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Infographics Pros & Cons of Pserver vs. Retail
Well....this is embarrassing...
Draylo said: » Asura.Rockooo said: » you're right it makes no sense. which is why i said it was unhinged behavior. notice how twice you havent denied sayin it, rather u only deny that you were serious.... which we all know is bs. youve done so much crying on so many videos i woudlnt be surprised you cant remember what you said( even though we all know youre fully aware that you said it lmfao) and of course you follow it up with gaslighting by claiming im "attacking you" by simply reminding you of your own words/actions. "there will never be an influx of players(barring retail going free to play in some form) to bring the game back to its former glory" what about this statement is nonsense? how delusional are you to disagree with this? I would be interested in seeing the screenshots. I wouldn't deny it because I don't remember every single post I've made on every single platform, but if I ever did say that it was probably being as a joke because I more than anyone know that SE wouldn't do anything. I also couldn't care less if they were deleted tomorrow or not, I just rather not see them like a plague across every XI media in existence. I was perfectly fine ignoring them every time a new server bopped into existence before this one. That ninja money really stretched to the point it created a cult. I'm sorry you think someone passionate about a hobby, going to videos clearly labeled "FFXI" even though its that fake server, and commenting somehow bothers you. I offer you the block button, I only have 1 account on youtube and 1 here. You seem to get some kind of weird satisfaction reading them though, so you probably won't. What is delusional about your previous post is you saying the game is dead and wont get updates, which someone already called you out on. The population of any MMO is always changing and rarely always positive, look at XIV. Outside of expansions that is the usual, which is why I had wanted an expansion for this game for a long time. Nobody here wants it to go back to its "former glory" except these special people on the private servers who apparently can't ever let that single era go (not to mention its not even the only 75 era, there were many as 75 was stretched for a while. They can't even agree when this perfect time period was) Most of us just want to enjoy the game and see it continue. You don't see me going to their forums or discord hating on them. Youtube is open to all so it is not the same as people like Homstar religiously coming into these threads anytime they are bumped or created. Homsar said: » Draylo said: » Lol you can't make this up, these people who apparently quit come up anytime these threads are bumped or made. I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. I come to this forum because I like retail and like knowing what's going on there. This is something I've stated many times. Draylo said: » This also isn't my thread, so try harder ...what? lol! Now he likes retail... sure bud. This guy, who for I think years now, has come into these threads constantly disparaging retail saying its content is stale, bad and horrible (purple room simulator.) Saying its players are delusional, desperate and dumb. Who personally attacks anyone who says something negative about this server. This is someone who "likes" FFXI. Right... The last part of your post, a sock account or troll came into the thread (who doesn;'t even play anymore, yet mysteriously appears any time these threads are bumped/made) and said it was my thread for crying. I didn't create this, I just leave my opinion like everyone else. i have no interest in digging through the hundreds if not thousands of shtposts youve made on youtube to find it, but we all know its there, and i believe you know this and are essentially bluffing because you know its almost impossible to find at this point. the fact that you can call me delusional and in the same sentence u continue to gaslight me. show me where i said it wont get any updates.... theres a reason you didnt use the quote function because u just made that up. this is what i said- "yes i dont mean there will be nothing released/updated, i mean the games population/popularity is on a steady decline." its absolutely wild that u claim i said tthere will be no updates and omitted that part of what i said but quoted the very next line of "bringing it back to its glory days" and further gaslighting by making it seem like im talking about ffxi going back to 75 era cap. im talking about the population of the server. anyone with 3 braincells can see that but of course you are not capable of making any semblance of a point without being disingenuous. "ou don't see me going to their forums or discord hating on them" are you insane? every place someone talks about horizon you are there crying about it. here we are, in a horizonxi sub forum and youre in every post whining and lying about things you dont know or like. this is the epitome of delusional. I apologize if I don't follow everything. I'm still new to this forum. Sometimes I get lost.
Draylo said: » Now he likes retail... sure bud. Obviously I do or I wouldn't have played it for 10+ years. The only reason I don't any more is because there's nothing left to do except grind out a prime and that's boring. Draylo said: » its content is stale, bad and horrible (purple room simulator.) This is a common sentiment because Odyssey and Sortie are stale grindfests. Coincidentally, a topic was made on the FFXI Reddit with this very sentiment about 10 minutes before I typed this post. I know perpetually slurping is your schtick, but you can like a game while recognizing it's weakness. Draylo said: » its players are delusional, desperate and dumb Only a select few. Check your nearest mirror for the top of the list there. Draylo said: » Who personally attacks anyone who says something negative about this server. I tend to stick a select few people to laugh at because they regurgitate the same whiny talking points like the pathetic basement dwellers they are. One guy in specific is such a petulant little whiner that he has posted screenshots of himself attacking randoms in Youtube comments while acting as though he's been given no choice except to engage in internet war with fans of a server that he doesn't care for. HorizonXI is so good, everyone thatis a friend with Server owner has relic weapon.
