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 Caitsith.Nonch
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By Caitsith.Nonch 2010-05-07 18:15:53
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I notice a lot of PLD's with fastcast gear or augs.

Though it clearly says "enhanced fast cast effect" (I would assume meaning enhancing an EXISTING JT), and since PLD's dont have fastcast as a JT, why they would get it?

I had a debate with someone in-game trying to convince me to get a fastcast aug. But to me it just didnt make sense that strapping on a bit of fastcast gear would give you the JT.

(though I secretly wish SE actaully made something that easy! because I would totally get it.)

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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2010-05-07 18:17:05
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Wearing enhances fast cast gear, gives you the trait relevant to how strong the equipment bonus is.
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By Siren.Enternius 2010-05-07 18:17:45
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SE recently changed it so that if you have to HAVE the JA/JT to begin with, it will say "Augments JA" instead of "Enhances JA".

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By Caitsith.Nonch 2010-05-07 18:25:14
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Thanks Siren

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By Kujata.Akeda 2010-05-07 18:31:18
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I don't think PLD has access to a lot of Fast Cast gear do they? I guess you could wear a Loquacious Earring or Expansion piece but wouldn't the %2 faster cast be rather pointless?
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2010-05-07 18:32:53
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Homam pants, ACP body, loquacious earring, could make a fast cast head from the other expansion too.
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By Gojira 2010-05-07 18:34:03
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What is fastcast?
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-05-07 18:34:36
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Every little bit counts. Though for pld it's mostly done for the -recast.
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By Leviathan.Abriel 2010-05-07 18:46:42
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it's mostly about the recast reduction, pld doesn't have access to enough fast cast gear to adequately reduce casting time for most spells that would like it.
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By Caitsith.Nonch 2010-05-07 18:47:39
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Do any PLD's have imperical evidence that wearing fast cast enhancement gear

1) gives you FastCast in your JT list

2) Can screendump a reduced casting time

Once again Loquacious Earring is an enhancment of Fast Cast only....
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-05-07 18:48:32
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Caitsith.Nonch said:
Do any PLD's have imperical evidence that wearing fast cast enhancement gear

1) gives you FastCast in your JT list
No, because it doesn't.
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2) Can screendump a reduced casting time
I could do it with some FC gear, not a PLD but it's not like that matters... why do you care about screenshots? You don't need the FC trait for FC gear to work, this is well established.
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2010-05-07 18:49:25
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It doesn't make it appear in your list. And yes it will reduce casting and recast time.
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By Caitsith.Nonch 2010-05-07 18:51:18
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Nevermind

I am comfortable with Sirens answer.

If you dont have the JT, then fastcast enhancement gear or augs doesnt do anything for PLD.
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By Fairy.Basilo 2010-05-07 18:51:31
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Caitsith.Nonch said:
Do any PLD's have imperical evidence that wearing fast cast enhancement gear 1) gives you FastCast in your JT list 2) Can screendump a reduced casting time Once again Loquacious Earring is an enhancment of Fast Cast only....

Nope but I can give u my word as a long time blm with several fast cast pieces of gear that does use sub whm enough to know you get it regardless to having rdm main or support.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra 2010-05-07 18:51:51
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Caitsith.Nonch said:
Do any PLD's have imperical evidence that wearing fast cast enhancement gear

1) gives you FastCast in your JT list

2) Can screendump a reduced casting time

Once again Loquacious Earring is an enhancment of Fast Cast only....
Hold on, I'll load up PLD/WHM and try and get you a screenshot of RR's recast time with some fast cast.
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By Leviathan.Abriel 2010-05-07 18:52:26
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Caitsith.Nonch said:
Nevermind

I am comfortable with Sirens answer.

If you dont have the JT, then fastcast enhancement gear or augs doesnt do anything for PLD.

I think you may have misinterpreted that, lol.
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2010-05-07 18:52:58
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Caitsith.Nonch said:
Nevermind

I am comfortable with Sirens answer.

If you dont have the JT, then fastcast enhancement gear or augs doesnt do anything for PLD.

