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 Shiva.Flionheart
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-03-22 12:21:56
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Ifrit.Duanyu said:
Odin.Kalico said:
Lakshmi.Auroralith said:
wow
Odin.Kalico said:
All you guys bitching about the HC reform actually don't have to accept it, after all this is america and you have free will, ***just go kill yourself and you won't have to deal with it and you can stop QQing. There is always a choice 8)
wow ur a *** was that really needed? we are just debating it. We are allowed to have a point of view. Yeah it may not change anything but its nice to express how we feel.

What fukin ever, on another note your actually right and i'm just expressing my opinion. Sad to see so many Zombies, my point is who really gives a ***in reality you have no choice any way so suck it up and deal with it or actually do something and make a change. Obama, congress, republicans or demacratic senate don't give 2 shits about you wake the *** up. Your only here to make $$$ for the rich and privlaged as always. I lol @ people blaming Obama like if any other president was in office ***would be different lol wake the *** up grow a pair of balls and accept reality get the *** out your glass bubble for once.

someone was abused as a child, I mean just look at all that profanity.

Nah, he's just an illiterate cretin.

He wouldn't know eloquence if it bopped him on the head.
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By Odin.Kalico 2010-03-22 12:22:52
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Lakshmi.Auroralith said:
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Now, i can only speak for my country, but i don't see why it would be too different. Have you ever heard of the "poor workers" ? Those who wake up at 5 everydays and stack 2-3 part time jobs, 5 days a week and cannot afford the most basic *** ? Oh wait, they're *** lazy, they don't work on sundays ! But, yeah, that is *a* reality...
I do not know a single person that works 2-3 jobs and is still really hard off after all minumum wage in america is $20 dollars. I mean yeah they are not rich but they can afford a house a decent car and to go have fun. The rally poor people are just lazy. The system is abused by unemployed people. I could make more money from the government if i did not work as opposed to me working. But i cant just sit at home bored. Others on the other hand dont care. The typical person with food stamps, and no im not being a racist here, but are Trailer Park Whites who cannt read with kids and they come into the store wearing name brand stuff like baby phat with a roll of at least a few hundred dollars in their wallet from selling meth or crank. So why in the hell would they work if they are better off just having fun?

fixed 8)
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By Garuda.Glaciont 2010-03-22 12:23:40
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snowstar12 said:
Lakshmi.Holman said:
A kid I knew when I was young died from lack of health care. I'm glad that everyone can benefit from this, who knows how many great people died because of no health care benefits.
Im sorry for ur lose Holman. but you know every kid from birth to the age of 18 has the right to free health care from the government. Its just a matter of the parents to apply for it.

Hm, I seem to get free health care till the day I die... doesn't seem fair does it.
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By Midgardsormr.Frobeus 2010-03-22 12:24:52
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Odin.Kalico said:
Lakshmi.Auroralith said:
wow
Odin.Kalico said:
All you guys bitching about the HC reform actually don't have to accept it, after all this is america and you have free will, ***just go kill yourself and you won't have to deal with it and you can stop QQing. There is always a choice 8)
wow ur a *** was that really needed? we are just debating it. We are allowed to have a point of view. Yeah it may not change anything but its nice to express how we feel.
What fukin ever, on another note your actually right and i'm just expressing my opinion. Sad to see so many Zombies, my point is who really gives a ***in reality you have no choice any way so suck it up and deal with it or actually do something and make a change. Obama, congress, republicans or demacratic senate don't give 2 shits about you wake the *** up. Your only here to make $$$ for the rich and privlaged as always. I lol @ people blaming Obama like if any other president was in office ***would be different lol wake the *** up grow a pair of balls and accept reality get the *** out your glass bubble for once.

I swear quite a bit, but this can barely even be considered english.
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By Seraph.Rafik 2010-03-22 12:24:54
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Here are some things that are in the bill


