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Religion: If you don't believe in it why does it bother you?
how about we all get over it and go play some ffxi lol =)
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Sylph.Oddin said:
Well that's kinda a double edged sword really. Yes we've gotten this far with religion but imagine where we'd be if we had no religion. We'd definitely be more advanced by now if our great minds of the past weren't held back due to the religious fanatics that thought free-thinkers were the devil's advocates.
Do you have proof to validate your statement, or are you just making a hypothesis? Because I will remind you that in order for a hypothesis to become a theory, it needs to be throughly tested.
Wasn't it science that created all the weapons we use in war today? And isn't religion the fuel behind all of the wars (a common bandwagon atheist argument)? So can you really say we'd be MORE technologically advanced if religion didn't fuel wars between nations, thus gave us the creation of all these awesome toys?
Theists use religion as a crutch. Atheists use science. At least the theists are in the right ballpark.
Cerberus.Katarzyna said:
Sylph.Oddin said:
Well that's kinda a double edged sword really. Yes we've gotten this far with religion but imagine where we'd be if we had no religion. We'd definitely be more advanced by now if our great minds of the past weren't held back due to the religious fanatics that thought free-thinkers were the devil's advocates.
Do you have proof to validate your statement, or are you just making a hypothesis? Because I will remind you that in order for a hypothesis to become a theory, it needs to be throughly tested.
Theists use religion as a crutch. Atheists use science. At least the theists are in the right ballpark.
It's a generally accepted belief. Religion has set us back knowledge wise. It's not that far-fetched if you think about it. I'm sure you've read about all the historic scientists, astrologers, astronomers and other free-thinking individuals who were persecuted for going against the church. Who knows where we'd be right now if there were no such boundaries to hold them back?
Cerberus.Katarzyna said:
Sylph.Oddin said:
Well that's kinda a double edged sword really. Yes we've gotten this far with religion but imagine where we'd be if we had no religion. We'd definitely be more advanced by now if our great minds of the past weren't held back due to the religious fanatics that thought free-thinkers were the devil's advocates.
Theists believe..Aethiests do not believe..Agnostics try to make sense of it all through science. The arguement cna go either way. I have met alot of Christians ect who do great deeds such as cloth,shelter and feed the sick or needy.Ive also met soem crackheads that think GOD will make them stop smokeing crack. I possibly being theist/agnostic try my best to aid and help others to the best of my ability. Unfortunately I ahve yet to meet atrue Aeithiest thats gave a damn about anything other than themselves (im talkign a true aetheist not all the people who are not sure what an aethiest is and more than likely are agnostic)
Cerberus.Katarzyna said:
All you self-proclaimed "atheists," let me ask you a question: Do you find yourself boosting your self esteem by substituting religion for science?
Cerberus.Katarzyna said:
The simple deifinition of "atheism" is "the belief that there is no god or supreme being."
Cerberus.Katarzyna said:
Nowhere does it say "the belief that science is absolute, and therefore, trumps religion." It simply means you believe in no god, no divine being, no spiritual power, no religion and THAT'S IT. Science plays absolutely no role in the definition of "atheist." You just dilute it to fit your argument. Congratulations! You're as bad as the religious zealots diluting their holy scriptures to suit their own personal agendas.
Aside from the lack of a point in there and the name-calling, I'll concede that yes, being an atheist doesn't mean you're scientific. Some people were raised in a nonreligious way and just never took to it. Some people don't think about it (whether you would call them agnostics or atheists is splitting hairs, I don't really care for the purpose of this discussion).
For a lot of us, we take stock in science because, well, science is based on evidence and facts. It's grounded in reality and rational thought. Not sure what you mean by our "personal agendas," science isn't personal. If they proved scientifically that god really exists, I'd stop being an atheist. I believe what I do because I'm convinced by what I know, not because I gain from it, and I know quite a few religious people who would take offense to the insinuation that they were only in it for themselves too.
Cerberus.Katarzyna said:
Some of the greatest discoveries in history came from people or civilizations who were theists. So your argument of "You can't be religious and believe in science lulz" is wrong, considering the thousands of years history has proven you wrong.
Words of wisdom from a non so smart tarutaru with very poor typeing skills. "Its not the religions or the people that generally follow them, but the leaders who twist them to their needs." For the most part I think that the teachings are a good foundation for liveing your life, but often individuals in the upper echeleons of the church alter the original and true meanings and use them to unjustly persecute others as mentioned above by Oddin of Sylph. Much like politicians or the mafia many are only concerned with their own wellbeing.
