Anyone crapping on Chalice didn't notice it builds into something now. Grail is everything a Taric could want, in Support or Grenade varieties.
Deathcap is fun, but I think Lich Bane adds more to your burst because you'll be hitting their reduced armor after W on top of your Radiance bonuses, plus all that MRes with Armor from W makes him Soraka-grade 'annoying to kill'. Can also W or Heal to tap Lich Bane on turrets and whatnot.
Very underrated.
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Oh great. Let's just reward the stupid 'Max one skill first' concept of LoL.
Diabolos.Raelia said: »
Anyone crapping on Chalice didn't notice it builds into something now. Grail is everything a Taric could want, in Support or Grenade varieties.
Deathcap is fun, but I think Lich Bane adds more to your burst because you'll be hitting their reduced armor after W on top of your Radiance bonuses, plus all that MRes with Armor from W makes him Soraka-grade 'annoying to kill'. Can also W or Heal to tap Lich Bane on turrets and whatnot.
Very underrated.
Deathcap is fun, but I think Lich Bane adds more to your burst because you'll be hitting their reduced armor after W on top of your Radiance bonuses, plus all that MRes with Armor from W makes him Soraka-grade 'annoying to kill'. Can also W or Heal to tap Lich Bane on turrets and whatnot.
Very underrated.
i wouldnt build an athene's or a chalice on taric in most situations
i was just wondering what champ they were talking about for chalice
because if it was taric i'd recommend to keep it out of your build
Diabolos.Raelia said: »
Oh great. Let's just reward the stupid 'Max one skill first' concept of LoL.
How is this stupid?
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Asura.Lolserj said: »
Diabolos.Raelia said: »
Oh great. Let's just reward the stupid 'Max one skill first' concept of LoL.
How is this stupid?
An exmaple would be Xerath. You just pay lip service to W and E while you max Q, because if you don't max Q (Instead of playing his theme and taking W to play his root+range mechanic more often) your damage output suffers.
Just poor design that leads to silly moron-player-in-a-hurry things like not taking an early second point in Kayle's W for twice the heal and better exchanging instead of a pitiful 20 extra damage on Q, and now they're rewarding that 'dump everything into one skill' mentality.
LoL could be much more interesting if you weren't forced into an exact skill progression on most champs, like Xerath. This new champ is just doing that even harder.
If the enemy actually had to ask themselves "Is that Morg taking Binding or Puddle first?" the whole game would be better off, but instead the question isn't work asking, you just stay out of her puddle because no Morg is gonna rack up their Binding damage instead.
Do you still only play bot games?
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Relevant how?
That's like saying somebody knows nothing about FFXI because all they do is Voidwatch... wait..
That's like saying somebody knows nothing about FFXI because all they do is Voidwatch... wait..
Diabolos.Raelia said: »
Just poor design that leads to silly moron-player-in-a-hurry things like not taking an early second point in Kayle's W for twice the heal and better exchanging instead of a pitiful 20 extra damage on Q, and now they're rewarding that 'dump everything into one skill' mentality.
never mind, if you aren't going to at least read what abilities do I'm not going to try to help you
Diabolos.Raelia said: »
Relevant how?
That's like saying somebody knows nothing about FFXI because all they do is Voidwatch... wait..
That's like saying somebody knows nothing about FFXI because all they do is Voidwatch... wait..
the fact that you don't know how to do anything but play against bots is what makes it relevant
and the comment you made about Kayle's Q
and her kit in general
and her kit in general
You're right, it's a 40 damage bump, but it stayed 5% damage bonus when I cared. Silly me.
But when not building AP, going from 60/heal to 105/heal at level 4(?) is big if laning drags out or you're up against anyone that can trade.
Pretty good example though if you'd ignore that just the same.
But when not building AP, going from 60/heal to 105/heal at level 4(?) is big if laning drags out or you're up against anyone that can trade.
Pretty good example though if you'd ignore that just the same.
Ah, now I remember what it was: Not Q, but taking the second point in E instead of W at level 5.
The heal shouldnt really be used to heal on kayle... its more of an engage or something you use to chase someone down that you're killing
(you should be winning most trades with the Q due to the fact that it amplifies all of your damage and she has that thing going on with her passive)
basically max the heal last
do good
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(you should be winning most trades with the Q due to the fact that it amplifies all of your damage and she has that thing going on with her passive)
basically max the heal last
do good
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Diabolos.Raelia said: »
Ah, now I remember what it was: Not Q, but taking the second point in E instead of W at level 5.
and even to this
if you need the heal on kayle to win trades
you're doing it wrong
Yes max heal last, but taking just the second point in it at level 5 does so much good in solo top laning phase.