That's not what he said. And his name isn't Siren.

Enhances gives you the trait
Augment doesn't

is what he said.

Though I haven't seen any Augment Trait items, just Augment JAs.
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By Sylph.Mikato 2010-05-07 18:54:12
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Augment bonuses to job abilities require access to the job ability to have any effect, they will not allow usage of the job ability.

* Job traits, excluding Dual Wield, will still grant the effect if you do not naturally have the trait however.

extracted that from wiki page about mirke body augments not sure if it helps mind you
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By Fairy.Basilo 2010-05-07 18:55:52
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Scrolled back up the page to work out who the fk this Siren person was.

You got a few wires crossed dude.

1 : Siren is server his name is Enternius

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Caitsith.Nonch said:
Nevermind I am comfortable with Sirens answer. If you dont have the JT, then fastcast enhancement gear or augs doesnt do anything for PLD.

No, opposite of this it DOES do something.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-05-07 18:57:20
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Caitsith.Nonch said:
Do any PLD's have imperical evidence that wearing fast cast enhancement gear

1) gives you FastCast in your JT list

2) Can screendump a reduced casting time Once again

Loquacious Earring is an enhancment of Fast Cast only....
Dude it's been like this for years and years. Also cast time is highly subjective to lag and well pld doesn't have much in the way of high casting time spells. A better screenshot would be showing recast right after cast or something.

By that logic Ptr.Prt. Livery doesn't do anything for anyone because the "+movement speed" job trait doesn't exist
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-05-07 19:01:40
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Koenig Schuhs The only 2 jobs can wear neither have the job trait and when it came out only the only way they could get the job trait was to /drk. You telling me SE made this intended for plds to tank /drk?
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By Siren.Enternius 2010-05-07 19:02:56
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5% on MKD head
5% on ACP body
4% on Homam pants
2% on Loquacious Earring

THat's a combined 16% cast time reduction. Very useful when solo on PLD/NIN, or without the benefit of Slow in parties, as it lets you cast Ichi between a mob's attacks.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra 2010-05-07 19:06:08
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Took two videos, gonna try youtube to show you.
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2010-05-07 19:07:13
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Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra said:
Took two videos, gonna try youtube to show you.

He only listens to Siren
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By Ragnarok.Blindphleb 2010-05-07 19:08:51
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Who is Siren and why does he give crappy advice?
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By Siren.Enternius 2010-05-07 19:10:25
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Ragnarok.Blindphleb said:
Who is Siren and why does he give crappy advice?
OP just completely misread my response.
Siren.Enternius said:
SE recently changed it so that if you have to HAVE the JA/JT to begin with, it will say "Augments JA" instead of "Enhances JA".

By my logic in said post, "Enhances Fast Cast effect" would work on all jobs, but "Augments Fast Cast" would only work on jobs with native Fast Cast trait.
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By Caitsith.Nonch 2010-05-07 19:10:45
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+movement speed isnt a job trait, so it is your logic that is flawed Dasva

As a red mage who has fast cast as a JT, perhaps you could tell me your recast time for Protect 4.

Then a PLD with fast cast gear on could tell me their recast time for protect 4.

I just want some evidence is all.

And apologies to Endternius for misquoting your name.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-05-07 19:11:10
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Ragnarok.Blindphleb said:
Who is Siren and why does he give crappy advice?
He somehow communes with the server itself.
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2010-05-07 19:13:31
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Quote:
And apologies to Endternius for misquoting your name.

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Fast Cast on gear works regardless of who equips it, finale.
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2010-05-07 19:15:56
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Caitsith.Nonch said:
movement speed isnt a job trait, so it is your logic that is flawed Dasva

As a red mage who has fast cast as a JT, perhaps you could tell me your recast time for Protect 4.

Then a PLD with fast cast gear on could tell me their recast time for protect 4.

I just want some evidence is all.

And apologies to Endternius for misquoting your name.

That's a flawed test, RDM has higher Fast Cast naturally than a PLD would by adding gear. Try casting Utsusemi without Fast Cast gear, then again with it.
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