Bismarck.Bigheadkitty said:
Words of wisdom from a non so smart tarutaru with very poor typeing skills.
Good Job!
Lmao I even typed non instead of not*
From now on instead of the leet tarutaru blm,rng,sam crafting machine I shall be deemed the very confused, poor typing guy that isnt sure if I cmae form GOD, an alein, a ball of dense matter that blew the *** up or a lode of*** and an egg. and i always type YUOR and typeing, must be partially dysssssssssslexicccccccccccc
Bismarck.Bigheadkitty said:
Theists believe..Aethiests do not believe..Agnostics try to make sense of it all through science.
Bismarck.Bigheadkitty said:
The arguement cna go either way. I have met alot of Christians ect who do great deeds such as cloth,shelter and feed the sick or needy.Ive also met soem crackheads that think GOD will make them stop smokeing crack. I possibly being theist/agnostic try my best to aid and help others to the best of my ability. Unfortunately I ahve yet to meet atrue Aeithiest thats gave a damn about anything other than themselves
Bismarck.Bigheadkitty said:
im talkign a true aetheist not all the people who are not sure what an aethiest is and more than likely are agnostic
Is there any evidence disproving the concept behind religion?
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Cerberus.Katarzyna said:
Is there any evidence disproving the concept of religion?
huh...
Cerberus.Katarzyna said:
Is there any evidence disproving the concept of religion?
Which concept? Which religion?
Maruraba said:
Bismarck.Bigheadkitty said:
Theists believe..Aethiests do not believe..Agnostics try to make sense of it all through science.
Bismarck.Bigheadkitty said:
The arguement cna go either way. I have met alot of Christians ect who do great deeds such as cloth,shelter and feed the sick or needy.Ive also met soem crackheads that think GOD will make them stop smokeing crack. I possibly being theist/agnostic try my best to aid and help others to the best of my ability. Unfortunately I ahve yet to meet atrue Aeithiest thats gave a damn about anything other than themselves
Bismarck.Bigheadkitty said:
im talkign a true aetheist not all the people who are not sure what an aethiest is and more than likely are agnostic
Main Entry: 1ag·nos·tic
Pronunciation: \ag-ˈnäs-tik, əg-\
Function: noun
Etymology: Greek agnōstos unknown, unknowable, from a- + gnōstos known, from gignōskein to know — more at know
Date: 1869
1 : a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god.
a·the·ist (th-st)
n.
One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods.
Atheist by defintion believes in no god, an Agnostic is not sure because its neither proved or disporved.
And I am glad that you do good deeds especially without the need for gratification (and no im not being sarcastic it is refreshing to see someone do good ddeds just because they are the right thing to do)
I guess you are saying that ther is no GOD because science doesnt prove it, guess that would be aetheist/agnostic. Or are yuo just not sure makeing you agnostic?
Sylph.Oddin said:
Cerberus.Katarzyna said:
Is there any evidence disproving the concept of religion?
All of them.
going from topic.
no matter what Religion u r no one wants u to come up to them and talk about it, if u feel the need then let the people come to u or your church, dont come to our houes or inturpt up while were eatting/working.
no matter what Religion u r no one wants u to come up to them and talk about it, if u feel the need then let the people come to u or your church, dont come to our houes or inturpt up while were eatting/working.
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Cerberus.Katarzyna said:
Theists use religion as a crutch. Atheists use science. At least the theists are in the right ballpark.
Maruraba said:
Nothing limits overpopulation in nature other than a population overextending its resources. If a species runs out of food, mass amounts of them die or they migrate to find more food. Humans can recognize that they may one day overpopulate the planet, and thus might choose to limit their breeding. Or not. I'm looking at YOU, Octomom. :)
Asura.Halloween said:
what's your point? It seems if we can't disprove any religions, then why aren't more people bowing before volcanoes and the Sun? Christians have "disproved" other heathen religions and converted people just because they thought their views were silly and against their own beliefs. And who knows? maybe in a few hundred years Scientology will be the dominating religion, converting all the world's believers into pretend aliens.
My point is you use science and evidence as your end-all-be-all argument against religion, and yet, you can't even prove the non-existence of a diety.
Okay let's see:
Well the idea that an old man could single-handedly build a boat big enough to house 2 of every animal in the world seems pretty impossible.
Haven't seen any staves turning to snakes in awhile.
Haven't heard of any Jews raising from the dead on the TV 3 days after dying.