That's what I'm pointing out: The skill order for a champ being so often 'Max this, max that, max this last' leads to some stupidity.
That's what I'm pointing out: The skill order for a champ being so often 'Max this, max that, max this last' leads to some stupidity.
Diabolos.Raelia said: »
Yes max heal last, but taking just the second point in it at level 5 does so much good in solo top laning phase.
against 2 bots maybe
Against Vlad, GP, Jax if they can time a stun...
Then now you're reinforcing my point: Skill progression in LoL requires no thinking, exactly how their players like it.
'20 damage' came from two taps of E per trade btw, but how dare I bring theory and math to the table.
'20 damage' came from two taps of E per trade btw, but how dare I bring theory and math to the table.
Diabolos.Raelia said: »
Then now you're reinforcing my point: Skill progression in LoL requires no thinking, exactly how their players like it.
No?
Like I said, if you need the Heal to sustain or win trades you're obviously doing something wrong
And you need the second point in E just the same?
It adds to your damage output
you dont need to put a second point in it before level 6 anyways, and once you hit 6 you should be able to win most of the trades
you dont need to put a second point in it before level 6 anyways, and once you hit 6 you should be able to win most of the trades
Meaning you dont need the heal for anything but followup
meaning put the point in your E for extra damage output
But whatever, do what you've been doing.
I'm not going to argue about it anymore because it's not like what you do really matters anyways
I'd just recommend that you actually play the game before giving advice and forming an opinion
I'm not going to argue about it anymore because it's not like what you do really matters anyways
I'd just recommend that you actually play the game before giving advice and forming an opinion
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Now if you'd gorram pay attention, I'll put it together for you.
Most champs in LoL have the Max->Max->Max progression you cited even for Kayle.
Except at level 5, Kayle benefits more from a second point in W than a second point in E while still in solo laning phase, even if you're still maxing W last. Whether it heals you better or saves you mana by healing better isn't what makes the choice viable, but because the second point in E doesn't really matter when trading.
Ten damage per hit, really? If that makes the difference in a kill, you're doing it much more wrong than taking the second point in W instead.
That's a choice you can make. I like my heal efficiency, even if I never use it.
Do you see though? The Max->Max->Max mentality follows their designs that focus on only one skill having all the damage and the others are taken just for kit completion. Level 5 Kayle is seriously the deepest 'tradeoff' situation I can find and it's still largely irrelevant.
In that way, LoL is designed for morons. That's much of its appeal actually, versus interesting concepts like last-hitting your own minions or even turret to deny gold to the other team.
So now a champ that is focused on rushing a skill to max rank? You don't see how that's just making it worse?
Most champs in LoL have the Max->Max->Max progression you cited even for Kayle.
Except at level 5, Kayle benefits more from a second point in W than a second point in E while still in solo laning phase, even if you're still maxing W last. Whether it heals you better or saves you mana by healing better isn't what makes the choice viable, but because the second point in E doesn't really matter when trading.
Ten damage per hit, really? If that makes the difference in a kill, you're doing it much more wrong than taking the second point in W instead.
That's a choice you can make. I like my heal efficiency, even if I never use it.
Do you see though? The Max->Max->Max mentality follows their designs that focus on only one skill having all the damage and the others are taken just for kit completion. Level 5 Kayle is seriously the deepest 'tradeoff' situation I can find and it's still largely irrelevant.
In that way, LoL is designed for morons. That's much of its appeal actually, versus interesting concepts like last-hitting your own minions or even turret to deny gold to the other team.
So now a champ that is focused on rushing a skill to max rank? You don't see how that's just making it worse?
Passive + Q != ten damage per hit
take all things into account before making yourself out to be HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE
Now I'm really done arguing about this because like I said, your opinion is wrong 9 times out of 10
basically not using the max abilities first concept on kayle makes you the moron
take all things into account before making yourself out to be HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE
Now I'm really done arguing about this because like I said, your opinion is wrong 9 times out of 10
basically not using the max abilities first concept on kayle makes you the moron
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Asura.Lolserj said: »
Passive + Q != ten damage per hit
Don't get so mad bro. I like when League is simple to figure out too.
Diabolos.Raelia said: »
Asura.Lolserj said: »
Passive + Q != ten damage per hit
Don't get so mad bro. I like when League is simple to figure out too.
I just get mad when someone is arguing for something that is false
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