Page 22 of the HC Bill: Mandates that the Govt will audit books of all employers that self-insure!!
Page 30 Sec 123 of HC bill: THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get.
Page 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill: YOUR HEALTH CARE IS RATIONED!!!
Page 42 of HC Bill: The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC benefits for you. You have no choice!
Page 50 Section 152 in HC bill: HC will be provided to ALL non-US citizens, illegal or otherwise.
Page 58 HC Bill: Govt will have real-time access to individuals' finances & a 'National ID Health card' will be issued! (Papers please!)
Page 59 HC Bill lines 21-24: Govt will have direct access to your bank accounts for elective funds transfer. (Time for more cash and carry)
Page 65 Sec 164: Is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in unions & community organizations: (ACORN).
Page 84 Sec 203 HC bill: Govt mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the 'Exchange.'
Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans -- The Govt will ration your health care!
Page 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill: Govt mandates linguistic appropriate services. (Translation: illegal aliens.)
Page 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18: The Govt will use groups (i.e. ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Govt HC plan.
Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans. (AARP members - your health care WILL be rationed!)
Page 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill: Medicaid eligible individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. (No choice.)
Page 124 lines 24-25 HC: No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Govt monopoly.
Page 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill: Doctors/ American Medical Association - The Govt will tell YOU what salary you can make.
Page 145 Line 15-17: An Employer MUST auto-enroll employees into public option plan. (NO choice!)
Page 126 Lines 22-25: Employers MUST pay for HC for part-time employees AND their families. (Employees shouldn't get excited about this as employers will be forced to reduce its work force, benefits, and wages/salaries to cover such a huge expense.)
Page 149 Lines 16-24: ANY Employer with payroll 401k & above who does not provide public option will pay 8% tax on all payroll! (See the last comment in parenthesis.)
Page 150 Lines 9-13: A business with payroll between $251K & $401K who doesn't provide public option will pay 2-6% tax on all payroll.
Page 167 Lines 18-23: ANY individual who doesn't have acceptable HC according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of income.
Page 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill: Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay.) (Like always)
Page 195 HC Bill: Officers & employees of the GOVT HC Admin. will have access to ALL Americans' finances and personal records. (I guess so they can 'deduct' their fees)
Page 203 Line 14-15 HC: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." (Yes, it really says that!) ( a 'fee' instead)
Page 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill: Govt will reduce physician services for Medicaid Seniors. (Low-income and the poor are affected)
Page 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill: Doctors: It doesn't matter what specialty you have trained yourself in -- you will all be paid the same! (Just TRY to tell me that's not Socialism!)
Page 253 Line 10-18: The Govt sets the value of a doctor's time, profession, judgment, etc. (Literally-- the value of humans.)

Page 265 Sec 1131: The Govt mandates and controls productivity for "private" HC industries.
Page 268 Sec 1141: The federal Govt regulates the rental and purchase of power driven wheelchairs.
Page 272 SEC. 1145: TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!
Page 280 Sec 1151: The Govt will penalize hospitals for whatever the Govt deems preventable (i.e...re-admissions).

Page 298 Lines 9-11: Doctors: If you treat a patient during initial admission that results in a re-admission -- the Govt will penalize you.
Page 317 L 13-20: PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. (The Govt tells doctors what and how much they can own!)
Page 317-318 lines 21-25, 1-3: PROHIBITION on expansion. (The Govt is mandating that hospitals cannot expand.)
Page 321 2-13: Hospitals have the opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input is required. (Can you say ACORN?)
Page 335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339: The Govt mandates establishment of outcome-based measures. (HC the way they want -- rationing.)
Page 341 Lines 3-9: The Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Advance Plans, HMOs, etc. (Forcing people into the Govt plan)
Page 354 Sec 1177: The Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of 'special needs people!' Unbelievable!
Page 379 Sec 1191: The Govt creates more bureaucracy via a "Tele-Health Advisory Committee." (Can you say HC by phone?)
Page 425 Lines 4-12: The Govt mandates "Advance-Care Planning Consult." (Think senior citizens end-of-life patients.)
Page 425 Lines 17-19: The Govt will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. (And it's mandatory!)
Page 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3: The Govt provides an "approved" list of end-of-life resources; guiding you in death. (Also called 'assisted suicide.')(Sounds like Soylent Green to me.)
Page 427 Lines 15-24: The Govt mandates a program for orders on "end-of-life." (The Govt has a say in how your life ends!)
Page 429 Lines 1-9: An "advanced-care planning consultant" will be used frequently as a patient's health deteriorates.
Page 429 Lines 10-12: An "advanced care consultation" may include an ORDER for end-of-life plans.. (AN ORDER TO DIE FROM THE GOVERNMENT?!?)
Page 429 Lines 13-25: The GOVT will specify which doctors can write an end-of-life order. (I wouldn't want to stand before God after getting paid for THAT job!)
Page 430 Lines 11-15: The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end - of-life! (Again -- no choice!)
Page 469: Community-Based Home Medical Services = Non-Profit Organizations. (Hello? ACORN Medical Services here!?!)
Page 489 Sec 1308: The Govt will cover marriage and family therapy. (Which means Govt will insert itself into your marriage even.)
Page 494-498: Govt will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, and rationing those services.
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By Lakshmi.Auroralith 2010-03-22 12:25:15
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Odin.Kalico said:
Lakshmi.Auroralith said:
Cerberus.Arkhana said:
Now, i can only speak for my country, but i don't see why it would be too different. Have you ever heard of the "poor workers" ? Those who wake up at 5 everydays and stack 2-3 part time jobs, 5 days a week and cannot afford the most basic *** ? Oh wait, they're *** lazy, they don't work on sundays ! But, yeah, that is *a* reality...
I do not know a single person that works 2-3 jobs and is still really hard off after minum wage in america is $20 dollars. I mean yeah they are not rich but they can afford a house a decent car and to go have fun. The rally poor people are just lazy. The system is abused by unemployed people. I could make more money from the government if i did not work as opposed to me working. But i cant just sit at home bored. Others on the other hand dont care. The typical person with food stamps, and no im not being a racist here, but are Trailer Park Whites who cannt read with kids and they come into the store wearing name brand stuff like baby phat with a roll of at least a few hundred dollars in their wallet from selling meth or crank. So why in the hell would they work if they are better off just having fun?

