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Religion: If you don't believe in it why does it bother you?
Religion: If you don't believe in it why does it bother you?
Don't feel like reading. It bothers me because it can. If I feel it CAN bother me, thats all I need to know.
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NO! We don't need to friggin live longer! I'm all for helping those with debilitating diseases but the healthy do not need longer life spans. Until we develop moon bases and traveling to other planets ourselves, we need to leave the life span where it is.
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But this type of stem cell research is still new and flawed... which is why it needs more funding, i think. If they can work the kinks out of it, it has the potential to save lots of lives, help people with debilitating diseases live normal lives, and possibly even elongate a person's lifespan.
NO! We don't need to friggin live longer! I'm all for helping those with debilitating diseases but the healthy do not need longer life spans. Until we develop moon bases and traveling to other planets ourselves, we need to leave the life span where it is.
Sylph.Oddin said:
Derail time: NO! We don't need to friggin live longer! I'm all for helping those with debilitating diseases but the healthy do not need longer life spans. Until we develop moon bases and traveling to other planets ourselves, we need to leave the life span where it is.
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But this type of stem cell research is still new and flawed... which is why it needs more funding, i think. If they can work the kinks out of it, it has the potential to save lots of lives, help people with debilitating diseases live normal lives, and possibly even elongate a person's lifespan.
Over population is not a pretty thing, But i personaly would like to live long enough to see moon bases and other worlds.
Ragnarok.Anye said:
CAN I FREAKING GET SOME CONTEXTUAL CITATION (read: CON-TEKST-CHU-WUL SIGH-TAY-SHUN) FOR ANY CLAIMS ON CHRISTIAN "LAWS," PLEASE.
You guys are killing me, both as a science major (we write things called "articles", you may have heard of them) and as a Bible-thumpin' Jesus freak.
You guys are killing me, both as a science major (we write things called "articles", you may have heard of them) and as a Bible-thumpin' Jesus freak.
But that would actually mean researching a topic, Anye. The bandwagon atheists* don't have time for that. They're too busy pining about how religious people make their lives miserable.
*Not saying all posters here are bandwagon atheists. Some actually don't believe in nothing, after reading and researching. But people like Spicyryan are only atheist because it "looks cool."
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Bismarck.Drakelth said:
I personaly think we should teach god based religions in school right along with greek myths and other out dated belief systems and allow children to realize just how stupid their parrents are for teaching them something that has no basis in fact.
Of course there is no basis in fact. That's because any religion or atheism is based on a system of beliefs, that is outside of the realm of science. Nobody can find empirical data to 100% support any of it, because I will say again; it is ALL simply based on belief/faith and is outside of the realm of science.
Trying to use science to disprove any religion or atheism is flawed too, because it goes against the laws of science. That damn belief/faith system gets in the way every time.
The problem comes when people try to pass these things (religion or atheism) off as fact. Then the next statement is, "Ok, show your work," and they simply can't.
Now calling parents stupid for teaching their children whatever religion they follow is going a little far. It's prejudice, it's no different than religious extremists saying, "allowing gay marriage will destroy our society."
There is nothing wrong with parents teaching a child religion. The problem comes when people start calling it science and saying they have scientific evidence (i.e. intelligent design) or they become an evangelical extremist that uses religion as a self-righteous crutch to be judgmental and prejudice to others.
Of course, calling parents stupid for teaching religion is no different than the way evangelicals treat people who don't believe the way they do; good job being equal to those you disagree with.
Ragnarok.Anye said:
What I'd really like to know is, have any of you Bible-bashers actually read the Bible?
No, I mean, really. For the last 15 pages (lol@me, I read 'em all) I've seen most (read: most) of the posters basing their hatred for religion on the actions of ONE stereotype of ONE religion, Christianity.
Fine, BE that way; for all I know the majority of those of you who condescend to so-called "Christianity" live in the Bible Belt and have only been exposed to the actions of Southern Baptist Christian behavior (read: HUMAN hypocrisy). (Not to debase the theology of the Southern Baptist, but rather to state the dominant denomination of the Christian church in that area.)
You proclaim the supposed ignorance of anyone who believes a silly little book of which you've only heard rumors of rumors, or perhaps you've actually been to Sunday School and recall the stories told and conveyed through coloring books and frumpy story-tellers.
