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Religion: If you don't believe in it why does it bother you?
Religion: If you don't believe in it why does it bother you?
LMAO seems like GOD gave some of you uncontrollable tempers;)
Every religious person in the world might not be hunting people down, but a fair number of them are. Like I said earlier, perhaps it's just that I live in a high population of Mormon people. Maybe in places where the general population isn't quite as religious, religious people don't hunt you down. But you might be surprised at the number of people around here who will come knock on your door to tell you all about it, then refuse to leave (someone I knew was expecting her sister to stop by, so when she heard the door while she was in the shower she grabbed a towel and ran to answer, thinking it was her sister. Nope, it was a Mormon. And even though the girl was obviously NOT in a convenient time or position, was soaking wet with shampoo in her hair and a bath towel on, the Mormon WOULD. NOT. LEAVE.) People around here walk around the college Commons (food court/cafeteria) and sit down with people who are busy eating, whether they are in a hurry or trying to do homework or whatnot, without being invited, and try to convert them. I'm not joking. People have tried to corner me in the bathroom to tell me all about their God, for goodness sake.
Like I said, maybe it's different in other places. Maybe it's the population, maybe I don't look mean enough (no one EVER tries to bother my husband with it, they know just by looking that he won't tolerate it.)
I should say, my best friend is a Christian and attends church regularly and I think she's awesome. It's not that I dislike Christians, not at all. It's just that I dislike Christians trying to convert me, I've heard the sales pitch ten million times and I'm simply not interested.
Like I said, maybe it's different in other places. Maybe it's the population, maybe I don't look mean enough (no one EVER tries to bother my husband with it, they know just by looking that he won't tolerate it.)
I should say, my best friend is a Christian and attends church regularly and I think she's awesome. It's not that I dislike Christians, not at all. It's just that I dislike Christians trying to convert me, I've heard the sales pitch ten million times and I'm simply not interested.
Odin.Liela said:
Every religious person in the world might not be hunting people down, but a fair number of them are. Like I said earlier, perhaps it's just that I live in a high population of Mormon people. Maybe in places where the general population isn't quite as religious, religious people don't hunt you down. But you might be surprised at the number of people around here who will come knock on your door to tell you all about it, then refuse to leave (someone I knew was expecting her sister to stop by, so when she heard the door while she was in the shower she grabbed a towel and ran to answer, thinking it was her sister. Nope, it was a Mormon. And even though the girl was obviously NOT in a convenient time or position, was soaking wet with shampoo in her hair and a bath towel on, the Mormon WOULD. NOT. LEAVE.) People around here walk around the college Commons (food court/cafeteria) and sit down with people who are busy eating, whether they are in a hurry or trying to do homework or whatnot, without being invited, and try to convert them. I'm not joking. People have tried to corner me in the bathroom to tell me all about their God, for goodness sake.
Like I said, maybe it's different in other places. Maybe it's the population, maybe I don't look mean enough (no one EVER tries to bother my husband with it, they know just by looking that he won't tolerate it.)
I should say, my best friend is a Christian and attends church regularly and I think she's awesome. It's not that I dislike Christians, not at all. It's just that I dislike Christians trying to convert me, I've heard the sales pitch ten million times and I'm simply not interested.
Like I said, maybe it's different in other places. Maybe it's the population, maybe I don't look mean enough (no one EVER tries to bother my husband with it, they know just by looking that he won't tolerate it.)
I should say, my best friend is a Christian and attends church regularly and I think she's awesome. It's not that I dislike Christians, not at all. It's just that I dislike Christians trying to convert me, I've heard the sales pitch ten million times and I'm simply not interested.
QFT. This is exactly it. People generally don't have a problem with religion. It's the followers. Just keep your religion to yourself and everything is fine. I have no problem with people who want to pray in public or whatever but please don't come up and talk to me and start quoting the Bible, Qo'ran or whatever.
Sigh...and, here we go with the, "atheists shove their beliefs in my face" garbage. >,<
There are extremists on both sides, PERIOD. No one in their right mind is going to deny that there are NO religious extremists, and there are NO militant atheists.
But let's examine the facts, shall we?
How many atheist channels are there, and how many religious channels?