fixed 8)
No i live in youngstown we dont have trailers here just a really cheap housing market. everything here costs a lot less. I guess it makes up for the 21% unemployment rate.
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By Garuda.Glaciont 2010-03-22 12:26:45
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Ramuh.Thunderz said:
Ifrit.Cright said:
Answer me this one question:

Who is going to pay for this?

your paying for insurance now aren't you? now take the amount you pay for insurance and pay it to the GVT instead

oh snap that was expensive

I rather pay for a Guaranteed service then 1 that can potentially tell you to *** off, xxx reason claim denied.

You might need to pay more taxes but gawd that will not kill you or push you into the poor house, stop exaggerating taxes.

If you think about how much you pay health insurance companies compared to what you will pay for taxes, your saving a lot @_@ or is that jus Canada speaking

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By snowstar12 2010-03-22 12:28:22
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Garuda.Glaciont said:
Ramuh.Thunderz said:
Ifrit.Cright said:
Answer me this one question:

Who is going to pay for this?

your paying for insurance now aren't you? now take the amount you pay for insurance and pay it to the GVT instead

oh snap that was expensive

I rather pay for a Guaranteed service then 1 that can potentially tell you to *** off, xxx reason claim denied.

You might need to pay more taxes but gawd that will not kill you or push you into the poor house, stop exaggerating taxes.

Umm i dont pay for health care. my job gives me free benefits after a year. So there is no benefit here for me.
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By Midgardsormr.Frobeus 2010-03-22 12:29:07
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Garuda.Glaciont said:
snowstar12 said:
Lakshmi.Holman said:
A kid I knew when I was young died from lack of health care. I'm glad that everyone can benefit from this, who knows how many great people died because of no health care benefits.
Im sorry for ur lose Holman. but you know every kid from birth to the age of 18 has the right to free health care from the government. Its just a matter of the parents to apply for it.
Hm, I seem to get free health care till the day I die... doesn't seem fair does it.

No, your health care isn't free.

And honestly, I don't care how good the plan is, or how many people it will "save" the government needs to gtfo of our lives.

For everyone else from other countries that already have the government running their lives I don't expect you to understand, but for the people that are actually from here to willingly give up your freedoms is almost treason to me.

This government and all their mandated *** can kiss my ***.
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By Garuda.Glaciont 2010-03-22 12:29:15
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snowstar12 said:
Garuda.Glaciont said:
Ramuh.Thunderz said:
Ifrit.Cright said:
Answer me this one question:

Who is going to pay for this?

your paying for insurance now aren't you? now take the amount you pay for insurance and pay it to the GVT instead

oh snap that was expensive

I rather pay for a Guaranteed service then 1 that can potentially tell you to *** off, xxx reason claim denied.

You might need to pay more taxes but gawd that will not kill you or push you into the poor house, stop exaggerating taxes.

Umm i dont pay for health care. my job gives me free benefits after a year. So there is no benefit here for me.

Um, I hope you realize you messed up that entire post
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By Garuda.Glaciont 2010-03-22 12:30:33
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weird, I think my screen is broken cause i swear i didn't put that in the quote box..
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By Lakshmi.Auroralith 2010-03-22 12:30:43
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count
Garuda.Glaciont said:
snowstar12 said:
Lakshmi.Holman said:
A kid I knew when I was young died from lack of health care. I'm glad that everyone can benefit from this, who knows how many great people died because of no health care benefits.
Im sorry for ur lose Holman. but you know every kid from birth to the age of 18 has the right to free health care from the government. Its just a matter of the parents to apply for it.

