Regulate Religion, Not Guns.
Regulate Religion, Not Guns.
This is just turning into my college Logic class, god knows I don't want to go through that again. (HURR)
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Bismarck.Ebonie said:
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Midgardsormr.Frobeus said:
Fairy.Vylandra said:
I think, therefore I'm atheist.
Sam_Harris said:
"Atheism is not a philosophy; it is not even a view of the world; it is simply an admission of the obvious. In fact, "atheism" is a term that should not even exist. No one ever needs to identify himself as a "non-astrologer" or a "non-alchemist". We do not have words for people who doubt that Elvis is still alive or that aliens have traversed the galaxy only to molest ranchers and their cattle. Atheism is nothing more than the noises reasonable people make in the presence of unjustified religious belief."
phi·los·o·phy (f-ls-f) n. pl. phi·los·o·phies
1. Love and pursuit of wisdom by intellectual means and moral self-discipline.
2. Investigation of the nature, causes, or principles of reality, knowledge, or values, based on logical reasoning rather than empirical methods.
3. A system of thought based on or involving such inquiry: the philosophy of Hume.
4. The critical analysis of fundamental assumptions or beliefs.
5. The disciplines presented in university curriculums of science and the liberal arts, except medicine, law, and theology.
6. The discipline comprising logic, ethics, aesthetics, metaphysics, and epistemology.
7. A set of ideas or beliefs relating to a particular field or activity; an underlying theory: an original philosophy of advertising.
8. A system of values by which one lives: has an unusual philosophy of life.
Note number 7. Which in the case of the case argued would be belief instead of beliefs.
2. Not believing in god does not even come close to not believing anything. Once again "Atheism is not a philosophy; it is not even a view of the world; it is simply an admission of the obvious."
1. I apologize for making that general statement, you are correct.
2. It is a philosophy 7. A set of ideas or beliefs relating to a particular field or activity; an underlying theory. The field is religion. Atheist view on religion is that it isn't real. That is a belief no matter how much you might want to toss around words to appear as it isn't. Atheism is the religion of not being religious. Atheism is listed as a religion by the way.
Gilgamesh.Andras said:
I dunno about this all, but i still think we're bitching.
Midgardsormr.Frobeus said:
Midgardsormr.Sectumsempra said:
Oh, and:
Yeah, but anthropology and philology teaches us that "choosing environment" is a survival instinct. A lot of what we think are "choices" are actually instincts; look for a time before homo habilis and after, as well as the development of the neocortex and you will see some scary, scary ***.
Ragnarok.Psyence said:
Sociology shows us that most of our decisions are driven by our environment, but the fact is we can sometimes chose our environment and therefore decide who will be around to influence us, so we do have some decision making to do after all. Find a better question for a debate, not one that everybody agrees on! :P
Yeah, but anthropology and philology teaches us that "choosing environment" is a survival instinct. A lot of what we think are "choices" are actually instincts; look for a time before homo habilis and after, as well as the development of the neocortex and you will see some scary, scary ***.
Humans don't actually have instincts, but as I stated before, maybe people aren't as unpredictable as everyone thinks.
Your reptilian brain would like a word with your paleomammalian brain.
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Gilgamesh.Andras said:
I dunno about this all, but i still think we're bitching.
I might be
Bismarck.Ebonie said:
2. It is a philosophy 7. A set of ideas or beliefs relating to a particular field or activity; an underlying theory. The field is religion. Atheist view on religion is that it isn't real. That is a belief no matter how much you might want to toss around words to appear as it isn't. Atheism is the religion of not being religious. Atheism is listed as a religion by the way.
Midgardsormr.Frobeus said:
Humans don't actually have instincts, but as I stated before, maybe people aren't as unpredictable as everyone thinks.
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Midgardsormr.Frobeus said:
Humans don't actually have instincts, but as I stated before, maybe people aren't as unpredictable as everyone thinks.
My dog died today.
Gilgamesh.Andras said:
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Midgardsormr.Frobeus said:
Humans don't actually have instincts, but as I stated before, maybe people aren't as unpredictable as everyone thinks.
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Bismarck.Ebonie said:
2. It is a philosophy 7. A set of ideas or beliefs relating to a particular field or activity; an underlying theory. The field is religion. Atheist view on religion is that it isn't real. That is a belief no matter how much you might want to toss around words to appear as it isn't. Atheism is the religion of not being religious. Atheism is listed as a religion by the way.
Lakshmi.Aaroca said:
This is just turning into my college Logic class, god knows I don't want to go through that again. (HURR)
Exactly, which is why arguing religion or God is fundamentally flawed and therefore pointless and even bordering on HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE.
These questions are subjective and cannot be answered within the confines that they are being proposed in. As long as people are so full of ***that they can't get passed this and somehow think this "proves" w/e point they are trying to make no actual conversation can take place.
A discussion about God can only result in learning about the individual you are conversing with since the perception of God is completely subjective to each individual.
Ragnarok.Psyence said:
Well, Buddhism, out of every "religions", is the one that makes the most sense to me, but it also isn't really a religion (as in the definition of all that we despise from most organized religions).
As far as I know, it's more of a philosophy (that's a compliment for ya). Not that it's important to have a religion but if you're going to have one, it sounds much less narrow minded than the other ones.
There's some questioning involved, as far as I know. Your reply makes you sound pretty open minded, if that could serve as an example.
As far as I know, it's more of a philosophy (that's a compliment for ya). Not that it's important to have a religion but if you're going to have one, it sounds much less narrow minded than the other ones.
There's some questioning involved, as far as I know. Your reply makes you sound pretty open minded, if that could serve as an example.
You're right on this one, I use the term religion loosely for lack of a better word really, lol. It's not quite the same, but it's probably the closest of the well known religions I could use to make a comparison.
