For DD's to hold hate, they have to be doing just that...DD'ing. For Glavoid, we hold heavy melee damage until he begins casting Quake II (which is quite frequent). While we wait on Meditate/JAs/etc, Paladin just holds the NM. Not sure how others do this fight, but for the sake of this example, Paladin is a great way to control damage taken and MP usage by others.
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2010-10-09 07:26:52
PLD is a decent enough tank to throw into any situation. Almost any situation using a PLD is unlikely to be optimal, for instance with the Glavoid above you're better off with RDM tanks and SMN DDs (with RDMs nuking as well) but ***is situational as always.
I don't think PLD is useless but it is using a lot of its utility.
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By Phoenix.Stridentzephon 2010-10-09 16:27:33
Seriously are we asking this question? DDs do alot of damage on normal and even some HLNM mobs but hate control PLDs are needed for and some PLDs do decently on damage output.
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2010-10-09 16:37:25
Phoenix.Stridentzephon said: Seriously are we asking this question? DDs do alot of damage on normal and even some HLNM mobs but hate control PLDs are needed for and some PLDs do decently on damage output.
Pretty much everything outside Abyssea (sans Odin and some others) can be tanked by, and killed faster by having a DD. And in Abyssea PLD can't DD at all, Atonement doing 50% DMG for some ungodly reason. So no, you don't need a PLD for very much, which is the point.
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By Phoenix.Fredjan 2010-10-09 16:50:57
RDM/NIN survives much better than a PLD, and is friendlier for 3 manning abyssea nms.
BLU destroys PLD in terms of enmity
And so does a MNK.
It sucks that RDM can't generate much enmity, though.... but that doesn't change anything for (like I said) 3-manning nms
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By Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra 2010-10-09 17:35:38
The fewer highly knowledgeable players you have, the better PLD proportionately becomes for the group.
Bahamut.Aiyana
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By Bahamut.Aiyana 2010-10-09 18:00:20
Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra said: The fewer highly knowledgeable players you have, the better PLD proportionately becomes for the group.
In other words...
The more you suck as a whole, the better PLD is for your group of.. suck.
Suck less? :3
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By Phoenix.Excelior 2010-10-09 18:10:30
Ifrit.Darkanaseur said: Phoenix.Stridentzephon said: Seriously are we asking this question? DDs do alot of damage on normal and even some HLNM mobs but hate control PLDs are needed for and some PLDs do decently on damage output. Pretty much everything outside Abyssea (sans Odin and some others) can be tanked by, and killed faster by having a DD. And in Abyssea PLD can't DD at all, Atonement doing 50% DMG for some ungodly reason. So no, you don't need a PLD for very much, which is the point.
I tank odin as drk with NP. From old content the only thing you would be better off using pld for would be:
Jailer of Temperance
Jailer of Prudence
Jailer of Love
Jailer of Hope(Maybe can use DD here)
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By Titan.Cripnicc 2010-10-09 18:18:30
All this PLD hate talk is making me sick. PLD with good gear is great to have around. Also PLD/DNC is fun to solo with
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By Leviathan.Quetzacoatl 2010-10-09 19:00:33
hi2u spinning slash?
Seriously though, I find it ironic how we said we don't have enough tanks, and now people are starting to realize they can tank with jobs that OBVIOUSLY had their own defensive maneuvers anyway. So the 2 former heavyweights are now at a balance war between 5 other jobs that are going to or have been willing to step up to the plate.
Just wait until they throw in mobs that deal 700 damage per hit and could potentially one-shot DD tanks.
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By Bahamut.Aiyana 2010-10-09 19:09:22
Leviathan.Quetzacoatl said: hi2u spinning slash?
Seriously though, I find it ironic how we said we don't have enough tanks, and now people are starting to realize they can tank with jobs that OBVIOUSLY had their own defensive maneuvers anyway. So the 2 former heavyweights are now at a balance war between 5 other jobs that are going to or have been willing to step up to the plate.
Just wait until they throw in mobs that deal 700 damage per hit and could potentially one-shot DD tanks.
Mobs could hit for 1000+ per hit. However, if they never hit you.. Does it matter what job you are on? /nin is broken.
There are also quite a few mobs that can one-shot DDs, but that doesn't stop skilled DD from tanking them anyway (without dying).
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-10-09 19:16:12
Leviathan.Quetzacoatl said: hi2u spinning slash?
Seriously though, I find it ironic how we said we don't have enough tanks, and now people are starting to realize they can tank with jobs that OBVIOUSLY had their own defensive maneuvers anyway. So the 2 former heavyweights are now at a balance war between 5 other jobs that are going to or have been willing to step up to the plate.
