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 Ragnarok.Psyence
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By Ragnarok.Psyence 2010-04-28 07:15:37
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Gilgamesh.Samuraiking said:
You haven't accepted him so you don't know the joys and wonders of believing, if you would just give him a chance he will show you the true way and you will get to be with him forever in heavens.

Let me rephrase what you said, replacing faith with Atheism, in a semi-sarcastic way.

If you only opened your mind, researched, read and accepted the scientific evidence pointing towards the fact that God "probably" doesn't exist, you would find yourself enjoying and cherishing life more. You'd know that life is short and precious, not just just some kind of passage between dimensions. Every time someone comes up with solid points, you'd be ready to change your mind if shown demonstrable evidence, rather than having blind faith in something that you can only feel in a subjective way but can't demonstrate. Freedom of thought is godly, you just haven't tried it... :)

This whole "you don't believe because you haven't given it a chance" is really getting old. You can say that about anything, even a movie. "You just haven't watched it! That's why you don't think it's the best movie ever." But if it's going to be subjective (ex: liking a movie or not) it's a worthless argument.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-04-28 07:19:23
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Most religion is just a belief system, built so that the weak minded could live "immortally" after death.

Science is based on facts or hypothesis and theories based on a lot of evidence and/or direct observation.
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By Fenrir.Empedocles 2010-04-28 08:33:19
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I apologise in advance if they have been mentioned, I only read about 24 pages before I had to go to work a few nights ago, and haven't been back since now, but...

Why does nobody mention the Amish in threads like these?
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By Sylph.Maruraba 2010-04-28 08:45:40
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Fenrir.Empedocles said:
I apologise in advance if they have been mentioned, I only read about 24 pages before I had to go to work a few nights ago, and haven't been back since now, but...

Why does nobody mention the Amish in threads like these?
Seems hardly fair, it's not like they're going to be on these forums to defend themselves.
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By Fenrir.Empedocles 2010-04-28 09:10:09
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Sylph.Maruraba said:
Fenrir.Empedocles said:
I apologise in advance if they have been mentioned, I only read about 24 pages before I had to go to work a few nights ago, and haven't been back since now, but...

Why does nobody mention the Amish in threads like these?
Seems hardly fair, it's not like they're going to be on these forums to defend themselves.

I guess that's true. Also last I heard no Amish ever went crazy and blew away some kiddies at a school or summthin' (Or at least, I never heard of it...)

Time for bed :O Keep up the good readin' peoples!
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By Caitsith.Merlitz 2010-04-28 09:33:13
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By Odin.Trelan 2010-04-28 10:23:56
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Gilgamesh.Samuraiking said:
You haven't accepted him so you don't know the joys and wonders of believing, if you would just give him a chance he will show you the true way and you will get to be with him forever in heavens.


I'm with Samuraiking. You will not know until you have Faith. You may not believe in God but he believes in you. He is a loving and forgiving God, in that you may not have Faith now, but if you accept him on your death bed he will accept you. My life has improved exponentually through my Faith. There will always be ups and downs, but with God on my side I have no reason to fear anything.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-04-28 10:27:27
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Odin.Trelan said:
Gilgamesh.Samuraiking said:
You haven't accepted him so you don't know the joys and wonders of believing, if you would just give him a chance he will show you the true way and you will get to be with him forever in heavens.
You may not believe in God but he believes in you. He is a loving and forgiving God,
The same forgiving god that flooded the planet to get rid of the planet's corruption?
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-04-28 10:28:43
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Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Odin.Trelan said:
Gilgamesh.Samuraiking said:
You haven't accepted him so you don't know the joys and wonders of believing, if you would just give him a chance he will show you the true way and you will get to be with him forever in heavens.
You may not believe in God but he believes in you. He is a loving and forgiving God,
The same forgiving god that flooded the planet to get rid of the planet's corruption?


inb4 God works in mysterious ways.
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By Sylph.Spency 2010-04-28 10:29:08
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Asura.Jetzabel said:
Caitsith.Merlitz said:


Oh that's right, planet earth = USA. {Understood}

Perhaps the video should be renamed to "Why an American atheist cares". Kind of ironic that someone with a Canadian flag next to their name posted this link =p

The Americans are brainwashing us :<
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2010-04-28 10:31:46
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The bible says Adam became 930 years old, how can you belive in a book with that kind of *** in it?
The oldest man in the bible became 969 years old, how the ***?
It´s all a load of *** and they were all on shrooms, that explains all the supernatural stuff.

I "belive in" science, as I only belive what you can prove or I can see with my own eyes.
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By Odin.Trelan 2010-04-28 10:31:46
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Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Odin.Trelan said:
Gilgamesh.Samuraiking said:
You haven't accepted him so you don't know the joys and wonders of believing, if you would just give him a chance he will show you the true way and you will get to be with him forever in heavens.
You may not believe in God but he believes in you. He is a loving and forgiving God,
The same forgiving god that flooded the planet to get rid of the planet's corruption?

That's right, how do we know that all of those corrupted people were not accepted into Heaven? We are making too many assumptions based on thousand year old events.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-04-28 10:32:43
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Ok guys, I'm going to slaughter you all and then bring you to heaven.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-04-28 10:33:21
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Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Ok guys, I'm going to slaughter you all and then bring you to heaven.

That sounds somewhat like Terrorist ideals.
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By Sylph.Spency 2010-04-28 10:34:00
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Why can't people just let other people lead their own lives?

I dunno what I believe, but I will find it out for myself, thanks.

As long as you don't preach to me, we're cool.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-04-28 10:34:36
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Sylph.Spency said:
Why can't people just let other people lead their own lives?

I dunno what I believe, but I will find it out for myself, thanks.