Opinions based on fact is what I want. Opinions based on the actual god-damned-breathed Bible (see wut I did thar?) I'll accept. Otherwise you're not criticizing a belief OR a religion--you're criticizing a simply human state of mind, placed within a religious
setting.
No, I mean, really. For the last 15 pages (lol@me, I read 'em all) I've seen most (read: most) of the posters basing their hatred for religion on the actions of ONE stereotype of ONE religion, Christianity.
Fine, BE that way; for all I know the majority of those of you who condescend to so-called "Christianity" live in the Bible Belt and have only been exposed to the actions of Southern Baptist Christian behavior (read: HUMAN hypocrisy). (Not to debase the theology of the Southern Baptist, but rather to state the dominant denomination of the Christian church in that area.)
You proclaim the supposed ignorance of anyone who believes a silly little book of which you've only heard rumors of rumors, or perhaps you've actually been to Sunday School and recall the stories told and conveyed through coloring books and frumpy story-tellers.
Opinions based on fact is what I want. Opinions based on the actual god-
setting.
Ramuh.Ilvex said:
Fact Prop 8 in California was funded by 40 millions dollars for Utah Morons.
To stan I won't go to your level of calling names using curse words to try and prove my point. I have read the bible, I went to Sunday school, I went to a christian k-6 school. I well aware of what the bible says, funny enough it says nothing about hating people diffrent from you, or judging people. Oddly enough it says the exact opposite.
And really and what religion stops females from doing what they will with their bodies? The right to choose.
Edit: Stan you are a horrible debater, by attacking my as a person and not the context of what I said.
When I can find the link to what group of Utah Mormons (mostly) funded prop 8 (the Gay/lesbian discrimination act) I'll post it.
FYI to all those who wish to "protect the union of marriage" go focus on drive-threw weddings in vegas that could take less then 5 minutes before you "protect" marriage between to people who love each other and happen to be gay
To stan I won't go to your level of calling names using curse words to try and prove my point. I have read the bible, I went to Sunday school, I went to a christian k-6 school. I well aware of what the bible says, funny enough it says nothing about hating people diffrent from you, or judging people. Oddly enough it says the exact opposite.
And really and what religion stops females from doing what they will with their bodies? The right to choose.
Edit: Stan you are a horrible debater, by attacking my as a person and not the context of what I said.
When I can find the link to what group of Utah Mormons (mostly) funded prop 8 (the Gay/lesbian discrimination act) I'll post it.
FYI to all those who wish to "protect the union of marriage" go focus on drive-threw weddings in vegas that could take less then 5 minutes before you "protect" marriage between to people who love each other and happen to be gay
Sorry to tell you the truth, I can debate my *** off. you guys are giving me such head ache that I do not feel I need to. All I have said in my post to you, was based off the fact of you stating statistical facts, of some BULL *** ***I COULD CARELESS ABOUT.
If you can debate with out doing this, an example again. Telling me how religion effected "YOU" NOT ANYONE ELSE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!! Then I'll respond like I give a ***.
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You can believe in what you want, religion is not your problem. I doubt the people you mentioned in your statistical data are mad at religion, I bet they are religious themselves. If any of you have a problem with something look at politicians.
Again you want to be an atheist go ahead, People who are religious are not your problem or bothering you. Therefore you should not be bothering them ^^b, that is it.
Like Ayana said, there is more than one type of religion and not all of them refer to the god mentioned in the bible. So you and people like the Op are actually the ignorant ones, who started with people aka Christians and who like to fuel debates like this. Ironic no? You are wondering why there is always fighting and this is it.
Actually, I have read the Bible cover-to-cover more than once. Like I said before, my parents and entire family were (and still are) very devout, strict Christians. They are Baptist, if that matters to you. I attended Sunday School and Church every Sunday morning and night church every Sunday night, Awana Club every Wednesday after school. (Approved Workmen Are Not Ashamed, it's sorta like boy scouts and girl scouts, only in church.) When I outgrew Awana, I went to Wednesday Youth Group every week. Every night from the time I was a baby, my Dad read my siblings and I books from the Bible before bedtime. I'm not going to tell you that I know every single thing the Bible ever said, because that would be untrue. But I do know a damn lot of it, because I grew up in an environment saturated with it.