Homsar said: » This is a common sentiment because Odyssey and Sortie are stale grindfests. OK, let's explore this then. Could you list out content in FFXI which isn't stale or grindy? Do you think these events are not grindy? What do you think makes these events "not stale" or "not grindy"? -Sky -HNM -Limbus -Einherjar -Dynamis -Voidwatch -Campaign -BCNM/KSNM/KCNM/etc. -Salvage -ZNM -Voidwalker -Assault -Besieged -Delve -Unity NM -Sinister Reign -HTBF -Ambuscade -Dynamis [D] -Omen -Skrmish -Gaes Fete -Vagary -Odyssey -Sortie For my part, I'd say all of these are quite boring if you are repeatedly do nothing but that one event. The advantage of retail is that you have all of these events to do, plus probably more that I forgot. On a PS you have nothing but like...the first 6 of them. Oh, I guess I forgot "EXP party" as an event, lol... Hey don't forget SE was constantly trying to appeal to that crowd, so if you really want you can take years to get from ML0 to 50 a couple hours a day! Another fun event for them to do. MMO's have always been grinds, why don't you try to "prog" a master trial instead of complaining.
Carbuncle.Maletaru said: » Homsar said: » This is a common sentiment because Odyssey and Sortie are stale grindfests. OK, let's explore this then. Could you list out content in FFXI which isn't stale or grindy? Do you think these events are not grindy? What do you think makes these events "not stale" or "not grindy"? -Sky -HNM -Limbus -Einherjar -Dynamis -Voidwatch -Campaign -BCNM/KSNM/KCNM/etc. -Salvage -ZNM -Voidwalker -Assault -Besieged -Delve -Unity NM -Sinister Reign -HTBF -Ambuscade -Dynamis [D] -Omen -Skrmish -Gaes Fete -Vagary -Odyssey -Sortie For my part, I'd say all of these are quite boring if you are repeatedly do nothing but that one event. The advantage of retail is that you have all of these events to do, plus probably more that I forgot. On a PS you have nothing but like...the first 6 of them. Oh, I guess I forgot "EXP party" as an event, lol... what you fail to mention is that 90% of that list is irrelevant/obsolete/has no incentive to be done for 99% of the population on retail. and for new players, really no incentive to farm any of that content for gear since it will be completely useless in a few hours upon hitting 99. also, i know some of you just cant seem to wrap your head around the idea of some people actually enjoying old xp parties 1-75. there is a social aspect of the game while leveling that just simply does not exist on retail. just because you dont find xping 1-75 fun with friends doesnt invalidate the thousands of people that feel differently about it. Asura.Rockooo said: » what you fail to mention is that 90% of that list is irrelevant/obsolete/has no incentive to be done for 99% of the population on retail. and for new players, really no incentive to farm any of that content for gear since it will be completely useless in a few hours upon hitting 99. also, i know some of you just cant seem to wrap your head around the idea of some people actually enjoying old xp parties 1-75. there is a social aspect of the game while leveling that just simply does not exist on retail. just because you dont find xping 1-75 fun with friends doesnt invalidate the thousands of people that feel differently about it. My guy, ALL of that content was grindy at the point of it's inception. And to say things like "Oh well I like the social aspect of Xping 1-75" brother, that's literally the same social experience one got from all of that content. Except it required you to do more than just stand there and hit a macro every minute or so. And it is BOLD of you to use the word "thousands" to describe people who enjoy leveling 1-75. Hell, I remember, I was there during the early days, grinding away on *** colibri for days on end for merits. It was not fun, never was fun, and never will be fun. Getting to 75 was the job you had to do before you got to the actual fun part of the game. If you honestly found that type of needless grind fun, all I can say is you'd probably get just as much enjoyment out of cookie clicker as you would that. Draylo said: » Hey don't forget SE was constantly trying to appeal to that crowd, so if you really want you can take years to get from ML0 to 50 a couple hours a day! Another fun event for them to do. MMO's have always been grinds, why don't you try to "prog" a master trial instead of complaining. Also this. You want grindy *** EXP grinding? Literally do master levels. Boom, you're back in the 75 days. Carbuncle.Maletaru said: » -Sky *Required to pop GF gods* -HNM *Dring/Ridill still relevant* -Limbus *Brutal Earring still useful, as are Shedir Seraweels* -Einherjar *Used for mythics, also to gain access to Odin HTBF* -Dynamis *Used for relics, many of which are still extremely relevant. Can be farmed for gil, and ADL has lots of useful drops including Marrows. Also required for relic trials* -Voidwatch *Farmed all the time for empyreans, and also several still relevant items* -Campaign *Mostly ***, though you can do some monthly for silver voucher* -BCNM/KSNM/KCNM/etc. *LOADS of these are still relevant* -Salvage *Used for mythics and also a good way to make gil, especially Salvage v2* -ZNM *Used for mythics* -Voidwalker *Used for empy weapons and trials* -Assault *Used for mythic weapons* -Besieged *Done monthly for silver voucher, also they're updating it with new rewards* -Delve *Plasm is required for Ergon weapons and it's also a GREAT way to make gil, or get required crafting items if you can't find them to buy* -Unity