Sortie: Gartell Melee Question

I agree. You CAN Geo/Indi Grav which makes him barely move but its unnecessary on F.

Also I would skip the Thunder Carol mentioned above. Its not doing anything.

I am aware and agree. Oversimplification on my part. The gist is we do ws likely to do darkness or not light. Our sames have mumei so fudo twice in a row dosent happen.

I also agree on rudras. I am always on Drk or War. The brd is using rudras, the cor is using savage or evisceration. With our line up usualy there is slim chance of savage screwing this up and cor only uses savge typically when we have a pug and they don't have an evisceration set rdy.

I agree that kiting is the best strat with the aminon line up but not when you're optimizing for 8 boss only. The zerg method is much faster and reliable from my experience.

Yeah what the hell am I talking about? For some reason I thought the Gravity effect was unique, but it's just normal gravity icon so no. Disregard that error statement on my behalf.

Are you using speed hack? I'm not asking this to critize. Just curious because we do not have that much time left if we include roaming nms, let alone nakuls.what is your job line up?

There’s no need of speed hacking, a good run 8/8 should yield you 15 min +/- of free time honestly (that’s why people do aminon). 18% speed will guarantee every roll yield 60% but unlucky, some people add the monster 2%, but that’s not necessary imo. Smooth transition, pre rolling, bolter + chocobo jig asap after kill, no downtime, it’s a race, NM are just anecdotal for end group.Actually with the meta setup (like melliny posted) even 8/8 or 1/1 if that what you do is the setup to aim for, no NM last 1 minute, the combination of defense down is what make that setup crazy.

Speed hack side note:
Group that “speed” tends to miss so much detail because they just don’t pay attention to details, invitation of sloppiness imo. Don’t get used to it, just a train wreck waiting to happens after the doge FAA team went thru the train station. I don’t condemn it, I see plenty of dad and mom that split for a child calling and “catch up” but yeah don’t get use to it, if you do keep yourself in check, like booze.

NM kill times make a difference, too. I remember my first Aita clear taking nearly 3 minutes and now they take 45 seconds or so. Our job lineup is typically DD, DD, COR, BRD, GEO, and WHM. DDs normally SAM and WAR or SAM and DRK.

Back to Drakelth, we start with H and use 2 hours right of the bat and find a way for them to be available again by F. Helps to keep Gartell kill times less than a minute.

Bold lol. Can confirm no speed hack is required to 8 bosses and have 12 (even 15) minutes left, even when using 9-boss jobs (subbing drk). You can do most minis along the way or during starting objections, saving time hunting them at the end. Bitzer placement can reward you extra time (i.e. stare saves you 30 seconds if it's in the boss square and not big room). Many groups that 9-boss can fit an Aminon Hard Mode with 11~ minutes on the clock.

Said they are killing all bosses, all nms and nakuls. With roaming nm being rng not sure how it is physically possible to do all of that if you get one of the nms way out of the way or, the deltorius is in the big room with a dozen or more formers. Not to mention if you're waiting for nakuru to spawn. I'm not questioning that tine if it's just typical 8 boss run. If I misread then my bad and sorry.

Depends on how we read it. They list the route and mention time remaining, THEN explain further that they kill minis/naaks. If this is done after F, that's perfectly reasonable.


Sounds like these parts are at the end of the 8-boss during that 10-12 minute window, not before.


They're actually not. The starting point is random (for instance, sometimes Bhoot is in middle of big C Bitzer room at the very beginning, sometimes he is in hallway), but they always end in the exact same path during certain times. Bhoot as mentioned may or may not be in C Big Room at start, but is always there at the end of a run. Same exact thing with Deleterious and Porxie. Obdella is usually roaming the 4-square room before A boss, which can be hit along the path or afterwards. Their path is predictable after doing it a number of times. This means doing 8-boss and then going for minis, you never have to look for them because they're always where they're expected to be.

Thank you for the basic sortie lesson that I didn't ask for. It's not a question of 8 boss with 12 mins left. It's a question of 8 boss, all nms upstairs, 3/4 downstairs and nakuls and having 10 to 12 mins. If this is possible I'd like to know the strat and job set up so I can improve our group. If it's a speed hack then I can disregard and I'm not judging anyone because purple hallways suck a d I wish I could be more reward out of the daily soul drain too.

They aren't that random. Start places are random but they finish in the same spots. We do 9/9 Minis and Naaks with solid consistency.

Split > DH > Bhoot (Corpse room) > CBA > Obdella (3 members) always north of start quad > Pig (DNC solos) in fire room > DD* (PLD kits to D bitzer and teleports, GEO pulls DD off the pack: hes in the big room or the hall almost in the big room) > FGE > Aminon > Naaks (F)

*DD we kill if he's west of C during KI farming or south of start after D boss. Otherwise he's always in the big room near D bitzer.