No water turning to blood.
No humans slaying giants.
No talking burning bushes around my house.
That seems like a good start and that's just from Christianity. Should I continue?
Well the idea that an old man could single-handedly build a boat big enough to house 2 of every animal in the world seems pretty impossible.
Haven't seen any staves turning to snakes in awhile.
Haven't heard of any Jews raising from the dead on the TV 3 days after dying.
No water turning to blood.
No humans slaying giants.
No talking burning bushes around my house.
That seems like a good start and that's just from Christianity. Should I continue?
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Asura.Halloween said:
Cerberus.Katarzyna said:
Sylph.Oddin said:
Cerberus.Katarzyna said:
Is there any evidence disproving the concept of religion?
Haha more than likely the aliens are gonna come back after reading this thread and do rectal exams on us all.
Cerberus.Katarzyna said:
My point is you use science and evidence as your end-all-be-all argument against religion, and yet, you can't even prove the non-existence of a diety.
The classic "if you can't disprove it, then it must be true" theory. You clearly don't understand the scientific model. You don't prove that things don't exist. You don't prove that things haven't happened. You provide evidence that they do exist and have happened. If something doesn't exist, than obviously there is no evidence to support its existence...or non-existence. It doesn't make any sense.
Asura.Halloween said:
after reading this thread? they'll probably just end us.
I know I would.
Georgalien: WTF is this big bang ***they talk of?
Tomalien: Hmm I think its that movie that the wife and I rented the other night from the mature alien section.
Georgealien : Oh the one with yuor mom in it?
Tomalien: No this one ahd like 100 humans in it all sweaty and oiled up.
Georgealien: Oh thats right your mom was in the one with the 200 humans and no oil.
Tomalien: Get it right next time, my mom doesnt need any oil.
Sorry for the long quote train, everyone. Uh, no. Agnostic means professing no knowledge about god or gods. If you don't have a definite belief in God, if you just say "I don't know," then you are, by definition, an atheist. An agnostic atheist, which is how I would describe myself as well. It does not automatically make you scientific, it just means you have a healthy sense of doubt. It is not true that atheists are just the opposite of theists, putting their faith in nothing, or that they just "choose" not to believe out of convenience. Sorry you haven't met more charitable atheists (though perhaps its because truly good people don't feel the need to brag about their good deeds). I think I'm a good person, I try to be charitable, helpful, do work that is meaningful for others, but fine, if you want proof that atheism isn't a sign of selfish character, then take a look here. See above. :)
Main Entry: 1ag·nos·tic
Pronunciation: \ag-ˈnäs-tik, əg-\
Function: noun
Etymology: Greek agnōstos unknown, unknowable, from a- gnōstos known, from gignōskein to know — more at know
Date: 1869
1 : a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god.
a·the·ist (th-st)
n.
One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods.
Atheist by defintion believes in no god, an Agnostic is not sure because its neither proved or disporved.
And I am glad that you do good deeds especially without the need for gratification (and no im not being sarcastic it is refreshing to see someone do good ddeds just because they are the right thing to do)
I guess you are saying that ther is no GOD because science doesnt prove it, guess that would be aetheist/agnostic. Or are yuo just not sure makeing you agnostic?It's a matter of terminology, but what I'm saying is that you can be an agnostic AND an atheist. Most "agnostics" say "I don't know if god exists," which is a lack of belief, which is disbelief, hence, atheism. Quite a few atheists, myself included are agnostic atheists. Atheism covers the spectrum from "not sure" to "not at all convinced" to "I'm sure there is no god" (the latter being a gnostic theist). There is no "true" atheist, the term covers quite a few shades of nonbelief.
For the record, if you believe in god, but believe he is unknowable, then you're an agnostic THEIST. Since you're mostly focusing on the "I don't know" thing, I'll assume that this doesn't apply to you. In other words, Bigheadkitty, you're technically an atheist. And since you believe in leading a good life too, apparently, you're your own example of a nonselfish atheist.
Congratulations!
Bismarck.Bigheadkitty said:
Maruraba said:
Bismarck.Bigheadkitty said:
Theists believe..Aethiests do not believe..Agnostics try to make sense of it all through science.