I was brought up with very "hippy" type parents, you can imagine how cool I was back in school lol.. no not really. Thus a lot of my beliefs would cause way to much drama if I started into explanations.
But the basics are like I said similar in ways to Buddhism crossed with Neo Pagan ways of thinking. If that makes sense... We believe less in one great big dude up in the sky and more in higher beings, spirits or what have you. Thinking positive, meditation and the likes. I'm sure this makes some people laugh, and that's cool, I've been dealing with it my whole life, and I guess from the outside it does look funny.
But, it helps me find peace, so that's all that really matters :)
I have an idea! Lets run some tests on a chimp and see what happens!
Midgardsormr.Sectumsempra said:
Oh, and:
Yeah, but anthropology and philology teaches us that "choosing environment" is a survival instinct. A lot of what we think are "choices" are actually instincts; look for a time before homo habilis and after, as well as the development of the neocortex and you will see some scary, scary ***.
Ragnarok.Psyence said:
Sociology shows us that most of our decisions are driven by our environment, but the fact is we can sometimes chose our environment and therefore decide who will be around to influence us, so we do have some decision making to do after all. Find a better question for a debate, not one that everybody agrees on! :P
Yeah, but anthropology and philology teaches us that "choosing environment" is a survival instinct. A lot of what we think are "choices" are actually instincts; look for a time before homo habilis and after, as well as the development of the neocortex and you will see some scary, scary ***.
I'd like to take myself as an example... Sorry if that sounds lame but... I'm a white guy and my parents are Jehovah Witnesses and for some reason, when I was 8, they sent me to a school where I was the only white kid. As a teenager, I was attracted to Hispanic girls and growing up, I got interested in stuff coming from Japan. Now, I have a Vietnamese girlfriend and I am pretty convinced that my parents are idiots for getting dragged into that JW sh*t.
However, I will always wonder why they chose to send me to an elementary school with 99% of black kids around. Did that change me? I never became an Eminem look-alike... although I saw the other few white guys around become so... Instead, my only black friends today are the ones who like Japanese stuff, they're the ones I kept contact with. Is my environment changing me or am I changing the environment around me? It's probably a bit of both but I'm sure with a little effort, people with somewhat of a brain do have at the very least some control over what they think.
How did this get to page 16? just wondering
Quotes stopped working, but Psyvence, I thought you meant literal environment on a tribal scale, sorry D:
Bismarck.Ebonie said:
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Bismarck.Ebonie said:
2. It is a philosophy 7. A set of ideas or beliefs relating to a particular field or activity; an underlying theory. The field is religion. Atheist view on religion is that it isn't real. That is a belief no matter how much you might want to toss around words to appear as it isn't. Atheism is the religion of not being religious. Atheism is listed as a religion by the way.
If it's off topic why is the thread still open?
Ragnarok.Psyence said:
Is my environment changing me or am I changing the environment around me? It's probably a bit of both but I'm sure with a little effort, people with somewhat of a brain do have at the very least some control over what they think.
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Midgardsormr.Frobeus said:
Humans don't actually have instincts, but as I stated before, maybe people aren't as unpredictable as everyone thinks.
Here's my theory about this, if you allow me:
Rational people are highly predictable.
Emotional people are highly unpredictable.
In modern days, a lot of emphasis is being put in excelling at mathematics. Rational people are generally considered superior (given better jobs, salaries, positions, etc.)
Since our system is based on economics, it's only natural that we would want to push people into being predictable. Having extremely high emotional intelligence rarely will make you rich, because you probably didn't pass your math classes in college with A+. It does give you an edge in social debates because you know how the hell to win an argument.
This is of course, a general trend and there are no scientific ways to demonstrate this. It's just an assumption based on my biased perspective of the world. Not much can be proved from this, but it does leave me thinking. Feel free to steal my idea and write a book, I couldn't care less. Of course, I'm pretty sure that you won't.
Bismarck.Ebonie said:
If it's off topic why is the thread still open?
Bismarck.Ebonie said:
If it's off topic why is the thread still open?
Because threads are allowed to evolve.
When will people learn this:
Guns don't kill people. People kill people.
What is religion based off of? People.
So, Religion plays more into other's death than guns do.
Guns are tools also, how can you blame a tool for doing what it was intended to do?
Guns don't kill people. People kill people.
What is religion based off of? People.
So, Religion plays more into other's death than guns do.
Guns are tools also, how can you blame a tool for doing what it was intended to do?
Midgardsormr.Sectumsempra said:
Bismarck.Ebonie said:
If it's off topic why is the thread still open?
Because threads are allowed to evolve.
Asura.Korpg said:
When will people learn this:
Guns don't kill people. People kill people.
Guns don't kill people. People kill people.
Ragnarok.Psyence said:
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Midgardsormr.Frobeus said:
Humans don't actually have instincts, but as I stated before, maybe people aren't as unpredictable as everyone thinks.
Rational people are highly predictable.
Emotional people are highly unpredictable.
Rational people on the other hand think things thru. A person who thinks things thru is harder to predict for a few reasons. 1. Greater chance of subterfuge. 2. What is logical to you might not be to them for many good reasons really.
Midgardsormr.Sectumsempra said:
Bismarck.Ebonie said:
If it's off topic why is the thread still open?
Because threads are allowed to evolve.
Bismarck.Ebonie said:
Midgardsormr.Sectumsempra said:
Bismarck.Ebonie said:
If it's off topic why is the thread still open?
Because threads are allowed to evolve.
For the record, we never evolved from monkeys. Say hello to sahelanthropus tchadensis.
Asura.Ludoggy said:
Midgardsormr.Sectumsempra said:
Bismarck.Ebonie said:
If it's off topic why is the thread still open?
Because threads are allowed to evolve.
because... you know...
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