How many politicians wear their religion on their sleeve and talk about how much they love Jesus, compared to how many politicians tout their non-belief?
How many bumper stickers praising God does one see, compared to how many bumper stickers pushing a belief in no gods at all?
How many churches per capita are there, compared to how many centers devoted to atheism?
How many billboards are there with religious phrases like, "Come on up, and bring the kids - God" compared to how many billboards advocating atheism?
How many religious people wear huge crosses around their necks, compared to how many atheists wear atom symbols around their necks?
How many times do you see someone at a sports event holding up a sign that reads, "John 3:16" compared to how many people you've seen at the same events holding up a sign saying, "Atheists are #1!"?
How many people stand on the side of the road holding up giant wooden atom symbols, and how many stand on the side of the road holding giant wooden crosses?
How many of you have had atheists knocking on your front door at 9 in the morning to discuss the wonders of a lack of belief, compared to how many have had religious people knocking on your day to discuss the wonders of believing?
Atheists shoving their beliefs down the public's throat...uh-huh... /eyeroll
There are extremists on both sides, PERIOD. No one in their right mind is going to deny that there are NO religious extremists, and there are NO militant atheists.
But let's examine the facts, shall we?
How many atheist channels are there, and how many religious channels?
How many politicians wear their religion on their sleeve and talk about how much they love Jesus, compared to how many politicians tout their non-belief?
How many bumper stickers praising God does one see, compared to how many bumper stickers pushing a belief in no gods at all?
How many churches per capita are there, compared to how many centers devoted to atheism?
How many billboards are there with religious phrases like, "Come on up, and bring the kids - God" compared to how many billboards advocating atheism?
How many religious people wear huge crosses around their necks, compared to how many atheists wear atom symbols around their necks?
How many times do you see someone at a sports event holding up a sign that reads, "John 3:16" compared to how many people you've seen at the same events holding up a sign saying, "Atheists are #1!"?
How many people stand on the side of the road holding up giant wooden atom symbols, and how many stand on the side of the road holding giant wooden crosses?
How many of you have had atheists knocking on your front door at 9 in the morning to discuss the wonders of a lack of belief, compared to how many have had religious people knocking on your day to discuss the wonders of believing?
Atheists shoving their beliefs down the public's throat...uh-huh... /eyeroll
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posting only reading question posted in name. idc about your flames, and not going to read your previous posts, or your reply.
it bothers me for this reason. on a day to day basis i find myself unable to talk to rational people openly about the smallest of things. it is because they have been fed lies of fairy tails as children and told them it was truth. its since warped their ideology, view of what life means, and what people themselves really are.
when you twist the minds of generations and manipulate them to your will, it's foul.
i only feel sorry for the sheep as they are lead to the slaughter. they know not that they are tools of a totalitarian. if only we could let them know somehow ~~
it bothers me for this reason. on a day to day basis i find myself unable to talk to rational people openly about the smallest of things. it is because they have been fed lies of fairy tails as children and told them it was truth. its since warped their ideology, view of what life means, and what people themselves really are.
when you twist the minds of generations and manipulate them to your will, it's foul.
i only feel sorry for the sheep as they are lead to the slaughter. they know not that they are tools of a totalitarian. if only we could let them know somehow ~~
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I wonder how many times the following words/phrases appear in this thread:
Ignorant
Judgmental
Close-minded
Sheeple
Homophobic
Religion is a crutch/safety blanket
Shoving their beliefs down my throat
Let people believe what they want to believe
Religion is the sole cause of war/evil/asshats/evil asshats
Zombie/Raptor/*** Jesus
There is no irrefuteable proof for either intelligent design (Cant define it) or evolution (no missing link). There remains the possiblity of intelligent design and evolution combined. Just because you cant see somethign doesn't mean its not there.
And why does everyone always bring up the homosexuality stuff. If yuo beleive in GOD its wrong, if you beleive in evolution its an unsustainable species. So either way you are F U C T. JK I know alot of nice gay people.
And why does everyone always bring up the homosexuality stuff. If yuo beleive in GOD its wrong, if you beleive in evolution its an unsustainable species. So either way you are F U C T. JK I know alot of nice gay people.
