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Trial of Magians: Best of All Jobs.
Ragnarok.Ruklin
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By Ragnarok.Ruklin 2010-03-24 14:04:33
For GA i have found that the two best possibilities would be DMG:100 Delay:504 cuz it's hawt, and i think the DMG:76 Delay:514 Occ. atk. twice weapon might be better for zergs with a COR in party. Obviously some testing will be needed to determine which would be better, however with my experience and the idea that this weapon might allow for a double attack on the atk. twice proc like fortitude axe it would be possible to reach TP after 1 round. 2 rounds being the more probable. Any ideas on this?
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-03-24 14:10:36
Caitsith.Neonracer said: Anything good come out of the add on yet for Blue Mage?
PLs list all ( if any) will beneifit blue, I'm dammned Curious.... we're left in the dark.... oops did I say Drk?
( Np pun intended) LoLDrk The multihit is our new best offhand if it's 50%. DEX+4 ACC+8 is kind of good but not really given pizza and sushi, and there's a PDT sword if you're trying to turtle up while soloing. Max damage option isn't worth the effort as Perdu Hanger is better.
Ragnarok.Ruklin said: For GA i have found that the two best possibilities would be DMG:100 Delay:504 cuz it's hawt, and i think the DMG:76 Delay:514 Occ. atk. twice weapon might be better for zergs with a COR in party. Obviously some testing will be needed to determine which would be better, however with my experience and the idea that this weapon might allow for a double attack on the atk. twice proc like fortitude axe it would be possible to reach TP after 1 round. 2 rounds being the more probable. Any ideas on this? Zergs?
looooooooooooooooool
Try everything where you're engaged fulltime on the mob. Everything. That OAT weapon is your new best friend if it procs like Joyeuse. The only non-relic that even comes close is a goddamn Rune Chopper when you've got Haste, Marchx2, and Haste Samba. The increased WS frequency with not much base damage lost (<3 WSC) is huge.
Caitsith.Neonracer
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By Caitsith.Neonracer 2010-03-24 14:18:15
I was thinking the Occ att twice weapon wud def be nice with the Augmented Wep for Blu ( Erklings Blade)..
I wouldn't go for Beastslayer, if I knew these new Magian weapons are better.
Ragnarok.Ruklin
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By Ragnarok.Ruklin 2010-03-24 14:19:18
yea i'm still trying to balance it out. it all depends on what the proc rate is on the OAT. and if it's sufficient then it might be a better idea to throw on a DA build with the new items out. WAR could easily hit DA cap now even w/out a COR rolling an 11 on fighter's roll.
Asura.Korpg
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By Asura.Korpg 2010-03-24 14:24:46
anyone know of any good SMN staffs from this all?
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-03-24 14:26:03
Ragnarok.Ruklin said: yea i'm still trying to balance it out. it all depends on what the proc rate is on the OAT. and if it's sufficient then it might be a better idea to throw on a DA build with the new items out. WAR could easily hit DA cap now even w/out a COR rolling an 11 on fighter's roll. 1) DA has decreasing returns
2) There's no known DA cap
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2010-03-24 14:30:21
Are you really sure that a hagun with 14 less base dmg will out WS an 89 dmg GK by 10%? that just sounds horribly wrong given the massive difference in base dmg....
Ragnarok.Ruklin
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By Ragnarok.Ruklin 2010-03-24 14:32:20
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Ragnarok.Ruklin said: yea i'm still trying to balance it out. it all depends on what the proc rate is on the OAT. and if it's sufficient then it might be a better idea to throw on a DA build with the new items out. WAR could easily hit DA cap now even w/out a COR rolling an 11 on fighter's roll. 1) DA has decreasing returns 2) There's no known DA cap
hmmm well then it looks like some testing should definitely be done. lol
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-03-24 14:32:26
Quote: Are you really sure that a hagun with 14 less base dmg will out WS an 89 dmg GK by 10%? that just sounds horribly wrong given the massive difference in base dmg.... 100% sure.
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2010-03-24 14:34:57
and where did you find these numbers exactly, and how did you test these out? do you have both?
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-03-24 14:36:47
Ifrit.Eikechi said: and where did you find these numbers exactly, and how did you test these out? do you have both?
lrn2maths
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Tachi:_Gekko
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/FTP
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/WSC
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Calculating_Weapon_Skill_Damage
Have fun.
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Asura.Korpg
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By Asura.Korpg 2010-03-24 14:39:30
Asura.Korpg said: anyone know of any good SMN staffs from this all?
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By Fenrir.Mtmoogle 2010-03-24 14:41:21
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Ifrit.Eikechi said: and where did you find these numbers exactly, and how did you test these out? do you have both? lrn2maths http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Tachi:_Gekko http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/FTP http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/WSC http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Calculating_Weapon_Skill_Damage Have fun. tis not fun D:
Bismarck.Altar
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By Bismarck.Altar 2010-03-24 14:42:56
@ Night:
Not much base dmg lost between OAT GAxe and Perdu? Really?
(Honest Q, I'm not good w/ the maths)
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2010-03-24 14:45:04
did you account for Rana? it doesn't sound like it, what about YK? (btw i use rana....cuz it can do a lot of dmg, seriously)
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-03-24 14:48:11
Asura.Korpg said: Asura.Korpg said: anyone know of any good SMN staffs from this all? Didn't see anything on wiki and haven't checked them myself, sorry. Fenrir.Mtmoogle said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Ifrit.Eikechi said: and where did you find these numbers exactly, and how did you test these out? do you have both? lrn2maths http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Tachi:_Gekko http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/FTP http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/WSC http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Calculating_Weapon_Skill_Damage Have fun. tis not fun D: YOU!
sup?
