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 Cerberus.Senkyuutai
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2013-08-17 22:06:17
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First match was smooth, second match people started to show anger, third match some people went full rage mode, it was literally solo queue.

I learned my lesson, anger was clearly not kept at the front door and any attempt at discussing it calmly resulted in childish behaviour from some of the people.

Never again, thanks for the first two matches though, I had fun despite the anger that people had already brought.
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By Fairy.Spence 2013-08-17 22:08:42
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Haha I bet I know who got mad
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By Lakshmi.Registry 2013-08-17 22:38:11
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Awwww... Some friends ended up stopping by so I missed it.
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By Odin.Minefield 2013-08-17 22:41:23
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You didn't miss much, it went smooth at the start and had a good time, but ***got sour fast.

W/e though, I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
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By Shiva.Gansito 2013-08-17 22:41:33
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Lakshmi.Registry said: »
Awwww... Some friends ended up stopping by so I missed it.
Lol you missed me getting stomped ><
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By Odin.Hirokei 2013-08-17 22:47:52
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Lol guess I'm glad I didn't get an invite to the second match
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By Shiva.Gansito 2013-08-17 23:14:53
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I thought it was fun. Always good to play with a a community and be able to laugh about it afterwards. I wouln't mind getting a rematch after some practice top.
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For those who want advice on how to control your lane if you're an ADC.
Depending on what you're support is, what ADC you are, and whom you're going against. You can be aggressive in a variety of ways. However the best way to be aggressive is to be aggressive mechanically.

You do this by simple giving an auto attack to their ADC or support when they go to try to last hit. You especially want to do this when they go for a cannon minion. Attack with abilities is not always the best because some abilities are quite useful when you're actually going to commit to the fight and you need them up, and some of them make you vulnerable (ex: cait's Q or varus's Q; as they stop you're movement or make you move slower)

The shorter ranged ADC's like vayne, quinn, graves; most of your aggression comes from your abilities because the're more of a burst champion and their abilities don't make them vulnerable (Except Quinn because the best way to harass imo is with her E to abuse her passive and that basically forces her to go all in some cases). So buckshotting to clear waves while hitting the enemy champ is also a bonus and having to tumble to hit a champ is also good.

However you'll have to be wary of your lane status. Such as, is an enemy jungler coming in? Whats the minion situation like : is there a large minion wave, do you have a large wave pushing. Things like that.
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From what I observed from the first/second game. (I hate blind pick btw)
If you're top lane and you're struggling to keep it. The best thing you can do is tell you're jungler you need ganks. And the best way to get ganks is to ward your lane. Basically it comes down to it, Play safe. Hug your tower if you need it, and ward up so you know you won't get dived and so your jungler knows its safe to come gank. IF you're winning top lane super hard, best thing you can do is ward up and keep pushing to apply pressure to top. This frees up pressure from mid/bottom. If the enemy doesn't come, its basically free turrets.

For middle lane. You and the jungler basically control the flow of the game. From a certain point in the lane phase (lv. 6+ usually) You'll want to start trying to control the jungle so you can roam. Best way to do this is ward your lane, know which direction the enemy jungler goes to gank. Farm up, push our lane out and roam. If you start roaming as mid, to bottom~ and you can apply pressure there, this gives opportunities to take jungle buffs and dragon, OR even win bottom lane by taking a turret. Going top allows for your top laner to get back into the game or get an advantage over the other guy. This role is basically the team leader's roll. winning or losing mid opens up huge opportunities to be taken. Such as massive map control and global objectives and jungle buffs.

ADC/Support bot lane is basically going to be the bread and butter of the team. IF this lane falls off, its not that easy to catch up. Late game, the majority of the consistent damage is going to come from the ADC. However its up to the support to carry the ADC through lane phase. Warding appropriately and communicating with the ADC helps tremendously on decisions as when to go in, who's coming to gank. Opportunities of interest. Things of that nature. Don't be afraid to auto attack or fire off an ability to harass the enemy ADC. However don't put yourself in a predicament to where it cripples your lane because you wanted to go ward when it wasn't safe. Communication is the key to the lane.