As long as you don't preach to me, we're cool.

That comes from both sides, Atheists preaching are imo as annoying as religious nuts preaching.
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By Sylph.Spency 2010-04-28 10:38:34
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I didn't think that came off as particularly preachy. /shrug

I knew better than to get into this thread!

Good day!
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2010-04-28 10:40:33
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Asura.Jetzabel said:
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
I "belive in" science, as I only belive what you can prove or I can see with my own eyes.

Great time to quote lyrics from a popular song:

"I don't see what I can feel
if vision is the only validation
then most of my life isn't real"

I'm neither religious or scientific. You can't 'prove' either and I'll go back to my original point from pages ago - science often changes it's mind about 'facts'. Something that is proven now may well be disproved/changed in 50 years. Can one of you science nuts then please explain to me what your definition of 'proof' is and how it isn't basically a collectively shared subjective view just like religion if it can change whenever it wants?

Humans seek meaning and belonging. That is why there is religion, and that is why we have people who blindly believe any 'proof' science gives us. {Congratulations}

Theoretical science and science based on pure facts are different.

You cant change a fact, but you can change a theory.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-04-28 10:41:36
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Cerberus.Kvazz said:
Asura.Jetzabel said:
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
I "belive in" science, as I only belive what you can prove or I can see with my own eyes.

Great time to quote lyrics from a popular song:

"I don't see what I can feel
if vision is the only validation
then most of my life isn't real"

I'm neither religious or scientific. You can't 'prove' either and I'll go back to my original point from pages ago - science often changes it's mind about 'facts'. Something that is proven now may well be disproved/changed in 50 years. Can one of you science nuts then please explain to me what your definition of 'proof' is and how it isn't basically a collectively shared subjective view just like religion if it can change whenever it wants?

Humans seek meaning and belonging. That is why there is religion, and that is why we have people who blindly believe any 'proof' science gives us. {Congratulations}

Theoretical science and science based on pure facts are different.

You cant change a fact, but you can change a theory.
You can change facts. It's a fact that my arm is not raised. If you were to repeat that statement at the same time you're reading this post, you'd be wrong!
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-04-28 10:43:43
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Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
Asura.Jetzabel said:
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
I "belive in" science, as I only belive what you can prove or I can see with my own eyes.

Great time to quote lyrics from a popular song:

"I don't see what I can feel
if vision is the only validation
then most of my life isn't real"

I'm neither religious or scientific. You can't 'prove' either and I'll go back to my original point from pages ago - science often changes it's mind about 'facts'. Something that is proven now may well be disproved/changed in 50 years. Can one of you science nuts then please explain to me what your definition of 'proof' is and how it isn't basically a collectively shared subjective view just like religion if it can change whenever it wants?

Humans seek meaning and belonging. That is why there is religion, and that is why we have people who blindly believe any 'proof' science gives us. {Congratulations}

Theoretical science and science based on pure facts are different.

You cant change a fact, but you can change a theory.
You can change facts. It's a fact that my arm is not raised. If you were to repeat that statement at the same time you're reading this post, you'd be wrong!

That would be subjective based on time.

At the time that you said it it would be a fact and would still remain a fact for that time.

at 10:41 GMT+1 Vegetto's arm is not raised.

that has a remained a fact.

If I was to say Vegetto's arm is not raised then it would no longer be fact.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-04-28 10:45:22
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I never said anything about time though :). If you say it was raised at that time, then you're correct, but if you just say it's raised!
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-04-28 10:46:33
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Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
I never said anything about time though :). If you say it was raised at that time, then you're correct, but if you just say it's raised!

That is true, There can be fallacious statements on both sides of this due to that.
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By Odin.Trelan 2010-04-28 10:51:25
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I believe Earth is your staging point before Heaven/Hell. Good=Heaven Bad=Hell It would be fortuitous for us to think that all of the Bible stories are "verbatim" after being pasted down word of mouth for thousands of years. Look at all of the science, how did it get here? I don't have the answers to all of the questions you may have or the retort to all of the mockery you would like to make of God. I can only offer this, there was a point in my life were I didn't believe, now that I do, my life is better and I am a better person. Coincidence? Maybe. However if we go by the needs proof theory I offer this - My life better with God than it was without. I do believe in "all paths" so in my eyes all good people belong in Heaven. Please remember that I am not an expert. I accept that you may not believe, just try do the right things and this world will be a better place. :)
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-04-28 10:55:59
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Odin.Trelan said:
I believe Earth is your staging point before Heaven/Hell. Good=Heaven Bad=Hell It would be fortuitous for us to think that all of the Bible stories are "verbatim" after being pasted down word of mouth for thousands of years. Look at all of the science, how did it get here? I don't have the answers to all of the questions you may have or the retort to all of the mockery you would like to make of God. I can only offer this, there was a point in my life were I didn't believe, now that I do, my life is better and I am a better person. Coincidence? Maybe. However if we go by the needs proof theory I offer this - My life better with God than it was without. I do believe in "all paths" so in my eyes all good people belong in Heaven. Please remember that I am not an expert. I accept that you may not believe, just try do the right things and this world will be a better place. :)

I don't need faith to be a good person though, The prospect of going to hell due to being bad shouldn't be the reasoning behind whether you are a good person or not.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-04-28 10:57:39
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Honestly, you or anyone else can believe in what they want, but just don't push it on me and we're fine. I do believe in the same things, though, in the sense of try to do the right thing.


The bible is filled w/ holes and conflicts, which is why I don't believe in it.


One major conflict is adam and eve.

God "creates" humanity on the 6th day.

Why do dinosaur fossils go back 65+ million years, but the earliest species of human ancestry (and not even humans, but human like species) date back no more than 3.5 million years.
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