Hm, I seem to get free health care till the day I die... doesn't seem fair does it.
You are in Canada you dont count
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By snowstar12 2010-03-22 12:32:14
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yeah i messed up, oh well im human. But no edit button so it stays. ^^
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By Garuda.Glaciont 2010-03-22 12:32:21
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Midgardsormr.Frobeus said:
Garuda.Glaciont said:
snowstar12 said:
Lakshmi.Holman said:
A kid I knew when I was young died from lack of health care. I'm glad that everyone can benefit from this, who knows how many great people died because of no health care benefits.
Im sorry for ur lose Holman. but you know every kid from birth to the age of 18 has the right to free health care from the government. Its just a matter of the parents to apply for it.
Hm, I seem to get free health care till the day I die... doesn't seem fair does it.

No, your health care isn't free.

And honestly, I don't care how good the plan is, or how many people it will "save" the government needs to gtfo of our lives.

For everyone else from other countries that already have the government running their lives I don't expect you to understand, but for the people that are actually from here to willingly give up your freedoms is almost treason to me.

This government and all their mandated *** can kiss my ***.

Lol what the ***, the government doesn't run my countries life. No one has a given up their freedom to do anything. We have a constitution for a reason. Your insinuating that every other person in every other country except America is a tool.
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By Garuda.Glaciont 2010-03-22 12:33:45
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Lakshmi.Auroralith said:
count
Garuda.Glaciont said:
snowstar12 said:
Lakshmi.Holman said:
A kid I knew when I was young died from lack of health care. I'm glad that everyone can benefit from this, who knows how many great people died because of no health care benefits.
Im sorry for ur lose Holman. but you know every kid from birth to the age of 18 has the right to free health care from the government. Its just a matter of the parents to apply for it.

Hm, I seem to get free health care till the day I die... doesn't seem fair does it.
You are in Canada you dont count

Lol I count because I'm in a health profession :D
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By Ifrit.Cright 2010-03-22 12:34:32
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What happened to the process:

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By Eirinne 2010-03-22 12:35:09
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Lakshmi.Auroralith said:
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Garuda.Glaciont said:
snowstar12 said:
Lakshmi.Holman said:
A kid I knew when I was young died from lack of health care. I'm glad that everyone can benefit from this, who knows how many great people died because of no health care benefits.
Im sorry for ur lose Holman. but you know every kid from birth to the age of 18 has the right to free health care from the government. Its just a matter of the parents to apply for it.

Hm, I seem to get free health care till the day I die... doesn't seem fair does it.
You are in Canada you dont count

there is no such thing as free health care. SOMEONE is paying for it.

and heath care isnt a right, it's privelege.
Midgardsormr.Frobeus said:
Garuda.Glaciont said:
snowstar12 said:
Lakshmi.Holman said:
A kid I knew when I was young died from lack of health care. I'm glad that everyone can benefit from this, who knows how many great people died because of no health care benefits.
Im sorry for ur lose Holman. but you know every kid from birth to the age of 18 has the right to free health care from the government. Its just a matter of the parents to apply for it.
Hm, I seem to get free health care till the day I die... doesn't seem fair does it.

No, your health care isn't free.

And honestly, I don't care how good the plan is, or how many people it will "save" the government needs to gtfo of our lives.

For everyone else from other countries that already have the government running their lives I don't expect you to understand, but for the people that are actually from here to willingly give up your freedoms is almost treason to me.

This government and all their mandated *** can kiss my ***.


absolutely.

free insurance? I lol. there is no such thing. someone is paying for it, and it comes out of you some how. trust me.
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By snowstar12 2010-03-22 12:36:10
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Garuda.Glaciont said:
Lakshmi.Auroralith said:
count
Garuda.Glaciont said:
snowstar12 said:
Lakshmi.Holman said:
A kid I knew when I was young died from lack of health care. I'm glad that everyone can benefit from this, who knows how many great people died because of no health care benefits.
Im sorry for ur lose Holman. but you know every kid from birth to the age of 18 has the right to free health care from the government. Its just a matter of the parents to apply for it.

Hm, I seem to get free health care till the day I die... doesn't seem fair does it.
You are in Canada you dont count

Lol I count because I'm in a health profession :D
But you are not from the United States
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By Caitsith.Zefiris 2010-03-22 12:38:15
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Yeah I don't understand how people think they get things free.... either your neighbor with a job pays for you, or the government borrows/prints money. Neither option is free or without consequence. :)
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By snowstar12 2010-03-22 12:41:04
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Caitsith.Zefiris said:
Yeah I don't understand how people think they get things free.... either your neighbor with a job pays for you, or the government borrows/prints money. Neither option is free or without consequence. :)
Yuppers
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By Fenrir.Didgist 2010-03-22 12:41:24
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Quoted from Rafik of Seraph