For the junglers, basically when the game starts off, Your team needs to guard your buffs. Because losing out on jungle buffs cripples you early on. Especially on the slower junglers. Once you get your buffs and you want to gank. Check to see if you can make a successful gank. If the situation doesn't look appealing, don't go for it, keep farming your jungle. If a lane needs you, assist when you can, but don't put yourself in danger to where it hurts the lane that you're trying to help out. IF you do make a successful gank. Try pushing the lane and get some damage on the tower or go for an objective. Ganks become kinda pointless at some point if you're not going to take an objective from a successful one.

imo those are my observations.
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By Areayea 2013-08-18 00:16:22
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lol I kinda wish I played, but ended up doing some games with some other buddys that I always play with, was fun XD
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By Asura.Lolserj 2013-08-18 00:43:00
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Odin.Hirokei said: »
Lol guess I'm glad I didn't get an invite to the second match

I literally just couldn't keep track of who was playing, sorry
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By Areayea 2013-08-18 00:44:51
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these 2 in a combo - op >.> lol, i kinda don't understand why everyone rages about losing, there are games you can't win XD, just cuz the other team outplayed you...
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By Asura.Lolserj 2013-08-18 01:05:53
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volkom said: »
For those who want advice on how to control your lane if you're an ADC.
Depending on what you're support is, what ADC you are, and whom you're going against. You can be aggressive in a variety of ways. However the best way to be aggressive is to be aggressive mechanically.

You do this by simple giving an auto attack to their ADC or support when they go to try to last hit. You especially want to do this when they go for a cannon minion. Attack with abilities is not always the best because some abilities are quite useful when you're actually going to commit to the fight and you need them up, and some of them make you vulnerable (ex: cait's Q or varus's Q; as they stop you're movement or make you move slower)

The shorter ranged ADC's like vayne, quinn, graves; most of your aggression comes from your abilities because the're more of a burst champion and their abilities don't make them vulnerable (Except Quinn because the best way to harass imo is with her E to abuse her passive and that basically forces her to go all in some cases). So buckshotting to clear waves while hitting the enemy champ is also a bonus and having to tumble to hit a champ is also good.

However you'll have to be wary of your lane status. Such as, is an enemy jungler coming in? Whats the minion situation like : is there a large minion wave, do you have a large wave pushing. Things like that.
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From what I observed from the first/second game. (I hate blind pick btw)
If you're top lane and you're struggling to keep it. The best thing you can do is tell you're jungler you need ganks. And the best way to get ganks is to ward your lane. Basically it comes down to it, Play safe. Hug your tower if you need it, and ward up so you know you won't get dived and so your jungler knows its safe to come gank. IF you're winning top lane super hard, best thing you can do is ward up and keep pushing to apply pressure to top. This frees up pressure from mid/bottom. If the enemy doesn't come, its basically free turrets.

For middle lane. You and the jungler basically control the flow of the game. From a certain point in the lane phase (lv. 6+ usually) You'll want to start trying to control the jungle so you can roam. Best way to do this is ward your lane, know which direction the enemy jungler goes to gank. Farm up, push our lane out and roam. If you start roaming as mid, to bottom~ and you can apply pressure there, this gives opportunities to take jungle buffs and dragon, OR even win bottom lane by taking a turret. Going top allows for your top laner to get back into the game or get an advantage over the other guy. This role is basically the team leader's roll. winning or losing mid opens up huge opportunities to be taken. Such as massive map control and global objectives and jungle buffs.

ADC/Support bot lane is basically going to be the bread and butter of the team. IF this lane falls off, its not that easy to catch up. Late game, the majority of the consistent damage is going to come from the ADC. However its up to the support to carry the ADC through lane phase. Warding appropriately and communicating with the ADC helps tremendously on decisions as when to go in, who's coming to gank. Opportunities of interest. Things of that nature. Don't be afraid to auto attack or fire off an ability to harass the enemy ADC. However don't put yourself in a predicament to where it cripples your lane because you wanted to go ward when it wasn't safe. Communication is the key to the lane.

For the junglers, basically when the game starts off, Your team needs to guard your buffs. Because losing out on jungle buffs cripples you early on. Especially on the slower junglers. Once you get your buffs and you want to gank. Check to see if you can make a successful gank. If the situation doesn't look appealing, don't go for it, keep farming your jungle. If a lane needs you, assist when you can, but don't put yourself in danger to where it hurts the lane that you're trying to help out. IF you do make a successful gank. Try pushing the lane and get some damage on the tower or go for an objective. Ganks become kinda pointless at some point if you're not going to take an objective from a successful one.

imo those are my observations.