Odin.Liela said:
Actually, I have read the Bible cover-to-cover more than once. Like I said before, my parents and entire family were (and still are) very devout, strict Christians. They are Baptist, if that matters to you. I attended Sunday School and Church every Sunday morning and night church every Sunday night, Awana Club every Wednesday after school. (Approved Workmen Are Not Ashamed, it's sorta like boy scouts and girl scouts, only in church.) When I outgrew Awana, I went to Wednesday Youth Group every week. Every night from the time I was a baby, my Dad read my siblings and I books from the Bible before bedtime. I'm not going to tell you that I know every single thing the Bible ever said, because that would be untrue. But I do know a damn lot of it, because I grew up in an environment saturated with it.
So have I strict parents, sunday, choir etc. except I stopped going to choir even when I was begged to go, I do not like to sing so leave me alone.
Bahamut.Stanflame said:
Odin.Liela said:
Actually, I have read the Bible cover-to-cover more than once. Like I said before, my parents and entire family were (and still are) very devout, strict Christians. They are Baptist, if that matters to you. I attended Sunday School and Church every Sunday morning and night church every Sunday night, Awana Club every Wednesday after school. (Approved Workmen Are Not Ashamed, it's sorta like boy scouts and girl scouts, only in church.) When I outgrew Awana, I went to Wednesday Youth Group every week. Every night from the time I was a baby, my Dad read my siblings and I books from the Bible before bedtime. I'm not going to tell you that I know every single thing the Bible ever said, because that would be untrue. But I do know a damn lot of it, because I grew up in an environment saturated with it.
So have I strict parents, sunday, choir etc. except I stopped going to choir even when I was begged to go, I do not like to sing so leave me alone.
I believe I said earlier more than once that God and Christians don't bother me, and in fact my best friend is a Christian. I simply don't like it when they try to convert me. You are correct that I don't know every single religion and whatnot out there. That's not really my point. My point is, I will respect your beliefs if you respect that I am agnostic and will remain so.
Sylph.Oddin said:
I have read the Bible, been to church many times and attended Sunday School as a child. I did these things due to my grandparents. As an adult now, I do none of the above because even as a child I was saying to myself, "Waitwut?..."
Odin.Liela said:
Actually, I have read the Bible cover-to-cover more than once. Like I said before, my parents and entire family were (and still are) very devout, strict Christians. They are Baptist, if that matters to you. I attended Sunday School and Church every Sunday morning and night church every Sunday night, Awana Club every Wednesday after school. (Approved Workmen Are Not Ashamed, it's sorta like boy scouts and girl scouts, only in church.) When I outgrew Awana, I went to Wednesday Youth Group every week. Every night from the time I was a baby, my Dad read my siblings and I books from the Bible before bedtime. I'm not going to tell you that I know every single thing the Bible ever said, because that would be untrue. But I do know a damn lot of it, because I grew up in an environment saturated with it.
See, Oddin and Liela's replies are respectable: You both have actually been exposed to the stuff, and you're basing your opinions on personal experience. You've looked into it and said, "Yeah, not my thing."
Even this, I'll accept:
Bismarck.Drakelth said:
The bible like any religous text is up to interpretation, and can be used to justify anything, genocide, stonings, blowing up hospitals, ect. ect..
Now this....
Shiva.Gylfie said:
Don't feel like reading. It bothers me because it can. If I feel it CAN bother me, thats all I need to know.
-edit- What also irks me is my ineptness at reading posts. :3
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Ragnarok.Anye said:
If you're going to argue, at least argue well.
I appreciate the sentiment. If you've got an opinion that you want to share, and you want someone to spend time reading, please back it up with at least some cursory reasearch.
if you just want to scream OMGZ CHRISTIANS/ATHEISTS R SO DUM!!!111
make a flame core thread
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Religion bothers me because I feel as though if humans would be able to find morals in something else without having the concept of afterlife hanging over our heads and a supreme ruler, we'd be able to move a lot faster and do even more amazing things. I feel like if we got rid of religion we'd be putting aside a major difference that isn't really a difference at all since most modern religions are "peaceful" by nature anyways. Once we get rid of that, we'd focus more on our current life.
Least, that's what I'd like to believe.
Least, that's what I'd like to believe.
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It's the anti-intellectual movement, Anye. If an idea can't be expressed in a text message it isn't worth thinking about. Wall-of-texts are to be avoided or skipped outright for fear of reading. It doesn't matter what is said anyway if you're just going to post a CSB picture to reply.
