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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-11-09 14:36:15
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Cerberus.Jiko said:
If, as it says, they are equivalent to the Destroyers, Then they will be better then nq Hades.

cept destroyers have 2 more dmg and 3 more crit hit rate... so they really aren't equivalent
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2009-11-09 14:37:45
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Cerberus.Jiko said:
If, as it says, they are equivalent to the Destroyers, Then they will be better then nq Hades.

Pygme Sainti (PUP version of Destroyers)
DMG:+16 Delay:+51 Accuracy+4
Critical hit rate +3%
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I guess his word saying they were "equivalent" (which he didn't even do that btw) is more important than the stats matching up, right?
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By Bismarck.Masterblaster 2009-11-09 14:38:10
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And since your h2h skill caps at 225 (241 with full h2h merits) in certain situations you will need the acc from the hades.
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2009-11-09 14:39:15
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Even when acc uncapped, the 2 base dmg > the 3% crits.
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By Shiva.Drteeth 2009-11-09 14:41:11
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Not sure if this was mentioned yet, but...doesn't "inscribable" mean you can sign it?
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By Fairy.Tbest 2009-11-09 14:41:58
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I believe it means that you can readily add 'evolith' to it. As opposed to 'socketing' regular gear.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2009-11-09 14:45:57
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It's just awesome how Vegetto passes opinion as gospel.

simmer down a bit big boy, no-one is attacking you.
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By Areis 2009-11-09 14:46:48
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Fairy.Vegetto said:
Areis said:
Fairy.Vegetto said:
Areis said:

Mnk Togi for Acc/Atk is a nice piece, defiantly up near the top 5 for the job

Togi decent at best. Upgrade I guess if you are rockin a SH


If your not using Shira / Osode / Mirke (IE newer monk) it might be a really good option to work yourself into, instead of rocking SH forever :p

I don't expect most updates these days to be for the people who already rock full Salvage HNM Sea Sky etc. gear

Again, decent upgrade for someone w/ SH, but not top 5worthy material.


1: P.warden body
2: Shura +1
3: Mirke
4: Shura
5: Lambton worm body?

your looking close to the top there, potentially requiring no serious NM work and a considerable upgrade for DPS. I would have to go find work someone else did and look up options for MNK but you have to admit given that if you don't have Mirke and don't wanna spend 1mil+ this will probably be your work around.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2009-11-09 14:47:56
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Areis said:
Fairy.Vegetto said:
Areis said:
Fairy.Vegetto said:
Areis said:

Mnk Togi for Acc/Atk is a nice piece, defiantly up near the top 5 for the job

Togi decent at best. Upgrade I guess if you are rockin a SH


If your not using Shira / Osode / Mirke (IE newer monk) it might be a really good option to work yourself into, instead of rocking SH forever :p

I don't expect most updates these days to be for the people who already rock full Salvage HNM Sea Sky etc. gear

Again, decent upgrade for someone w/ SH, but not top 5worthy material.


1: P.warden body
2: Shura 1
3: Mirke
4: Shura
5: Lambton worm body?

your looking close to the top there, potentially requiring no serious NM work and a considerable upgrade for DPS. I would have to go find work someone else did and look up options for MNK but you have to admit given that if you don't have Mirke and don't wanna spend 1mil this will probably be your work around.


Since when is Mirke > Shura?
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2009-11-09 14:50:37
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Mirke > shura+1, but aside from the point, his list is missing usukane body and enkidu harness, which are both also better than the new option.
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By Areis 2009-11-09 14:50:44
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As i said... have to look into it
myself i use Mirke Acc/Atk which works well enough, and unless your getting Acc songs, using Acc food, or using full Usu my guess is the Acc helps more than the Atk at that point.

But rolling 8 jobs I generally look at things within a 2% difference as side grades dependent on situation.
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By Cerberus.Jiko 2009-11-09 14:52:03
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Settle down, Vegetto. No need to get your panties in a bunch. I dont have destroyers yet, so I assumed since it said "Pup version of destroyers", the stats were equal to the monk's destroyers.

Now settle down, big boy, or gb2/BG/
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By Areis 2009-11-09 14:53:14
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8th... so much further down that 5th (all thats required to be in top 5).

and much easier to obtain (likely) than most of the rest of the list above it (also likely much cheeper)
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2009-11-09 14:53:41
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Fairy.Vegetto said:
Mirke > shura 1, but aside from the point, his list is missing usukane body and enkidu harness, which are both also better than the new option.


Both of us have severely different opinions on Mirke it seems.

I suppose race factors into it, but i rarely need the +acc and +dex from mirke with full merits in h2h.

it's nice, but the DoT just isn't on par with shura let alone +1.

Mirke is a gear change for Asuran fists at best.
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2009-11-09 14:54:02
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Cerberus.Jiko said:
Settle down, Vegetto. No need to get your panties in a bunch. I dont have destroyers yet, so I assumed since it said "Pup version of destroyers", the stats were equal to the monk's destroyers.

Now settle down, big boy, or gb2/BG/

Settle down from what? lol I hope you don't think I got upset because you were saying those were = to destroyers. I was just simply correcting you. Trust me, if I were mad, you'd know it. Ask Korpg.
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2009-11-09 14:56:53
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Shiva.Flionheart said:
Fairy.Vegetto said:
Mirke > shura 1, but aside from the point, his list is missing usukane body and enkidu harness, which are both also better than the new option.


Both of us have severely different opinions on Mirke it seems.

I suppose race factors into it, but i rarely need the acc and dex from mirke with full merits in h2h.

it's nice, but the DoT just isn't on par with shura let alone 1.