I would disagree with these being the things necessary to work on for people having issues as everyone I've noticed having issues in lane (including yourself. I did spectate the first game)

It's basically your confidence on a champion or in a lane, and the only way you're going to get confident on a champion is by falling flat on your *** face. Just remember to actually notice when something like you dying 1v1 happens and instead of saying something like "Fiora is so broken, I hate that champion" think of what you should have done differently or what could have caused you to win the trade. Doing things like that will teach you when you're able to go in and fight another laner and kill them based on items and matchups.

I'm noticing people being overconfident and dying stupidly 1v1 because they think they're stronger than the opponent, and I'm noticing people get away with slivers of health on what could have been an easy kill

Working on your confidence in lane should be a major priority because that is what will win your lane most of the time. Basically, knowing what the *** to do in a specific situation does sort of help

I need to work on this too, everyone does
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By Asura.Lolserj 2013-08-18 01:13:03
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Obviously those are good points, but those are things that come naturally

If you need someone to tell you that overextending and dying is bad, and that getting a ward down may save your life then I'm sorry I don't have any advice that will actually help you

you should pick up things like that through playing if you actually pay attention to the mini-map or *** ups like when you don't know where your lane-partner is and all the sudden ahri gets a double kill bot lane. Next time ward so she can't just roll up on bot lane undetected(they should ward their tri-bush and river, sure, but the extra 5-10 seconds of warning you give them with another ward will help a lot)

Things like that should just come through experience
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By Asura.Lolserj 2013-08-18 01:19:58
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The point I'm trying to make is, if you don't pick those things up after playing the game for as long as some of you have been you either are playing the game and don't really care to improve(which is completely fine, if you play this game and you're having fun with it more power to you) or you're playing this game and trying to win and improve and get as good as you can

and if you're the latter and you're in games not picking these things up naturally and are losing ranked games and are stuck in bronze 3 or silver 4 but you're "at least gold" then maybe you aren't as good as you say you are. Maybe you're actually where you belong, maybe you're bad at this game. I'm not saying this to be discouraging. Look for your own mistakes, and look to improve. Because right now, if you can't pick things like that up. You're bad.
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By Shiva.Gansito 2013-08-18 01:53:54
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2013-08-18 03:09:54
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hahaha people raged that hard over a custom? It IS League, I suppose.
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By Shiva.Gansito 2013-08-18 03:45:04
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i was having fun. Just running around scratching things.
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By Fenrir.Tsuji 2013-08-18 06:01:00
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Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »
First match was smooth, second match people started to show anger, third match some people went full rage mode, it was literally solo queue.

I learned my lesson, anger was clearly not kept at the front door and any attempt at discussing it calmly resulted in childish behaviour from some of the people.

Never again, thanks for the first two matches though, I had fun despite the anger that people had already brought.
Pretty much agree there, I could feel from the second match that things were going sour pretty fast. Had to leave after so I couldn't join the third match, but it sounds like it was pretty bad.

The first match was IMO perfect. I had a total hiccup in the jungle against Udyr, got my buffs stolen (both of them) and was well behind in the jungle. But I managed to farm up and turn it around and got successful ganks set up, along with farming the enemy jungle since he liked being in mine.
So I learned that I can do something about the enemy jungler. You just need lots of vision through wards and know the buff timers of your enemy jungler. Perfect for me because I am always lost when it comes to counter junglers. :)

Second match didn't go so hot. Long story short, I felt it got to a point where none of us could learn anything from it, after we only got 3 kills and I think the enemy team had 13. It gets to a stage where you don't really know how to turn it around. The point of the matches was to learn as much as you could (or so I thought), so I felt the second match was simply worse overall in this regard.

Other than that, one pro tip for everyone... don't rage. We were playing together for fun and to learn. Even in the second match where I was getting stomped, I didn't rage. In the end I knew when to call it quits, but no raging. Should know better than that.
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By Areayea 2013-08-18 11:11:24
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Fenrir.Tsuji said: »
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »
First match was smooth, second match people started to show anger, third match some people went full rage mode, it was literally solo queue.

I learned my lesson, anger was clearly not kept at the front door and any attempt at discussing it calmly resulted in childish behaviour from some of the people.

Never again, thanks for the first two matches though, I had fun despite the anger that people had already brought.
Pretty much agree there, I could feel from the second match that things were going sour pretty fast. Had to leave after so I couldn't join the third match, but it sounds like it was pretty bad.

