Spharai Vs Glanzfaust

I don't know. I think ignoring it would be less logical. I haven't read the whole thread and don't intend to but as I understand it, we're speaking of mages, and particularly WHM, in melee, yes?

The only situation where a WHM should outright NOT melee, is a situation where you have no one meleeing at all in the first place. And it's almost always a better idea to have a WHM meleeing than not. And even if AoE was an issue, a WHM/NIN will be safer from AoE than any other DD.

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Yeah and your reading skills astound me. Never said it had no use just said it had few that were actually better and mattered.

I mean really keeping Vidohunir on a mob could be pretty pimp too. I'd never advocate it on anything hard and on easy stuff it wouldn't matter

Except that I listed a whole bunch of situations where it can be better and you discarded it out of hand by implying all WHMs suck and everything has nasty AoEs that WHM is defenseless against. You also said, and I quote, "can and should are two different stories," implying it's completely non-viable. Again, it isn't. Vidohunir is sort of viable if you want to dedicate a single BLM to using it, but that depends on your ability to compensate for the loss in their DPS via meleeing rather than using an appropriate elemental staff. In all likelihood they'd be better off nuking normally or on a melee job... would be interesting to play with a mage-heavy setup with one or two Laevateinn BLMs, but mage-heavy strategies are so much less common now anyway.

Spharai > Glanzfaust end of story. Triple damage on Spharai makes Glanzfaust gobble nuts.

I'd go as far to say you're better off using Destroyers than Glanzfaust, even if you got them for free.

thx very much for the info everyone.

got 1 last question:

What would you prefer? apocalypse or spharai?

Drk has been my main job since the beginning till i hit 75 with my mnk. dealing awesome dmg AND survive is way more then dealing only great dmg.

But still apocalypse is said to be one of the best relics.

Using mnk for solo and drk for endgame and such things.

so what would you say?

If DRK is your main, get Apoc. Both enhance the survivability of their jobs anyway, but relics should be about adding that ultimate touch to your favorite job.

I'd take Apocalypse everytime. Compared to Destroyers, Spharai aren't really that much better, and yet Apocalypse is an absolute monster compared to any other scythe.

Sorry but I wouldn't attribute that to the loltriple damage. 5%ish proc rate on only 1 (2nd fist can't triple proc) for roughly a 2.5% chance for it to proc, not including attacks from kicks either, so even less.

Yeah I'd take apoc if I was a Drk over spharai.

lulz i was waiting for someone to fix my comment i knew it was coming.

Hmm.. Well I chose Glanz.. Too bad I didn't see this before I chose it..

Oh well. Bring on FFXIV!!

sux for you if you win

Id pick Glanz, theyre way better... /awaits vegettos response.

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Nah I'd still be ecstatic. As people seem to have said here the Sphiraiwhatever arnt that much better then Destroyers.. So I could have my destroyers and glanz.. next to my retaliators and indra katars (XD). Still need to get those faith whatevers. And shenlongs would be nice.

if you're collecting HTHs just to have all that can be afforded MNK... then get yourself some Vampiric Claws(slashing) and Bird Banes (piercing).

/gag @ indra katars... toss that ***.

Most relics automatically win thanks to the damage multiplyers they contain both in regular hits and WS alike.

Don't feel too bad. Unlike SAM and many other DD jobs, MNK shines in the DoT department from frequent and hard hitting regular attacks; which seems what Glanzfaust focuses on with its increased crit rating on focus and double atk via aftermath.

Sadly it simply can't compare to the concrete bonuses relics give in the long run.

Triple damage procs are the least of relic's benefits.

A) Low proc rate
B) Does not apply to WS.

While they're nice to have, they're not what make relics "automatically win". Especially in the case of 2handed weps. The 20 acc and high *** base dmg are more of a benefit than the loltriple procs on jobs that have a low DoT/High WS dmg ratio

Ah, for some reason I thought they did apply to WSes, but I guess not. But yeah the base dmg and massive bonus to accuracy (thus allowing more selective gear to TP in) is pretty win.

But from what I recall, the things that made Mythics "meh" was the fact that you needed 300% for aftermath to be worth anything decent.

They have to be like that. If it was 100 TP, they'd be downright broken. Anyone who had a mythic would totally rape face.

Imagine mnk/war w/ faith baghs that were dmg+20 delay 96 instead of dmg+9 delay 113

Having the dmg proc on say barrage is pretty awesome though.

Also alot of them win because of there wss.

Oh how things have changed.

Really

why

converting to pupp now.

Cuz it's Mnkk?