No speed hacks, one of our members is vanilla and always 10-15 seconds behind to each boss.

That's a pretty standard path. My aminon group does D --> H --> A B C -> G F E - Aminon, which is the same rout but saves E for last so we can go right into aminon afterward. This allows us to use soul voice on Aita and then cutting cards the bard so that soul voice is back up for aminon, Even if cutting cards is a 1 it shaves off enough time to have SV for the final fight. There really isn't a better path imo. You have to run to all 8 bosses regardless, and there really isn't a more efficient rout to get through em.

We always send our paladin to check the off path when we warp to the basements. Rarely get to naaks, though we do see them on occasion, but usually get the 4 minis on the upsatairs floors. Bhoot and deli are often there at the start, and if they aren't you end up running past em later in the run, and leech is a common sight on the path to the A boss. The pig is the one we have to go out of the way to find more than any others.


There's a way you can save some time. My group completely ignores all downstairs minis. We don't fight the naraka (just stack choco jig II with bolters and power through the curse), don't fight the botulus (we have our paladin kite the salamander, so we don't have issues with poison. his attacks are ranged so he stops every few seconds to burp slime at the paladin and never tps. I just have to watch my jumps on dancer so he doesnt try to use a move on me). And we definately don't touch ixion or the plant lady.

I rather kill the baby Bumba had with Aminon than do Nakuls. As soon as I kill the main bosses I warp out. I have better things to do with my 10 mins e.g idle in Rabao.

Updated my post we do FGE (not A) just like Melliny.

We also skip all the basement NMs to save time and send PLD to the wing so everyone else can buff while waiting for the PLD to gather with the group.

Pig is in the fire element room if you do it right before going down to F. The only top floor NM we kill early is DD (if we see him) otherwise we wait to fight them in route to save time.

Naaks we need 3:30 (best time) or more after Aminon to run there and kill. Aminon NQ takes us 4:30 to kill on average, we've done a single sub 4 min kill. Best HQ was 5:45 but his times fluctuate more with WC luck.

We don't use speed hacks, and the 10/12 minutes is whats left after f is dead, we use that time to kill narakuls and hit other stretch goals, clean up left over nms, party room, end in H, remateralize c, those kind of things. We dont worry on the run as 8 bosses is always the priority. We tend to kill ixion while we wait for the rdm to get narakuls spawned.

setup is sam/war/rdm/cor/brd/whm, most basement bosses are a minute or less time to kill, we definitely didn't start at this pace and its a lot of finding little efficencies that work for us. Couple I'll mention, we can and will pull the deleterious and the horde surrounding it. Its really not hard for my sam to pull and hold 10 fomora while killing them and waiting on breaks using third eye/seigen, we never wait on narukuls more than a minute or 2(far bitzers suck) we use the F basement for our kills though. Honestly wish our aminon runs where as smooth, still only on aminon +6 or 7, wanna move to that 9 boss daily runs.

My advice to you is to keep following the exact same path that Mel pointed out until you guys start doing 9-boss.

It will suck that you guys will be missing out on Aminon for a few runs, but getting used to the very specific details of of each section of Sortie is key. The more mix-ups you have, the longer it's gonna take for the crew to get used to it.

We get stunned but no issues with it really. You're doing 5 songs and SV? We didn't touch gartell before we had aria so I can't really speak to that part.

I'm not sure if our SAM does meikyo but they do yeag. WAR does MS too. We've been doing F+G with first SV then CBAD then we finish with E+H. Our SAM and WAR are both stage 4. COR and BRD both doing savage blade.

It's much more difficult when you're bringing randoms, but I'd recommend a very different path if you can count on your members having certain temp items going in.

We do Aminon E Shards ABCD GHF

This way you're guaranteed to get 2 SV (using CC as necessary), get at least 2 bosses per SV, and can also take full advantage of any WC luck as well. Doing all the upstairs stuff at once saves some backtracking/running around. We typically grab the NMs if/when we see them, but most of the time we count on grabbing them at their final positions.

Finishing 8 bosses with 12 minutes left is nothing special and doesn't require any hacking, I think it was just a misunderstanding of where the 12m is counted. We've definitely had around 10 minutes left at Gartell (like night we did 2 runs, both had 9 minutes left at F) even after having cleared all the minis (on an 8 boss). We do typically skip most of the downstairs minis though, since they aren't worth that much and cost a fair bit of time, esp. if they're out of the way.

I might be able to pitch this after we're done our current HM farm for mesos. I am hopeful the HM runs will make our NM runs quicker and we can make the time for H. I will probably push todo H instead of F for a bit to get more comfortable on H with our Aminon jobs after this batch of meso. I do appreciate the advice though.

How fast the bosses go depends on how many primes and their stage there are in the party, mostly, which is your main dd source.

Aria is what helps the most, followed by the relevant dd weapons.