Page 22 of the HC Bill: Mandates that the Govt will audit books of all employers that self-insure!!
Page 30 Sec 123 of HC bill: THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get.
Page 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill: YOUR HEALTH CARE IS RATIONED!!!
Page 42 of HC Bill: The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC benefits for you. You have no choice!
Page 50 Section 152 in HC bill: HC will be provided to ALL non-US citizens, illegal or otherwise.
Page 58 HC Bill: Govt will have real-time access to individuals' finances & a 'National ID Health card' will be issued! (Papers please!)
Page 59 HC Bill lines 21-24: Govt will have direct access to your bank accounts for elective funds transfer. (Time for more cash and carry)
Page 65 Sec 164: Is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in unions & community organizations: (ACORN).
Page 84 Sec 203 HC bill: Govt mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the 'Exchange.'
Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans -- The Govt will ration your health care!
Page 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill: Govt mandates linguistic appropriate services. (Translation: illegal aliens.)
Page 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18: The Govt will use groups (i.e. ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Govt HC plan.
Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans. (AARP members - your health care WILL be rationed!)
Page 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill: Medicaid eligible individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. (No choice.)
Page 124 lines 24-25 HC: No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Govt monopoly.
Page 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill: Doctors/ American Medical Association - The Govt will tell YOU what salary you can make.
Page 145 Line 15-17: An Employer MUST auto-enroll employees into public option plan. (NO choice!)
Page 126 Lines 22-25: Employers MUST pay for HC for part-time employees AND their families. (Employees shouldn't get excited about this as employers will be forced to reduce its work force, benefits, and wages/salaries to cover such a huge expense.)
Page 149 Lines 16-24: ANY Employer with payroll 401k & above who does not provide public option will pay 8% tax on all payroll! (See the last comment in parenthesis.)
Page 150 Lines 9-13: A business with payroll between $251K & $401K who doesn't provide public option will pay 2-6% tax on all payroll.
Page 167 Lines 18-23: ANY individual who doesn't have acceptable HC according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of income.
Page 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill: Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay.) (Like always)
Page 195 HC Bill: Officers & employees of the GOVT HC Admin. will have access to ALL Americans' finances and personal records. (I guess so they can 'deduct' their fees)
Page 203 Line 14-15 HC: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." (Yes, it really says that!) ( a 'fee' instead)
Page 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill: Govt will reduce physician services for Medicaid Seniors. (Low-income and the poor are affected)
Page 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill: Doctors: It doesn't matter what specialty you have trained yourself in -- you will all be paid the same! (Just TRY to tell me that's not Socialism!)
Page 253 Line 10-18: The Govt sets the value of a doctor's time, profession, judgment, etc. (Literally-- the value of humans.)

Page 265 Sec 1131: The Govt mandates and controls productivity for "private" HC industries.
Page 268 Sec 1141: The federal Govt regulates the rental and purchase of power driven wheelchairs.
Page 272 SEC. 1145: TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!
Page 280 Sec 1151: The Govt will penalize hospitals for whatever the Govt deems preventable (i.e...re-admissions).