The first match was IMO perfect. I had a total hiccup in the jungle against Udyr, got my buffs stolen (both of them) and was well behind in the jungle. But I managed to farm up and turn it around and got successful ganks set up, along with farming the enemy jungle since he liked being in mine.
So I learned that I can do something about the enemy jungler. You just need lots of vision through wards and know the buff timers of your enemy jungler. Perfect for me because I am always lost when it comes to counter junglers. :)

Second match didn't go so hot. Long story short, I felt it got to a point where none of us could learn anything from it, after we only got 3 kills and I think the enemy team had 13. It gets to a stage where you don't really know how to turn it around. The point of the matches was to learn as much as you could (or so I thought), so I felt the second match was simply worse overall in this regard.

Other than that, one pro tip for everyone... don't rage. We were playing together for fun and to learn. Even in the second match where I was getting stomped, I didn't rage. In the end I knew when to call it quits, but no raging. Should know better than that.


just sounds like half the players who play this game :O, IMO I see this game as you HAVE to lose sometimes so no real reason to get mad. as for the invades, what I recommend is think of how they think you're going to react, and do the opposite, so for example, if you are going against a lee sin and you saw him take your red through your adc/top, go directly to his red and go back to your blue, that way he can't be in 2 places at once, or if they do a standard blue invade, just run away and take their red, or if you saw all 5 then their blue but get blue and get out fast... I've had a lot of practice with this as I main jungle XD, I just got owned in a game cuz someone wanted to play mid soraka and fed ; ; and we had an amumu supp that didn't build mr even though most team was all AP, oh well, again you gotta lose some to win some.

Edit: Also remember that purpose for invades (traditional) are to get first blood so if your team runs away fast enough they won't get it.
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By Asura.Odakasan 2013-08-18 12:38:22
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is this how i into aram.?

ended game with 7.8k in the bank XD
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2013-08-18 12:40:13
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Areayea said: »
Fenrir.Tsuji said: »
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »
First match was smooth, second match people started to show anger, third match some people went full rage mode, it was literally solo queue.

I learned my lesson, anger was clearly not kept at the front door and any attempt at discussing it calmly resulted in childish behaviour from some of the people.

Never again, thanks for the first two matches though, I had fun despite the anger that people had already brought.
Pretty much agree there, I could feel from the second match that things were going sour pretty fast. Had to leave after so I couldn't join the third match, but it sounds like it was pretty bad.

The first match was IMO perfect. I had a total hiccup in the jungle against Udyr, got my buffs stolen (both of them) and was well behind in the jungle. But I managed to farm up and turn it around and got successful ganks set up, along with farming the enemy jungle since he liked being in mine.
So I learned that I can do something about the enemy jungler. You just need lots of vision through wards and know the buff timers of your enemy jungler. Perfect for me because I am always lost when it comes to counter junglers. :)

Second match didn't go so hot. Long story short, I felt it got to a point where none of us could learn anything from it, after we only got 3 kills and I think the enemy team had 13. It gets to a stage where you don't really know how to turn it around. The point of the matches was to learn as much as you could (or so I thought), so I felt the second match was simply worse overall in this regard.

Other than that, one pro tip for everyone... don't rage. We were playing together for fun and to learn. Even in the second match where I was getting stomped, I didn't rage. In the end I knew when to call it quits, but no raging. Should know better than that.


just sounds like half the players who play this game :O, IMO I see this game as you HAVE to lose sometimes so no real reason to get mad. as for the invades, what I recommend is think of how they think you're going to react, and do the opposite, so for example, if you are going against a lee sin and you saw him take your red through your adc/top, go directly to his red and go back to your blue, that way he can't be in 2 places at once, or if they do a standard blue invade, just run away and take their red, or if you saw all 5 then their blue but get blue and get out fast... I've had a lot of practice with this as I main jungle XD, I just got owned in a game cuz someone wanted to play mid soraka and fed ; ; and we had an amumu supp that didn't build mr even though most team was all AP, oh well, again you gotta lose some to win some.

Edit: Also remember that purpose for invades (traditional) are to get first blood so if your team runs away fast enough they won't get it.
Keep in mind that even if champs are AP based, they do not automatically deal Magical damage, same goes for AD champs.