Ragnarok.Anye said:
I wonder how many times the following words/phrases appear in this thread:
Ignorant
Judgmental
Close-minded
Sheeple
Homophobic
Religion is a crutch/safety blanket
Shoving their beliefs down my throat
Let people believe what they want to believe
Religion is the sole cause of war/evil/asshats/evil asshats
Zombie/Raptor/*** Jesus
So True...
I think I even said a few of those things :3
I think zombie and asshat are the winners
Bismarck.Bigheadkitty said:
There is no irrefuteable proof for either intelligent design (Cant define it) or evolution (no missing link). There remains the possiblity of intelligent design and evolution combined. Just because you cant see somethign doesn't mean its not there.
And why does everyone always bring up the homosexuality stuff. If yuo beleive in GOD its wrong, if you beleive in evolution its an unsustainable species. So either way you are F U C T. JK I know alot of nice gay people.
And why does everyone always bring up the homosexuality stuff. If yuo beleive in GOD its wrong, if you beleive in evolution its an unsustainable species. So either way you are F U C T. JK I know alot of nice gay people.
lol "missing link"
do people still use this argument?
Bismarck.Bigheadkitty said:
There is no irrefuteable proof for either intelligent design (Cant define it) or evolution (no missing link). There remains the possiblity of intelligent design and evolution combined. Just because you cant see somethign doesn't mean its not there.
Also, evolution is very strongly supported by a huge multitude of studies. Yes, it is "just a theory", but only in that the details are not yet fully understood. The principle of evolution is observable in many species with a short generation time.
Leviathan.Narrubia said:
Bismarck.Bigheadkitty said:
There is no irrefuteable proof for either intelligent design (Cant define it) or evolution (no missing link). There remains the possiblity of intelligent design and evolution combined. Just because you cant see somethign doesn't mean its not there.
(G)enetic (O)rganism (D)evelopment. Experiment by scientists from a far away planet to create servants in their own image.
A for Adam as the first, Eve quite literally cloned from a peice of Adam's rib so that there would be another like organism to contribute its half of the DNA code and thus make continuation of the project viable.
Combination of computer programming based on a code (DNA), nano technology, advanced wireing (Nerves), plumbing and sewage removal, pnuematics and many other systems we see in machinery.
The odds of DNA randomly mutateing to its beautiful and utterly coplex form from a very simple set of instructions is like writing script to add 1+1 and it becomeing this game we all love or hate to play.
Just some stuff to think about, maybe GOD is real but has just been misunderstood and used by the powerful among the religions of the world to do sometimes good but also to do evil. Its up to each individual to seek truth through religion, science or whatever means they feel worthy.
Who Made God? Where did all the material to cause the big bang come from? Noone can answer either of these questions so maybe its best to not codemn either side and take the best aspects of each to truely make this world a better place for all.
As you can see I just like to throw out random stuff to provoke thought. feel free to flame as I wont be offended because I am not convinced 100% of either. This was froma previous post. Im not saying im religious in the sense of what you would call normal.
The thing about this thread is we're getting off track a bit. We need to stop attacking the religions themselves and move on to the problem of the religious vs. the heretics.
Now I know the problem here is that there are some heretics that not only will say they don't believe in your religion but feel the need to tell you why. We don't need to know why you don't agree. Leave their beliefs alone unless it actually impedes on your day to day lives. The whole teaching religious history is fine in the historic sense. Get over it. There are real people and real events behind these religions and they have had an impact on our history. On the opposite side of the spectrum, some heretics are okay with what the religious believe and tolerate it. They don't care what you believe as long as it's nothing too radical.
Likewise with the religious. Some are over the top about their beliefs and will stop at nothing to make sure everyone knows their god. Some go as far as trying to strike the fear of god into others. It's not needed. They should be happy knowing that their souls are going to some sort of paradise while those who didn't believe are going to be damned. Some do want to, out of the kindness of their heart, try and save the damned. Don't. If the damned want to be saved, they have to do it themselves.