Page 298 Lines 9-11: Doctors: If you treat a patient during initial admission that results in a re-admission -- the Govt will penalize you.
Page 317 L 13-20: PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. (The Govt tells doctors what and how much they can own!)
Page 317-318 lines 21-25, 1-3: PROHIBITION on expansion. (The Govt is mandating that hospitals cannot expand.)
Page 321 2-13: Hospitals have the opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input is required. (Can you say ACORN?)
Page 335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339: The Govt mandates establishment of outcome-based measures. (HC the way they want -- rationing.)
Page 341 Lines 3-9: The Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Advance Plans, HMOs, etc. (Forcing people into the Govt plan)
Page 354 Sec 1177: The Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of 'special needs people!' Unbelievable!
Page 379 Sec 1191: The Govt creates more bureaucracy via a "Tele-Health Advisory Committee." (Can you say HC by phone?)
Page 425 Lines 4-12: The Govt mandates "Advance-Care Planning Consult." (Think senior citizens end-of-life patients.)
Page 425 Lines 17-19: The Govt will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. (And it's mandatory!)
Page 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3: The Govt provides an "approved" list of end-of-life resources; guiding you in death. (Also called 'assisted suicide.')(Sounds like Soylent Green to me.)
Page 427 Lines 15-24: The Govt mandates a program for orders on "end-of-life." (The Govt has a say in how your life ends!)
Page 429 Lines 1-9: An "advanced-care planning consultant" will be used frequently as a patient's health deteriorates.
Page 429 Lines 10-12: An "advanced care consultation" may include an ORDER for end-of-life plans.. (AN ORDER TO DIE FROM THE GOVERNMENT?!?)
Page 429 Lines 13-25: The GOVT will specify which doctors can write an end-of-life order. (I wouldn't want to stand before God after getting paid for THAT job!)
Page 430 Lines 11-15: The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end - of-life! (Again -- no choice!)
Page 469: Community-Based Home Medical Services = Non-Profit Organizations. (Hello? ACORN Medical Services here!?!)
Page 489 Sec 1308: The Govt will cover marriage and family therapy. (Which means Govt will insert itself into your marriage even.)
Page 494-498: Govt will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, and rationing those services.
Here are some things that are in the bill Page 22 of the HC Bill: Mandates that the Govt will audit books of all employers that self-insure!! Page 30 Sec 123 of HC bill: THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get. Page 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill: YOUR HEALTH CARE IS RATIONED!!! Page 42 of HC Bill: The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC benefits for you. You have no choice! Page 50 Section 152 in HC bill: HC will be provided to ALL non-US citizens, illegal or otherwise. Page 58 HC Bill: Govt will have real-time access to individuals' finances & a 'National ID Health card' will be issued! (Papers please!) Page 59 HC Bill lines 21-24: Govt will have direct access to your bank accounts for elective funds transfer. (Time for more cash and carry) Page 65 Sec 164: Is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in unions & community organizations: (ACORN). Page 84 Sec 203 HC bill: Govt mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the 'Exchange.' Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans -- The Govt will ration your health care! Page 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill: Govt mandates linguistic appropriate services. (Translation: illegal aliens.) Page 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18: The Govt will use groups (i.e. ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Govt HC plan. Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans. (AARP members - your health care WILL be rationed!) Page 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill: Medicaid eligible individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. (No choice.) Page 124 lines 24-25 HC: No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Govt monopoly. Page 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill: Doctors/ American Medical Association - The Govt will tell YOU what salary you can make. Page 145 Line 15-17: An Employer MUST auto-enroll employees into public option plan. (NO choice!) Page 126 Lines 22-25: Employers MUST pay for HC for part-time employees AND their families. (Employees shouldn't get excited about this as employers will be forced to reduce its work force, benefits, and wages/salaries to cover such a huge expense.) Page 149 Lines 16-24: ANY Employer with payroll 401k & above who does not provide public option will pay 8% tax on all payroll! (See the last comment in parenthesis.) Page 150 Lines 9-13: A business with payroll between $251K & $401K who doesn't provide public option will pay 2-6% tax on all payroll. Page 167 Lines 18-23: ANY individual who doesn't have acceptable HC according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of income. Page 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill: Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay.) (Like always) Page 195 HC Bill: Officers & employees of the GOVT HC Admin. will have access to ALL Americans' finances and personal records. (I guess so they can 'deduct' their fees) Page 203 Line 14-15 HC: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." (Yes, it really says that!) ( a 'fee' instead) Page 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill: Govt will reduce physician services for Medicaid Seniors. (Low-income and the poor are affected) Page 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill: Doctors: It doesn't matter what specialty you have trained yourself in -- you will all be paid the same! (Just TRY to tell me that's not Socialism!) Page 253 Line 10-18: The Govt sets the value of a doctor's time, profession, judgment, etc. (Literally-- the value of humans.) Page 265 Sec 1131: The Govt mandates and controls productivity for "private" HC industries. Page 268 Sec 1141: The federal Govt regulates the rental and purchase of power driven wheelchairs. Page 272 SEC. 1145: TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing! Page 280 Sec 1151: The Govt will penalize hospitals for whatever the Govt deems preventable (i.e...re-admissions). Page 298 Lines 9-11: Doctors: If you treat a patient during initial admission that results in a re-admission -- the Govt will penalize you. Page 317 L 13-20: PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. (The Govt tells doctors what and how much they can own!) Page 317-318 lines 21-25, 1-3: PROHIBITION on expansion. (The Govt is mandating that hospitals cannot expand.) Page 321 2-13: Hospitals have the opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input is required. (Can you say ACORN?) Page 335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339: The Govt mandates establishment of outcome-based measures. (HC the way they want -- rationing.) Page 341 Lines 3-9: The Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Advance Plans, HMOs, etc. (Forcing people into the Govt plan) Page 354 Sec 1177: The Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of 'special needs people!' Unbelievable! Page 379 Sec 1191: The Govt creates more bureaucracy via a "Tele-Health Advisory Committee." (Can you say HC by phone?) Page 425 Lines 4-12: The Govt mandates "Advance-Care Planning Consult." (Think senior citizens end-of-life patients.) Page 425 Lines 17-19: The Govt will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. (And it's mandatory!) Page 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3: The Govt provides an "approved" list of end-of-life resources; guiding you in death. (Also called 'assisted suicide.')(Sounds like Soylent Green to me.) Page 427 Lines 15-24: The Govt mandates a program for orders on "end-of-life." (The Govt has a say in how your life ends!) Page 429 Lines 1-9: An "advanced-care planning consultant" will be used frequently as a patient's health deteriorates. Page 429 Lines 10-12: An "advanced care consultation" may include an ORDER for end-of-life plans.. (AN ORDER TO DIE FROM THE GOVERNMENT?!?) Page 429 Lines 13-25: The GOVT will specify which doctors can write an end-of-life order. (I wouldn't want to stand before God after getting paid for THAT job!) Page 430 Lines 11-15: The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end - of-life! (Again -- no choice!) Page 469: Community-Based Home Medical Services = Non-Profit Organizations. (Hello? ACORN Medical Services here!?!) Page 489 Sec 1308: The Govt will cover marriage and family therapy. (Which means Govt will insert itself into your marriage even.) Page 494-498: Govt will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, and rationing those services.