Just wait until they throw in mobs that deal 700 damage per hit and could potentially one-shot DD tanks. MNK has more HP than PLD!
Also, atmas make damage taken a lot less threatening~ Have more than enough MP to cure it up now.
Phoenix.Excelior said: I tank odin as drk with NP. From old content the only thing you would be better off using pld for would be:
Jailer of Temperance
Jailer of Prudence
Jailer of Love
Jailer of Hope(Maybe can use DD here) What do you mean by tanking Temperance? Haven't fought Prudence post-update, Fantod pretty much ended any argument against BLU on Love, dunno about Hope either.
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By Fenrir.Yinsha 2010-10-09 19:18:39
Paladins are still useful for things that spam Magic and Elemental weaponskills/damage. /thread
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-10-09 19:21:22
Fenrir.Yinsha said: Paladins are still useful for things that spam Magic and Elemental weaponskills/damage. /thread I'll let this one sit for a bit, I hear trolling takes time to proc.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra 2010-10-09 20:58:22
Bahamut.Aiyana said: Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra said: The fewer highly knowledgeable players you have, the better PLD proportionately becomes for the group.
In other words...
The more you suck as a whole, the better PLD is for your group of.. suck.
Suck less? :3
Exactly.
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By Bahamut.Serj 2010-10-09 22:00:51
Fenrir.Yinsha said: Paladins are still useful for things that spam Magic and Elemental weaponskills/damage. /thread
*** that. Whm tanks are the way to go for that!
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By Phoenix.Excelior 2010-10-09 22:14:22
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Leviathan.Quetzacoatl said: hi2u spinning slash? Seriously though, I find it ironic how we said we don't have enough tanks, and now people are starting to realize they can tank with jobs that OBVIOUSLY had their own defensive maneuvers anyway. So the 2 former heavyweights are now at a balance war between 5 other jobs that are going to or have been willing to step up to the plate. Just wait until they throw in mobs that deal 700 damage per hit and could potentially one-shot DD tanks. MNK has more HP than PLD! Also, atmas make damage taken a lot less threatening~ Have more than enough MP to cure it up now. Phoenix.Excelior said: I tank odin as drk with NP. From old content the only thing you would be better off using pld for would be: Jailer of Temperance Jailer of Prudence Jailer of Love Jailer of Hope(Maybe can use DD here) What do you mean by tanking Temperance? Haven't fought Prudence post-update, Fantod pretty much ended any argument against BLU on Love, dunno about Hope either.
When I fight temperance I duo it as pld and rdm. What do you do? Solo it with cor or smn?
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By Cerberus.Oseryu 2010-10-09 22:19:14
Ninja tank gogogogo
NUFF SAID :D
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By Fenrir.Yinsha 2010-10-09 22:21:59
Bahamut.Serj said: Fenrir.Yinsha said: Paladins are still useful for things that spam Magic and Elemental weaponskills/damage. /thread
*** that. Whm tanks are the way to go for that! When WHM obtains access to Aegis and Blessed gear +1 without -enmity let me know.
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By Bahamut.Serj 2010-10-09 22:22:38
Cerberus.Oseryu said: Ninja tank gogogogo
NUFF SAID :D 
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By Bahamut.Aiyana 2010-10-09 22:25:53
Fenrir.Yinsha said: Bahamut.Serj said: Fenrir.Yinsha said: Paladins are still useful for things that spam Magic and Elemental weaponskills/damage. /thread
*** that. Whm tanks are the way to go for that! When WHM obtains access to Aegis and Blessed gear +1 without -enmity let me know.
+/- enmity has no real bearing on enmity generation. It helps, but it is not necessary when tanking.. (Outdated idea. Apparently this is pointless with DDs just raping the ***out of everything.) More enmity can be gained with just having capped recasts and spamming medium-high enmity actions as fast as possible. I think in the case of whm, a Yagrush and tightly-packed group are required to tank with spamming -na spells for enmity... Or perhaps Cure VI cheats with lolAbyssea hp/mp ratios.
What exactly does Aegis have to do with anything? Now, I'm not exactly sure what gear whm can wear to cap -MDT (Which is ALL Aegis is good for.) but it shouldn't be that hard. (And IS possible with ***like D.ring/Minerva's Ring/Vallus grip.)
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By Cerberus.Oseryu 2010-10-09 22:27:15
Bahamut.Serj said: Cerberus.Oseryu said: Ninja tank gogogogo NUFF SAID :D YES sirrrrrr
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2010-10-09 22:29:06
Blu is the best job at getting hate without giving any and arguably the best when casting dmg spells too.
And has a survivability that is just below rdm.
Not trolling or anything... But really, wouldn't it be better to put a DD in where a PLD normally is in nearly every situation these days?
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