Good example: Lee's E. Maxing it first in top lane allows for some nice cheese.
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By Ragnarok.Hevans 2013-08-18 17:17:05
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i found that the only thing i was annoyed by last night was something in the last game. we had one person not doing much to help the team, and when another team mate of mine said something to the extent of, "hey it would help if you could try to have an impact in the game", the person started blaming everyone else. instead of just saying, "my bad i'll try to do more", they gave a *** explanation for how it wasn't their fault and imo in a kind of rude manner. that's when i realized i hated that person and wanted them to know it. i think there's a difference between rage and telling someone off a bit. it's nice if you're "just having fun", but remember that your actions are wasting other peoples time and it's not fun for them. accept a bit of criticism like a man, don't make excuses, and then maybe people wont get mad at you. i know i for one over extended a bit and got *** over early. at that point i needed some help, because it wasn't 1v1 i was losing.

anyway, i for one get mad in games when i do bad, or other people don't do anything to help the situation. i get mad at myself, and people who say dumb ***to my team mates. i never carry anger past the stat screen.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2013-08-18 18:10:43
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The only person to have been remotely decent when talking was Deus Ex Felina. I don't know what he/she really thought, but I respect the attitude shown. Dajociont was fine too when pointing out where I failed, until he was blinded by "I'm defending my friend" and just kept repeating himself over and over.

You complained, whined, cried, gave excuses, you made it absolutely unbearable for anyone in the both matches you were invited. You were literally up to the worst I have seen in solo queue, whether it is in the depth of Bronze or the depth of my negative normal MMR.

You threw blame, you begged for positions, you had a very bad attitude, you used words you shouldn't have, you acted like a 12 years old.

I have no idea if your friends told you anything during that game, I'm not part of your inner circle, but you were absolutely cancerous. I hope to never play with you again. I'm not the kind to carry stuff past the game, but you absolutely ruined what was supposed to be a fun experience.

You think I had fun when you fed mid and didn't buy a single ward, just overextenting 24/7, dying and then blowing up on me when I told Chuuuu, the person who shoved her lane for 15min while having 30CS and Ganzo 80, backing off when I tried to gank?

I mean come on now. Your ***did stink, Chuuuu's ***did stink and she had 0 right to open her mouth. Why do you think I kept silent the whole match? Because I was playing like ***, I didn't even contest it. The fact that you and others blew up when being talked back was plain wrong, you should have 1) shut up at first, 2) understood that you were as much in the wrong as I was.

TL;DR: I took the criticism and explained why some of it was unjstified, while completely accepting the afk jungle part. You, however, acted like a child during 2 matches and talked in a way that made you look like a *** retard.

Get the *** out, you're a joke.

Of course, not being part of the group of friend doesn't give me much credibility within your circle jerk, but I take pleasure in letting that out.
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By Odin.Hirokei 2013-08-18 18:17:31
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By Ragnarok.Hevans 2013-08-18 18:32:24
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while there was a group of people that play consistently together, the inner circle comment kinda makes me laugh. i personally hadn't played with most people in that group for quite awhile. so the whole idea that it was a group of friends ganging up on you is silly.

yes, after the game you did say the afk jungler comment was justified. however, you're also saying that someone, "didn't have the right to open their mouth". i think that sums up the level of arrogance and douchness your attitude showed. i spent the entire game not bitching about how their jungler was in every lane doing ***, while you went to lanes to do nothing other than take some farm and push them out in the process. however, the FIRST time someone said something to you, you acted like an *** about it. you just started spamming, "ohh can't have fun. fun is banned.". at that point i felt like telling you off. i told you were an *** and that i realized after one game that i hated you. i was done there, but you kept going so i responded. i was just trying to salvage some fun.

i've always been open about being an ***. for all the calm you claim to have exhibited, i remember you telling me at one point you'd ruin me if you wanted to.
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By Asura.Dajociont 2013-08-18 19:13:28
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i wasn't defending anyone, i was the only one that said no one wants to spend 20+ minutes in a game when you know you're gonna lose because your jungler just sits at camps waiting for them to respawn. jarvan, vayne, and janna were pushing bot and took the tower while you did wolves, then blue, then back to wolves. deus ex felina and i only stayed in lane because we saw you at blue so we thought you'd come, but you just continued farming. i wasn't rude or "blinded" by anything, i was calm and simply suggested not wasting other's time if your definition of fun is just farming the jungle on a jungler like zac. i didn't even say anything else but that in the after game chat.
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By Asura.Odakasan 2013-08-18 19:13:56
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Someone's a serious hardass.

Lighten up, guy. If I play with friends (like I played with them again for the first time in ever just the other day) then I couldn't care less how terrible they are. Maybe they're just havin' a bad game or they're just messing around. Doesn't bother me.