/thread
Thank you


EDIT: Wait what the hell.

It's not about who is going to pay for it.
This is a giant set up.

Page 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3: The Govt provides an "approved" list of end-of-life resources; guiding you in death.

Population control =)
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Midgardsormr.Frobeus said:
Odin.Kalico said:
Lakshmi.Auroralith said:
wow
Odin.Kalico said:
All you guys bitching about the HC reform actually don't have to accept it, after all this is america and you have free will, ***just go kill yourself and you won't have to deal with it and you can stop QQing. There is always a choice 8)
wow ur a *** was that really needed? we are just debating it. We are allowed to have a point of view. Yeah it may not change anything but its nice to express how we feel.
What fukin ever, on another note your actually right and i'm just expressing my opinion. Sad to see so many Zombies, my point is who really gives a ***in reality you have no choice any way so suck it up and deal with it or actually do something and make a change. Obama, congress, republicans or demacratic senate don't give 2 shits about you wake the *** up. Your only here to make $$$ for the rich and privlaged as always. I lol @ people blaming Obama like if any other president was in office ***would be different lol wake the *** up grow a pair of balls and accept reality get the *** out your glass bubble for once.
I swear quite a bit, but this can barely even be considered english.

The truth sucks bro so go ahead and pick apart my post with idle BS but its still the truth you can't change that 8)
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Ok since I can't quote an entire box Seraph.Rafik. I'm gonna label a few things that make you sound dumb for saying the government wants to run your life.


Page 30 Sec 123 of HC bill: THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get.

Would you rather have a board of directors who are only interested in the business and money of health care?

Page 58 HC Bill: Govt will have real-time access to individuals' finances & a 'National ID Health card' will be issued! (Papers please!)

Your saying you already don't have health cards...?

Page 429 Lines 10-12: An "advanced care consultation" may include an ORDER for end-of-life plans.. (AN ORDER TO DIE FROM THE GOVERNMENT?!?)

What the ***? It's called hospices dumbass

Page 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3: The Govt provides an "approved" list of end-of-life resources; guiding you in death. (Also called 'assisted suicide.')(Sounds like Soylent Green to me.)

Once again, hospices.


Page 253 Line 10-18: The Govt sets the value of a doctor's time, profession, judgment, etc. (Literally-- the value of humans.)

Your *** health insurance companies already do that, except they deny your claims when the time comes.


Page 354 Sec 1177: The Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of 'special needs people!' Unbelievable!

As if your current system doesn't already restrict it.


Page 489 Sec 1308: The Govt will cover marriage and family therapy. (Which means Govt will insert itself into your marriage even.)

Your HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE, the Government inserting itself into counseling?

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The new sequel to the bestseller, 1984. It's... 2010!
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Lakshmi.Auroralith said:
I do not know a single person that works 2-3 jobs and is still really hard off. I mean yeah they are not rich but they can afford a house a decent car and to go have fun. The rally poor people are just lazy.

A two parent, zero population growth household containing two full time jobs at minimum wage is just above the poverty line- not a lot of fun having there, especially when things like "being healthy" is a luxury.



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The system is abused by unemployed people. I could make more money from the government if i did not work as opposed to me working. But i cant just sit at home bored. Others on the other hand dont care.

I think you greatly overestimate how much welfare provides.



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The typical person with food stamps, and no im not being a racist here, but are black women with kids
Yes, yes you are, and a little sexist as well



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and they come into the store wearing name brand stuff like baby phat

You can get a pair of Baby Phat jeans for about 10-20 bucks if you know where to shop. And before you go there, I mean stores- not of the back of a truck.




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with a roll of at least a few hundred dollars in their wallet.


Have you considered they might not have a bank account?



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So why in the hell would they work if they are better off just having fun?
Because obviously a life of poverty is preferred to the tragic existence of the upper class
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It's amazing to see how far from realities some people live.
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Movie: "Jhon Q"

PS: whats *** up about it is that MOST if not ALL insurance companies are like that... & im not going off based on what a movie showed me, the fact of the matter is something similar happened to my uncle which passed away (rest his soul) and was denied insurance because he didnt "qualify" made me emotional when it happened its just so surreal like "this cant be happening" type of effect.
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Cerberus.Arkhana said:
It's amazing to see how far from realities some people live.

