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 Asura.Lolserj
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By Asura.Lolserj 2012-08-17 20:12:50
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Because people can just get cleanse and make your Q irrelevant

but yeah I'm just going to block you
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By Diabolos.Raelia 2012-08-17 20:13:32
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10 * 0.8 (25 mRes from Merc Treads) * 1.08 (Level 3 Q) = 8.64 magic damage.

Math is hard.
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By Fenrir.Stiklelf 2012-08-17 20:16:26
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That much math put into a game makes it surprisingly more dull! :D
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By Diabolos.Raelia 2012-08-17 20:19:43
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Fenrir.Stiklelf said: »
That much math put into a game makes it surprisingly more dull! :D
Yeah, like I said. That can sometimes be LoL's appeal, but it can also make for a dumb playerbase that only knows how to press buttons in a certain order.

Could be worse. Syndra could be locked into one skill having those bonuses like lolViktor.

How about we choose whether to take a second point in W or E at level 5 based on who we're laning against? Adaptability too stronk a concept for LoL I guess.
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By Bismarck.Rharmony 2012-08-17 20:45:40
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This thread makes me sad.
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By Ultrarichard 2012-08-17 20:56:42
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Hardly seems unreasonable that you would put the most points into whichever skill is more useful to whatever situation you're in.. if you need a skill more than you need another, you'd put another point in that skill, I don't understand what is going on.
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By Fairy.Spence 2012-08-17 20:57:48
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Diabolos.Raelia said: »
Ten damage per hit, really? If that makes the difference in a kill, you're doing it much more wrong than taking the second point in W instead.

Just... no. This statement is made from lack of experience.

Play jungler then where skill choices make a difference early game.
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2012-08-17 21:04:28
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Are we really arguing that kayles heal is at all useful?
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By Asura.Lolserj 2012-08-17 21:35:49
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Cerberus.Eugene said: »
Are we really arguing that kayles heal is at all useful?

i was arguing about something else

but then i blocked him so w/e
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By Pandemonium.Anookulchandra 2012-08-17 22:04:39
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Asura.Lolserj said: »
chalice is normal on who?

AP Taric

Let me rephrase that... AP mid taric to counter a niche mid. Chalice helps a lot on AP taric, when playing him mid... his early game mana costs are horrendous, and he needs to spam abilities to farm like stun and shatter to even get in on farm or harass at times. He will more than likely have to heal too. Your ult is up literally every minute, which when it's up you might as well use it. Taric just doesn't really fit in the meta as ap, or even top really, he's best suited as a support. He doesn't need a lot of farm to do what he does as support. Ward, his ult, and shatter... and stun... heal as needed... It was a niche pick that I was just dicking around in draft.

There is no reason to nit-pick something I did at that time to counter Diana mid when a hecarim *** up. I mean... really...
By volkom 2012-08-17 22:32:59
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Diabolos.Raelia said: »
Now if you'd gorram pay attention, I'll put it together for you.

Most champs in LoL have the Max->Max->Max progression you cited even for Kayle.

Except at level 5, Kayle benefits more from a second point in W than a second point in E while still in solo laning phase, even if you're still maxing W last. Whether it heals you better or saves you mana by healing better isn't what makes the choice viable, but because the second point in E doesn't really matter when trading.

Ten damage per hit, really? If that makes the difference in a kill, you're doing it much more wrong than taking the second point in W instead.

That's a choice you can make. I like my heal efficiency, even if I never use it.

Do you see though? The Max->Max->Max mentality follows their designs that focus on only one skill having all the damage and the others are taken just for kit completion. Level 5 Kayle is seriously the deepest 'tradeoff' situation I can find and it's still largely irrelevant.

In that way, LoL is designed for morons. That's much of its appeal actually, versus interesting concepts like last-hitting your own minions or even turret to deny gold to the other team.

So now a champ that is focused on rushing a skill to max rank? You don't see how that's just making it worse?
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Asura.Lolserj said: »
chalice is normal on who?

AP Taric

Let me rephrase that... AP mid taric to counter a niche mid. Chalice helps a lot on AP taric, when playing him mid... his early game mana costs are horrendous, and he needs to spam abilities to farm like stun and shatter to even get in on farm or harass at times. He will more than likely have to heal too. Your ult is up literally every minute, which when it's up you might as well use it. Taric just doesn't really fit in the meta as ap, or even top really, he's best suited as a support. He doesn't need a lot of farm to do what he does as support. Ward, his ult, and shatter... and stun... heal as needed... It was a niche pick that I was just dicking around in draft.