But perhaps Halloween was just being sarcastic.
But perhaps Halloween was just being sarcastic.
Carbuncle.Sevourn said:
Ragnarok.Anye said:
If you're going to argue, at least argue well.
I appreciate the sentiment. If you've got an opinion that you want to share, and you want someone to spend time reading, please back it up with at least some cursory reasearch.
if you just want to scream OMGZ CHRISTIANS/ATHEISTS R SO DUM!!!111
make a flame core thread
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Ragnarok.Blindphleb said:
But perhaps Halloween was just being sarcastic.
Ragnarok.Anye said:
Carbuncle.Sevourn said:
Ragnarok.Anye said:
If you're going to argue, at least argue well.
I appreciate the sentiment. If you've got an opinion that you want to share, and you want someone to spend time reading, please back it up with at least some cursory reasearch.
if you just want to scream OMGZ CHRISTIANS/ATHEISTS R SO DUM!!!111
make a flame core thread
i think it would be nice to have a specific heavily moderated debate forum where replies that didn't meet a certain standard of quality were deleted
but the hours of moderation that would require and the inevitable cries of OMGZ MY REPLY WAZ GUD WHY U DELETE IT LUZL OMGZ make that pretty much a pipe dream
Carbuncle.Sevourn said:
i think it would be nice to have a specific heavily moderated debate forum where replies that didn't meet a certain standard of quality were deleted
but the hours of moderation that would require and the inevitable cries of OMGZ MY REPLY WAZ GUD WHY U DELETE IT LUZL OMGZ make that pretty much a pipe dream
but the hours of moderation that would require and the inevitable cries of OMGZ MY REPLY WAZ GUD WHY U DELETE IT LUZL OMGZ make that pretty much a pipe dream
-edit- I was going to cite the thread, but *shudder* it was a thread made by Bulleta, so... if you remember her, then... yeah....
lol, i REALLY need to go ahead and get sidetracked by academia like now
i have 2 papers and a speech due at the end of the week and i haven't even started ;_;
i have 2 papers and a speech due at the end of the week and i haven't even started ;_;
Carbuncle.Sevourn said:
lol, i REALLY need to go ahead and get sidetracked by academia like now
i have 2 papers and a speech due at the end of the week and i haven't even started ;_;
i have 2 papers and a speech due at the end of the week and i haven't even started ;_;
yup, on spring break right now.
Magian trials completed: 4
School Asssignments completed: 0
Religion threads derailed: 1, hopefully.
Magian trials completed: 4
School Asssignments completed: 0
Religion threads derailed: 1, hopefully.
Carbuncle.Sevourn said:
yup, on spring break right now.
Magian trials completed: 4
School Asssignments completed: 0
Religion threads derailed: 1, hopefully.
Magian trials completed: 4
School Asssignments completed: 0
Religion threads derailed: 1, hopefully.
But yeah.... grats on the Magian trials and <rerail> SPEAKING OF WHICH DID YOU KNOW THERE WERE 3 MAGI IN THE BIBLE? Yeah.
Ragnarok.Anye said:
-edit- I was going to cite the thread, but *shudder* it was a thread made by Bulleta, so... if you remember her, then... yeah....
hahaha, all too well
all's well that ends well, though
I really wish they didn't nail Santa Clause on the cross, but it was cool seeing him rise on the 4th of July.
I'm glad we celebrate St. Patricks day too.
I'm glad we celebrate St. Patricks day too.
Asura.Halloween said:
wtf anye you did it again!
that wasn't the end of my post. you just cut off the part that you didn't like or want to hear.
that wasn't the end of my post. you just cut off the part that you didn't like or want to hear.
Asura.Halloween said:
The point i was making by -jokingly- agreeing with gylfie was that no matter what some of us said, we were just ignored. I cited perfect examples of how people around the world today are being affected by religious-based decisions.
you, anye, just shouted GIVE ME PROOF. well if you want proof look up the things i talked about. DOMA, UGANDA, Middle East religious strife.
you, anye, just shouted GIVE ME PROOF. well if you want proof look up the things i talked about. DOMA, UGANDA, Middle East religious strife.
To clarify what I said, I only wanted direct Biblical citations on what people were claiming to be Christian doctrine, not just "well I heard the Bible said..." and "doesn't the Bible say..."
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