I hope your referring to Lakshmi.Auroralith, he clearly thinks living below the poverty line and being on welfare is teh *** life of the party.
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Glaciont, no point in arguing with you. You just call people retards.

Sure dont let the doctors decide what treatments you need, cause the government knows best.

Your bank accounts are going to be linked with yous Health Insurance cards.

Let the government decide who they going to kill and when.


Why do you care so much, do you live in the US, is this bill going to change your life?
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Still not taking sides. (I'm actually very ambivalent about the bill itself, so that's not hard for me.) But it's interesting to watch some core conservatives break ranks over how this whole thing went down.

Bush speechwriter and conservative columnist David Frum today:

DavidFrum said:
Conservatives and Republicans today suffered their most crushing legislative defeat since the 1960s.

It’s hard to exaggerate the magnitude of the disaster. Conservatives may cheer themselves that they’ll compensate for today’s expected vote with a big win in the November 2010 elections. But:

(1) It’s a good bet that conservatives are over-optimistic about November – by then the economy will have improved and the immediate goodies in the healthcare bill will be reaching key voting blocs.

(2) So what? Legislative majorities come and go. This healthcare bill is forever. A win in November is very poor compensation for this debacle now.

So far, I think a lot of conservatives will agree with me. Now comes the hard lesson:

A huge part of the blame for today’s disaster attaches to conservatives and Republicans ourselves.

At the beginning of this process we made a strategic decision: unlike, say, Democrats in 2001 when President Bush proposed his first tax cut, we would make no deal with the administration. No negotiations, no compromise, nothing. We were going for all the marbles. This would be Obama’s Waterloo – just as healthcare was Clinton’s in 1994.

Only, the hardliners overlooked a few key facts: Obama was elected with 53% of the vote, not Clinton’s 42%. The liberal block within the Democratic congressional caucus is bigger and stronger than it was in 1993-94. And of course the Democrats also remember their history, and also remember the consequences of their 1994 failure.

This time, when we went for all the marbles, we ended with none.

Could a deal have been reached? Who knows? But we do know that the gap between this plan and traditional Republican ideas is not very big. The Obama plan has a broad family resemblance to Mitt Romney’s Massachusetts plan. It builds on ideas developed at the Heritage Foundation in the early 1990s that formed the basis for Republican counter-proposals to Clintoncare in 1993-1994.

Barack Obama badly wanted Republican votes for his plan. Could we have leveraged his desire to align the plan more closely with conservative views? To finance it without redistributive taxes on productive enterprise – without weighing so heavily on small business – without expanding Medicaid? Too late now. They are all the law.

No illusions please: This bill will not be repealed. Even if Republicans scored a 1994 style landslide in November, how many votes could we muster to re-open the “doughnut hole” and charge seniors more for prescription drugs? How many votes to re-allow insurers to rescind policies when they discover a pre-existing condition? How many votes to banish 25 year olds from their parents’ insurance coverage? And even if the votes were there – would President Obama sign such a repeal?

We followed the most radical voices in the party and the movement, and they led us to abject and irreversible defeat.

There were leaders who knew better, who would have liked to deal. But they were trapped. Conservative talkers on Fox and talk radio had whipped the Republican voting base into such a frenzy that deal-making was rendered impossible. How do you negotiate with somebody who wants to murder your grandmother? Or – more exactly – with somebody whom your voters have been persuaded to believe wants to murder their grandmother?

I’ve been on a soapbox for months now about the harm that our overheated talk is doing to us. Yes it mobilizes supporters – but by mobilizing them with hysterical accusations and pseudo-information, overheated talk has made it impossible for representatives to represent and elected leaders to lead. The real leaders are on TV and radio, and they have very different imperatives from people in government. Talk radio thrives on confrontation and recrimination. When Rush Limbaugh said that he wanted President Obama to fail, he was intelligently explaining his own interests. What he omitted to say – but what is equally true – is that he also wants Republicans to fail. If Republicans succeed – if they govern successfully in office and negotiate attractive compromises out of office – Rush’s listeners get less angry. And if they are less angry, they listen to the radio less, and hear fewer ads for Sleepnumber beds.

So today’s defeat for free-market economics and Republican values is a huge win for the conservative entertainment industry. Their listeners and viewers will now be even more enraged, even more frustrated, even more disappointed in everybody except the responsibility-free talkers on television and radio. For them, it’s mission accomplished. For the cause they purport to represent, it’s Waterloo all right: ours.
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