Now I know the problem here is that there are some heretics that not only will say they don't believe in your religion but feel the need to tell you why. We don't need to know why you don't agree. Leave their beliefs alone unless it actually impedes on your day to day lives. The whole teaching religious history is fine in the historic sense. Get over it. There are real people and real events behind these religions and they have had an impact on our history. On the opposite side of the spectrum, some heretics are okay with what the religious believe and tolerate it. They don't care what you believe as long as it's nothing too radical.
Likewise with the religious. Some are over the top about their beliefs and will stop at nothing to make sure everyone knows their god. Some go as far as trying to strike the fear of god into others. It's not needed. They should be happy knowing that their souls are going to some sort of paradise while those who didn't believe are going to be damned. Some do want to, out of the kindness of their heart, try and save the damned. Don't. If the damned want to be saved, they have to do it themselves.
Live and let live. Words to travel threw life by!!
Odds are god isnt what everyone thinks and most of our scientific models only hold true in our small portion of the cosmos. We are all F U C TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT. If any of su are alive in 100 years we will probably be on these forums laughing our *** off at all that will be learned in that time.
Could be an overpopulation fighter. Strange that we would develop a flaw to actually increase the chances of the demise of our species. Kind of goes against the perpetuation of it through evolution. Im not pokeing fun just is an intrigueing possibility that we have come to a point wher we realize on the basic level that there are probably too many of us here.
Bismarck.Bigheadkitty said:
Could be an overpopulation fighter. Strange that we would develop a flaw to actually increase the chances of the demise of our species. Kind of goes against the perpetuation of it through evolution. Im not pokeing fun just is an intrigueing possibility that we have come to a point wher we realize on the basic level that there are probably too many of us here.
There are examples of the opposite. Species changing sexes due to underpopulation of one sex or the other. Why not the possibility of the opposite?
Personally I am a Baptist and i believe what i choose to believe, if atheists or people from other religions want to preach their beliefs let them, ultimately people WILL believe in what they want to and that is their choice. I am not ever offended when people trash religion or try preach their own to my face, i just ignore it. If you have faith in what you believe in then you should be strong enough to ignore anything else, if you can't then i guess you're a weak minded, weak willed fool.
Man I think we got way off topic now. Does nature step in to slow it down or does a guy in the sky (Alien Race?) that transmits via a type of signal that we just have yet to discover, send a message to the code in our DNA to turn on a preprogrammed gene so that we dont overpopulate? Man mini runon sentence there.
Valefor.Ryukuro said:
If you have faith in what you believe in then you should be strong enough to ignore anything else.
Like facts.
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Lmao wouldnt that ***suck. He's up there going man women hate me so im going to make everyone down there hate women too. I dont want to think what will happen if he gets diabetes or clogged arteries. Cause man I love soda and bacon. And lol was just a hypothetical question. I have no *** clue where we cmae from nor will I probably ever know. Maybe I dont want to know might be some really messed up ***.
All you self-proclaimed "atheists," let me ask you a question: Do you find yourself boosting your self esteem by substituting religion for science?
The simple deifinition of "atheism" is "the belief that there is no god or supreme being." Nowhere does it say "the belief that science is absolute, and therefore, trumps religion." It simply means you believe in no god, no divine being, no spiritual power, no religion and THAT'S IT. Science plays absolutely no role in the definition of "atheist." You just dilute it to fit your argument. Congratulations! You're as bad as the religious zealots diluting their holy scriptures to suit their own personal agendas.
Some of the greatest discoveries in history came from people or civilizations who were theists. So your argument of "You can't be religious and believe in science lulz" is wrong, considering the thousands of years history has proven you wrong.
The simple deifinition of "atheism" is "the belief that there is no god or supreme being." Nowhere does it say "the belief that science is absolute, and therefore, trumps religion." It simply means you believe in no god, no divine being, no spiritual power, no religion and THAT'S IT. Science plays absolutely no role in the definition of "atheist." You just dilute it to fit your argument. Congratulations! You're as bad as the religious zealots diluting their holy scriptures to suit their own personal agendas.
Some of the greatest discoveries in history came from people or civilizations who were theists. So your argument of "You can't be religious and believe in science lulz" is wrong, considering the thousands of years history has proven you wrong.