Bismarck.Bigheadkitty said:
The arguement cna go either way. I have met alot of Christians ect who do great deeds such as cloth,shelter and feed the sick or needy.Ive also met soem crackheads that think GOD will make them stop smokeing crack. I possibly being theist/agnostic try my best to aid and help others to the best of my ability. Unfortunately I ahve yet to meet atrue Aeithiest thats gave a damn about anything other than themselves
Bismarck.Bigheadkitty said:
im talkign a true aetheist not all the people who are not sure what an aethiest is and more than likely are agnostic
Main Entry: 1ag·nos·tic
Pronunciation: \ag-ˈnäs-tik, əg-\
Function: noun
Etymology: Greek agnōstos unknown, unknowable, from a- gnōstos known, from gignōskein to know — more at know
Date: 1869
1 : a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god.
a·the·ist (th-st)
n.
One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods.
Atheist by defintion believes in no god, an Agnostic is not sure because its neither proved or disporved.
And I am glad that you do good deeds especially without the need for gratification (and no im not being sarcastic it is refreshing to see someone do good ddeds just because they are the right thing to do)
I guess you are saying that ther is no GOD because science doesnt prove it, guess that would be aetheist/agnostic. Or are yuo just not sure makeing you agnostic?
For the record, if you believe in god, but believe he is unknowable, then you're an agnostic THEIST. Since you're mostly focusing on the "I don't know" thing, I'll assume that this doesn't apply to you. In other words, Bigheadkitty, you're technically an atheist. And since you believe in leading a good life too, apparently, you're your own example of a nonselfish atheist.
Congratulations!
Asura.Halloween said:
i don't know if you're just playing devil's advocate or not, but if you're srsly using this same argument that everyone hides behind, then just gtfo now. Religious beliefs are not proven true just because they can not be disproved. Religion can't even be considered scientifically or factually because it offers nothing tangible to test. Unless you count the virgin Mary water stain on my kitchen ceiling.
I am playing devil's advocate, and I'll stay right here thanks. The whole "Dieties don't exist but I can't offer any proof of that!" argument never gets old.
Of course you can't disprove religion, but that doesn't stop you from frothing at the mouth about science, now does
it? In fact, for some people, the core reason behind being an atheist is because it can't be proven with science! Now how about that for some irony?
If this topic were created by a theist preaching about how their diety was supreme, I'd be asking them the same question: What proof do you have? And they would give me the same answer you did: Nothing.
See, atheists and theists can be a lot alike. They both believe in something they ultimately cannot prove. Isn't the basis behind science proving or disproving something? In fact, if we look at the definition of "science," it says:
"a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws"
Can you prove that a diety doesn't exist? Do you have facts and truths to back it up? Nope. Can I prove a diety does exist? Do I have facts and truths to back it up? Nope. See the comparison?
Sylph.Oddin said:
Okay let's see: Well the idea that an old man could single-handedly build a boat big enough to house 2 of every animal in the world seems pretty impossible. Haven't seen any staves turning to snakes in awhile. Haven't heard of any Jews raising from the dead on the TV 3 days after dying. No water turning to blood. No humans slaying giants. No talking burning bushes around my house. That seems like a good start and that's just from Christianity. Should I continue?
Boat stroy based on another tale about a merchant who happened to be on his barge with his family and soem animals during a flood of the region.
Man David copperfeild cna do the snake ***.
There are many Jews on TV that look like they rose form the dead 3 days ago.
Water/blood hell if I ever saw that before.
No redheaded hottie walking around the house with a firey red bush?
Cerberus.Katarzyna said:
See, atheists and theists can be a lot alike. They both believe in something they ultimately cannot prove. Isn't the basis behind science proving or disproving something? In fact, if we look at the definition of "science," it says:
"a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws"
Can you prove that a diety doesn't exist? Do you have facts and truths to back it up? Nope. Can I prove a diety does exist? Do I have facts and truths to back it up? Nope. See the comparison?
"a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws"
Can you prove that a diety doesn't exist? Do you have facts and truths to back it up? Nope. Can I prove a diety does exist? Do I have facts and truths to back it up? Nope. See the comparison?
I lack the belief in god and also in purple goblins named Mikey. I'm going to assume that you also lack the belief in purple goblins named Mikey, probably because there is no evidence to support Mikey's existence. That's the general crux of a nonbeliever's argument.
Science does not have to prove that Mikey exists, but if there was evidence that there really WAS a purple goblin named Mikey, science could prove that he did. The lack of facts and truths about Mikey is not a weakness of the scientific method any more than the lack of evidence of god is. You don't need faith to NOT believe in something that has NOTHING proving it to be anything other than imaginary!
Seriously, this isn't hard logic to follow, folks, they aren't remotely equivalent. Science is not based on faith.
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