Edit: Then again, I know nothing of this situation. Regardless my post doesn't change.
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By Bahamut.Serj 2013-08-18 19:19:30
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Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »
TL;DR: I took the criticism and explained why some of it was unjstified

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Get the *** out, you're a joke.

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while completely accepting the afk jungle part.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2013-08-18 19:56:40
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Asura.Odakasan said: »
Someone's a serious hardass.

Lighten up, guy. If I play with friends (like I played with them again for the first time in ever just the other day) then I couldn't care less how terrible they are. Maybe they're just havin' a bad game or they're just messing around. Doesn't bother me.

Edit: Then again, I know nothing of this situation. Regardless my post doesn't change.
That was the first goal we had and most of us followed it.

The problem is, I'm not part of their circlejerk.

Therefore, they are allowed to play badly, "waste" their own time and the time of their friends, but I am not allowed to play badly and "waste" their times.
Double standard. But hey, they have to come at 3 of them to back up each others even when they are as wrong as they person they gang up on.

Maybe one day they'll realize how stupid they are and they'll grow up in life. Until then, they'll remain people who may play better than X or Y but are absolutely trash when it comes to the actual person.

I don't even have to call them teenagers at this point, posts like Serj's are doing it for me.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2013-08-18 20:08:46
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Ragnarok.Hevans said: »
while there was a group of people that play consistently together, the inner circle comment kinda makes me laugh. i personally hadn't played with most people in that group for quite awhile. so the whole idea that it was a group of friends ganging up on you is silly.

yes, after the game you did say the afk jungler comment was justified. however, you're also saying that someone, "didn't have the right to open their mouth". i think that sums up the level of arrogance and douchness your attitude showed. i spent the entire game not bitching about how their jungler was in every lane doing ***, while you went to lanes to do nothing other than take some farm and push them out in the process. however, the FIRST time someone said something to you, you acted like an *** about it. you just started spamming, "ohh can't have fun. fun is banned.". at that point i felt like telling you off. i told you were an *** and that i realized after one game that i hated you. i was done there, but you kept going so i responded. i was just trying to salvage some fun.

i've always been open about being an ***. for all the calm you claim to have exhibited, i remember you telling me at one point you'd ruin me if you wanted to.
Well, tell this to your boy Serj and to Dajociont yesterday who showed no objectivity in his comment post match. Same goes for you and Chuuu during the match.

You spent 2 matches bitching about so much, not bitching about one thing isn't gonna make you look better. The point was that we would play and not *** at all. Play bad, and not ***. You didn't get the point, you were the only one (along with Chuuu, but much less so).

As for the last part regarding me "ruining you", of course. Obviously it wouldn't have had any impact since I was literally 1v9 in this argument, but you would have eaten my previous post straight away, you really deserved it. You acted in such a way, it was just wrong.

On one side you have people who had issues with play quality, which was the one and only thing to ignore during the whole night, and on the other side you have a guy shitting on you for being a literal ***stain of a human.
Do you understand this nuance?

There were 2 conclusions to make after this night:

1) I'm ***at this game
2) You and Chuuu should have never been invited

It's very simple, we don't have to spend 2 pages on this. If she wants to defend herself and keep the discussion going on that's her choice, but unless you are down right of bad faith, you can hardly deny anything I have said against any of you.

I just don't understand how you guys can get literally mad over someone playing bad when playing bad was to be expected yet everyone is fine with acting like a complete retard and ruining the whole point of the matches we did. This is just laughable at this point.

Asura.Dajociont said: »
i wasn't defending anyone, i was the only one that said no one wants to spend 20+ minutes in a game when you know you're gonna lose because your jungler just sits at camps waiting for them to respawn. jarvan, vayne, and janna were pushing bot and took the tower while you did wolves, then blue, then back to wolves. deus ex felina and i only stayed in lane because we saw you at blue so we thought you'd come, but you just continued farming. i wasn't rude or "blinded" by anything, i was calm and simply suggested not wasting other's time if your definition of fun is just farming the jungle on a jungler like zac. i didn't even say anything else but that in the after game chat.
That was still a lack of objectivity.

Sure I did afk farm and as I said, I completely didn't watch bottom the whole match. That much, I said it, I explained. The issue comes when you say that I make things not fun for other people when laners themselves did things that made the very few attempts outside the jungle I made a disaster.

That's my only issue, the lack of objectivity. Either you are objective, like the first posts were, or you are what you did.
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