Bismarck.Bigheadkitty said:
Man I think we got way off topic now. Does nature step in to slow it down or does a guy in the sky (Alien Race?) that transmits via a type of signal that we just have yet to discover, send a message to the code in our DNA to turn on a preprogrammed gene so that we dont overpopulate? Man mini runon sentence there.
Nothing limits overpopulation in nature other than a population overextending its resources. If a species runs out of food, mass amounts of them die or they migrate to find more food. Humans can recognize that they may one day overpopulate the planet, and thus might choose to limit their breeding. Or not. I'm looking at YOU, Octomom. :)
Homosexuality doesn't need justification, it just is. There is no "plan" in evolution, things either get passed on or they don't and little variations, including sexual preference, occur naturally. Homosexuality is in quite a few species and true, it serves no purpose for breeding/genetics, but so what, neither do a lot of traits people have like:
-prefering blondes over brunettes (why limit potential partners?)
-enjoying dangerous sports (why risk your life and possibly die before you can pass on your genes?)
-liking the taste of garlic, despite it making your breath drive off potential mates
There is reason to believe that homophobia is a result of our genetic predisposition for comformity and social norms, but a rational mind can see that two consenting adults should be allowed to go about their business because they aren't harming anyone. We are rational beings and can overcome our darker impulses. Plenty of people are both rational and religious, in my opinion, but those who would use religion as an excuse to descriminate against others are not among them.
Cerberus.Katarzyna said:
All you self-proclaimed "atheists," let me ask you a question: Do you find yourself boosting your self esteem by substituting religion for science? The simple deifinition of "atheism" is "the belief that there is no god or supreme being." Nowhere does it say "the belief that science is absolute, and therefore, trumps religion." It simply means you believe in no god, no divine being, no spiritual power, no religion and THAT'S IT. Science plays absolutely no role in the definition of "atheist." You just dilute it to fit your argument. Congratulations! You're as bad as the religious zealots diluting their holy scriptures to suit their own personal agendas. Some of the greatest discoveries in history came from people or civilizations who were theists. So your argument of "You can't be religious and believe in science lulz" is wrong, considering the thousands of years history has proven you wrong.
Your right, Agnosticism better describes those that use the science arguments.
Maruraba said:
Bismarck.Bigheadkitty said:
Man I think we got way off topic now. Does nature step in to slow it down or does a guy in the sky (Alien Race?) that transmits via a type of signal that we just have yet to discover, send a message to the code in our DNA to turn on a preprogrammed gene so that we dont overpopulate? Man mini runon sentence there.
I think it turned into more of a joke. I dont beleive either of us were really trying to offend or put down homosexuals.
Cerberus.Katarzyna said:
All you self-proclaimed "atheists," let me ask you a question: Do you find yourself boosting your self esteem by substituting religion for science?
The simple deifinition of "atheism" is "the belief that there is no god or supreme being." Nowhere does it say "the belief that science is absolute, and therefore, trumps religion." It simply means you believe in no god, no divine being, no spiritual power, no religion and THAT'S IT. Science plays absolutely no role in the definition of "atheist." You just dilute it to fit your argument. Congratulations! You're as bad as the religious zealots diluting their holy scriptures to suit their own personal agendas.
Some of the greatest discoveries in history came from people or civilizations who were theists. So your argument of "You can't be religious and believe in science lulz" is wrong, considering the thousands of years history has proven you wrong.
The simple deifinition of "atheism" is "the belief that there is no god or supreme being." Nowhere does it say "the belief that science is absolute, and therefore, trumps religion." It simply means you believe in no god, no divine being, no spiritual power, no religion and THAT'S IT. Science plays absolutely no role in the definition of "atheist." You just dilute it to fit your argument. Congratulations! You're as bad as the religious zealots diluting their holy scriptures to suit their own personal agendas.
Some of the greatest discoveries in history came from people or civilizations who were theists. So your argument of "You can't be religious and believe in science lulz" is wrong, considering the thousands of years history has proven you wrong.
Well that's kinda a double edged sword really. Yes we've gotten this far with religion but imagine where we'd be if we had no religion. We'd definitely be more advanced by now if our great minds of the past weren't held back due to the religious fanatics that thought free-thinkers were the devil's advocates.
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