Mirke is a gear change for Asuran fists at best.


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Assuming 6 level correction, 550 attack before body, 400 def mob:

550 attack / 400 = 1.375
1.375 - .3 = 1.075
12.5 / 400 = .03125
1.10625 / 1.075 = 1.029 or a 2.9% increase in damage from attack on mirke

22 / 400 = .055
1.13 / 1.075 = 1.051 or a 5.1% increase in damage from attack on togi+1

51.25/50 = 1.025 or 2.5% increase in dmg from fSTR on average(mileage may vary since it'll always be either 1 or 2.. 1 75% of the time).. either 2 or 4% respectively

2.9 * 1.02 = 2.958 + 2 = 4.978% increase in damage per hit when fSTR only increases DMG by 1

2.9 * 1.04 = 3.016 + 4 = 7.016% increase in damage per hit when fSTR increases DMG by 2

1.5 acc = .75% hitrate, in the 90s this is about a 0.8% increase in hits landed and WS damage if acc is uncapped

5 DEX = not calculable

If fSTR increases DMG by 1 and accuracy is uncapped, Mirke will win by 0.678% melee damage and 0.8% WS damage from extra tp.

If fSTR increases DMG by 2 and accuracy is uncapped, Mirke will win by 1.92% melee damage and 0.8% WS damage from extra tp.

If fSTR increases DMG by 1 and accuracy is capped, Togi+1 wins by 0.122% melee damage barring critical hits. A crit in this case gives 88.4% increase in damage for that hit only. Simple multiplication reveals that the 5 DEX needs to give you 0.13% critical hit rate for Mirke to win.

If fSTR increases DMG by 2 and accuracy is capped, Mirke will win by 1.984% melee damage.

I would say that there is no reasonable place where Togi+1 will outdo Mirke, as to have attack low enough to increase togi's value would lower your accuracy below cap in all likelihood.
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By Fairy.Azulmagia 2009-11-09 14:57:54
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Just got Aega's Doublet off a Mandy NM in Yuhtunga.
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2009-11-09 14:59:19
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Fairy.Azulmagia said:
Just got Aega's Doublet off a Mandy NM in Yuhtunga.

Oh nice, new NMs in old areas. Is it near XP camp? If so, could be trouble for them (but who xps there anymore anyways)
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2009-11-09 14:59:22
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Having used both Mirke and Togi, I find those numbers bull.
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2009-11-09 15:01:48
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Having Togi, Togi+1, Mirke, AND Usu body, I've been able to test all 4. (Usu body > Mirke > Togi+1 > Togi when uncapped in acc. Osode at front of list when acc is capped) Also, lol at trying to call Thorny's math bull. He's well known for his comprehension of the game mechanics.
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By Fairy.Azulmagia 2009-11-09 15:01:51
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Fairy.Vegetto said:
Fairy.Azulmagia said:
Just got Aega's Doublet off a Mandy NM in Yuhtunga.

Oh nice, new NMs in old areas. Is it near XP camp? If so, could be trouble for them (but who xps there anymore anyways)


Korropokkur, a room in the lower-left corner of G-7.
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2009-11-09 15:03:52
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Of course the usu body in my post, was not accompanied by the other 4 pieces. 5/5 usu trumps the rest capped or uncapped.
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By Fairy.Azulmagia 2009-11-09 15:19:07
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Duke Decapod, Crab, East Sarutabaruta, G-4, no drop.
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By Remora.Belius 2009-11-09 15:37:34
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OMG.
Lyricist's Gonnelle
[Back] CHR+3 Attack+6
CanEquip, NoSale, Ex, Rare
Lv 64 WAR, MNK, RDM, THF, PLD, DRK, BST, BRD, RNG, SAM, NIN, DRG, BLU, COR, DNC

A BST equip-able back CHR piece!!! :o
[+]
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By Unicorn.Tarowyn 2009-11-09 15:41:41
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Siren.Enternius said:
It should be noted that Kyoshu is Japanese for "Knife", meaning a possible piercing damage hidden effect on those for Footwork as well? Idk just guessing.

Btw, not sure where you got this from, but kyoshu is not even close to "knife"
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By Bahamut.Fyyvoaa 2009-11-09 15:42:48
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Fairy.Azulmagia said:
Fairy.Vegetto said:
Fairy.Azulmagia said:
Just got Aega's Doublet off a Mandy NM in Yuhtunga.

Oh nice, new NMs in old areas. Is it near XP camp? If so, could be trouble for them (but who xps there anymore anyways)


Korropokkur, a room in the lower-left corner of G-7.



I just killed him and didn't get anything >.> doesn't surprise me though, I seem to have like th -5 or something
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By Bahamut.Rydiya 2009-11-09 15:44:43
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Sounds like a 40% drop rate or so.
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By Remora.Belius 2009-11-09 15:45:33
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Unicorn.Tarowyn said:
Siren.Enternius said:
It should be noted that Kyoshu is Japanese for "Knife", meaning a possible piercing damage hidden effect on those for Footwork as well? Idk just guessing.

Btw, not sure where you got this from, but kyoshu is not even close to "knife"

It means 'guard' doesn't it?
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By Unicorn.Tarowyn 2009-11-09 15:51:03
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強蹴脚絆

It's just the kanji for strong and kick so it does exactly what you'd expect it to
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By Fairy.Azulmagia 2009-11-09 16:32:09
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Also so far: *** in Meriph, no drop. Gigas in BG, no drop. Golem in Zi'Tah, no drop. Fomor in MoS, no drop P:
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