There is no reason to nit-pick something I did at that time to counter Diana mid when a hecarim *** up. I mean... really...

max Q or E first on kayle, probably better Q first to help with ganks when the jungler comes and for that extra % damage.

chalice on taric, probably not a bad choice as an early item cuz high mana cost spells and extra mr will help against an ap mid because you know...he is melee and ap mids generally poke frequently to push one or the other out for lane control.
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By Asura.Lolserj 2012-08-17 23:34:39
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i really wouldnt use Taric Mid though
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By Pandemonium.Anookulchandra 2012-08-18 00:10:21
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Asura.Lolserj said: »
i really wouldnt use Taric Mid though

... did you read the post on why I went taric mid.... also have you played taric other than on support?
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By Asura.Ludoggy 2012-08-18 00:14:04
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Asura.Lolserj said: »
i really wouldnt use Taric Mid though
Not a man.
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By Carbuncle.Shadowa 2012-08-18 00:14:35
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Link for a free Yi skin codes tomorrow from Alienware
By volkom 2012-08-18 00:23:48
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all out
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By Carbuncle.Shadowa 2012-08-18 00:26:57
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Yeah, they're reloading at a random time tomorrow.
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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2012-08-18 00:33:32
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i think i just found a forbidden love for amumu :x
By volkom 2012-08-18 01:01:27
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perfect game!!!

good job team :D

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By Pandemonium.Anookulchandra 2012-08-18 01:59:56
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volkom said: »
perfect game!!!

good job team :D


that lux is a feeder
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By Asura.Lolserj 2012-08-18 08:11:19
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Pandemonium.Anookulchandra said: »
Asura.Lolserj said: »
i really wouldnt use Taric Mid though

... did you read the post on why I went taric mid.... also have you played taric other than on support?

I saw why you picked it, but there are better mids to pick

And yeah I've done non-support taric

There are better APs to pick when you build him AP

Unless its an all support game, then AP taric OP

along with AD Lulu
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By Ultrarichard 2012-08-18 08:23:39
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can we stop talking about gay pink wearing gem man supports now x.x

how about that new regnar freak, and his obviously draven ripped weapon with slightly different colouring!?
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By Sylph.Nephriel 2012-08-18 09:37:02
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Orianna kicking *** at IEM. Awwwww Yeaaaaa. She better not get nerfed again.
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By Gansito 2012-08-18 09:45:00
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0-o only the manliest of men wear pizazzeld out gear. For some one like Taric to not wear sparkly pink/blue gear would be truely truely OUTRAGES!!!
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By Asura.Dajociont 2012-08-18 10:14:11
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Ultrarichard said: »
can we stop talking about gay pink wearing gem man supports now x.x

That idea is just...outrageous.
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By Asura.Tamoa 2012-08-18 10:16:27
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Asura.Dajociont said: »
Ultrarichard said: »
can we stop talking about gay pink wearing gem man supports now x.x

That idea is just...outrageous.

Go to bed!
By volkom 2012-08-18 10:29:02
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But anywho. If you're in a game and someone disconnects and you got no mid. Send your support mid as a lolbackup ap carry. And have your jungler keep jungling.
It may be a losing fight but it will give you a better chance at trying to win.
By volkom 2012-08-18 10:43:00
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daaaaaaaaaaang miss fortune splash art is soooo sexy
and i guesss j4 too
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By Pandemonium.Anookulchandra 2012-08-18 12:27:01
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Asura.Lolserj said: »
Pandemonium.Anookulchandra said: »
Asura.Lolserj said: »
i really wouldnt use Taric Mid though

... did you read the post on why I went taric mid.... also have you played taric other than on support?

I saw why you picked it, but there are better mids to pick

And yeah I've done non-support taric

There are better APs to pick when you build him AP

Unless its an all support game, then AP taric OP

along with AD Lulu


Then you didn't read it fully... I was already support taric... and the hecarim picked last... and did it to "counter diana" so I said *** that go support hecarim I'm going mid and I'll counter her. I did, and my build was fine. She did no dmg, and she couldn't hit me cause I had move speed quints, and boots starting. It's not hard to dodge a skill shot yo.
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By Pandemonium.Anookulchandra 2012-08-18 12:27:55
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volkom said: »
daaaaaaaaaaang miss fortune splash art is soooo sexy
and i guesss j4 too

That's my backround, I cropped it and got rid of parts, and tried to redraw parts. It's not as sexy as the original art, but not bad.
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