Bismarck.Altar said: @ Night:
Not much base dmg lost between OAT GAxe and Perdu? Really?
(Honest Q, I'm not good w/ the maths) Yeah. All the STR you pile on for WS reduces the impact of the lower base damage (not that it would lose even if you were just auto-attacking).
Ifrit.Eikechi said: did you account for Rana? it doesn't sound like it, what about YK? (btw i use rana....cuz it can do a lot of dmg, seriously) YK have the same fTP and WSC as Gekko. If you're using Rana regularly, you should be using polearm instead and thus it's irrelevant.
Ramuh.Scizor
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By Ramuh.Scizor 2010-03-24 14:53:08
Asura.Korpg said: anyone know of any good SMN staffs from this all? Asura.Korpg said: Asura.Korpg said: anyone know of any good SMN staffs from this all?
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_the_Magians
Not quite a full list, if you want the full list go to the Moogle
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-03-24 14:54:55
That page has *** all for staves since whoever put that spreadsheet up marked it private =\
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2010-03-24 14:55:14
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: If you're using Rana regularly, you should be using polearm instead and thus it's irrelevant.
really? wth does that mean? i've seen my Ranas do a lot more than my Gekkos at times
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-03-24 14:56:47
Penta >>> Rana
5 hit build >>> 6 hit build
Therefore if Rana's you're best GKT WS for the situation you should be using polearm.
Ramuh.Scizor
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By Ramuh.Scizor 2010-03-24 14:58:38
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: That page has *** all for staves since whoever put that spreadsheet up marked it private =\
Ah well, best go to the Moogle instead Korpg
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2010-03-24 15:04:35
idk, correct me if i'm wrong man, but a 3 hit WS, with 297 skill, and 6 hit build sounds better than a 5 hit WS 5 hit build with 240 skill (given there is no piercing mod/slashing mod/penalties here to account for)
but we're getting off topic, sorry i'll stop now, i just think the mass dmg on the 89 dmg GK is worth the trials
Ifrit.Duanyu
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By Ifrit.Duanyu 2010-03-24 15:06:26
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Penta >>> Rana
5 hit build >>> 6 hit build
Therefore if Rana's you're best GKT WS for the situation you should be using polearm.
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agreed
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-03-24 15:06:27
Ifrit.Eikechi said: idk, correct me if i'm wrong man, but a 3 hit WS, with 297 skill, and 6 hit build sounds better than a 5 hit WS 5 hit build with 240 skill (given there is no piercing mod/slashing mod/penalties here to account for) I'm correcting you. Get buffs, eat pizza, Penta like a boss. Anything strong enough that the lower attack becomes an issue is strong enough to use YGK.
That said, the multihit GKT may change things... Rana might actually be useful now. Might.
Ramuh.Dasva
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-03-24 15:10:14
So I'm here the 6 stat rings are from VNMs... any truth to that?
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2010-03-24 15:11:48
i use a much higher att food than pizza normally, but okie dokie...and on higher mobs my rana can do more than YGK, but ok
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By Ifrit.Duanyu 2010-03-24 15:11:49
Ramuh.Dasva said: So I'm here the 6 stat rings are from VNMs... any truth to that?
thats what i've been hearing
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-03-24 15:13:16
Ramuh.Dasva said: So I'm here the 6 stat rings are from VNMs... any truth to that? MND is from the crab, STR from the Vampyr, INT from the T4 dragon, CHR from the Pixie, don't know about the others right off hand.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-03-24 15:16:53
Wish wiki would update faster
By Kanjirou 2010-03-24 15:16:56
Ifrit.Eikechi said: Are you really sure that a hagun with 14 less base dmg will out WS an 89 dmg GK by 10%? that just sounds horribly wrong given the massive difference in base dmg....
I did this calc myself and got similar results, as did mdkuser over on Blue Gartr: http://www.bluegartrls.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3609393&postcount=155.
Of course, it DOES sound horribly wrong, and that's why I was so surprised by it! But the numbers don't lie. TP Bonus is just a lot more effective than most people realize. Yes, it can outweight 14 difference in base damage (14 freaking difference!), assuming you have a half-decent WS gear set for the TP bonus to work on. I know, that's sick, but evidently it's true. Don't believe it, use the wiki links you were given and run the numbers yourself.
So, there have already been a lot of Magian posts devoted to specific jobs or weapon types, but in browsing some of those, I've noticed some weapons that are so good they actually make me want to take up certain jobs just so I can use them. In particular, the H2H, Dagger and (regular) Katana lines have some awesome weaps.
And then I realized that if I were get those weapons later, after I finished lvling, everyone else would probably already be done.
Right now, it's actually kind of easy to progress in these things, since parties can share kills -- it's just really time-consuming. Whenever I show up to a place to kill NMs or mobs for points, half a dozen other people are already there doing the same thing, and we can pt.
I think I'd like to take advantage of that while I can. So I'm wondering what weapons are worth getting.
What are you upgrading? Which weaps stand out for your job? Are there any others that you might consider lvling another job just so you could use it?
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