NM *Shitloads of items come from here, it's almost uncountable* -Sinister Reign *Has 5+ popular BiS items from it. Might be more like 10+* -HTBF *Basically every one of them has 1 useful item, some have several* -Ambuscade *Required to be competitive and also INSANELY profitable* -Dynamis [D] *Incredibly useful for JSE necks, Su4/5 weapons, and upgrading relic, and making shitloads of gil* -Omen *Required to upgrade AF, can make gil, and holds dozens of useful items* -Skrmish *Required for LOTS of endgame BiS items* -Gaes Fete *Required for aeonic weapons and also holds a shitload of useful items* -Vagary *Required for empy upgrades, drops lots of valuable gil items, holds a few BiS gear* -Odyssey *Endgame gear, gil, main event* -Sortie *Endgame gear, prime weapons, you know the deal* OK...so yeah there's a lot of events that there's no reason to do on retail... Even with that aside, there are at least 5 different reasons for you to grind EXP in a party with friends on retail if you wanted to. If the thing you want to do the most is get in a party with friends and grind EXP, you should be playing retail. Carbuncle.Maletaru said: » Carbuncle.Maletaru said: » -Sky *Required to pop GF gods* -HNM *Dring/Ridill still relevant* -Limbus *Brutal Earring still useful, as are Shedir Seraweels* -Einherjar *Used for mythics, also to gain access to Odin HTBF* -Dynamis *Used for relics, many of which are still extremely relevant. Can be farmed for gil, and ADL has lots of useful drops including Marrows. Also required for relic trials* -Voidwatch *Farmed all the time for empyreans, and also several still relevant items* -Campaign *Mostly ***, though you can do some monthly for silver voucher* -BCNM/KSNM/KCNM/etc. *LOADS of these are still relevant* -Salvage *Used for mythics and also a good way to make gil, especially Salvage v2* -ZNM *Used for mythics* -Voidwalker *Used for empy weapons and trials* -Assault *Used for mythic weapons* -Besieged *Done monthly for silver voucher, also they're updating it with new rewards* -Delve *Plasm is required for Ergon weapons and it's also a GREAT way to make gil, or get required crafting items if you can't find them to buy* -Unity NM *Shitloads of items come from here, it's almost uncountable* -Sinister Reign *Has 5+ popular BiS items from it. Might be more like 10+* -HTBF *Basically every one of them has 1 useful item, some have several* -Ambuscade *Required to be competitive and also INSANELY profitable* -Dynamis [D] *Incredibly useful for JSE necks, Su4/5 weapons, and upgrading relic, and making shitloads of gil* -Omen *Required to upgrade AF, can make gil, and holds dozens of useful items* -Skrmish *Required for LOTS of endgame BiS items* -Gaes Fete *Required for aeonic weapons and also holds a shitload of useful items* -Vagary *Required for empy upgrades, drops lots of valuable gil items, holds a few BiS gear* -Odyssey *Endgame gear, gil, main event* -Sortie *Endgame gear, prime weapons, you know the deal* OK...so yeah there's a lot of events that there's no reason to do on retail... Just going to point out you forgot Legion for the lulz. Inb4: "Well, if you've already done all those events, have all the gear from every single one of those 20 different events, and have all jobs mastered, and have all the REMA, and have all jobs at ML50, and have beaten every single Ody boss at V25, and have more gil than you could possibly know what to do with, THEN WHAT?!"
...please turn this logic around and apply it to PS, and tell me what you do after you've completed the 5 events on your PS, then what you do. Oh, I guess you just wait for the next major update... ![]() WOW!!! What a list!! I still want to experience all of those and set challenges as a new person!! For example, solo sky gods or dynamis lord if it can be done etc. Just for the excitement. I want to experience everything ^^ and if there's gear that looks cute even if stats aren't. I'd want to get Nashira gear again~
I have a lot of friends who only experienced FFXI until 2010. We get mislead or painted a picture that retail is unplayable sometimes. I mean really left feeling that. SE doesn't advertise anything. When I hear of updates or new announcement even from retail players themselves, it's so shortlived and don't see it engaged live at all. It's such a fail of marketing. I have to like force myself to investigate lol It's soo bad... most I've seen from FFXI live are the Yuh jungles. And with other streamers it's sorties and trusts. It really distorted my idea of the game. It'd feel like there's everything but delivers nothing. It's how I perceived as someone from the outside? Compared to FFXIV I hadn't played in so long I get a glimpse of all the new exciting stuff without trying. Quote: also, i know some of you just cant seem to wrap your head around the idea of some people actually enjoying old xp parties 1-75. there is a social aspect of the game while leveling that just simply does not exist on retail. just because you dont find xping 1-75 fun with friends doesnt invalidate the thousands of people that feel differently about it. You're talking to people who know what the game was. Enjoying something mundane in 2002 when socializing online was an exciting novelty, or due to nostalgia for a short while compared to doing it for 1-2 years in 2024-2025 are different things. /sea all is not a scientific calculation, it's a piece of code that spits out a number. They can easily just make it say /sea all + 1.5k and you'll never know the difference, unless you're actively trying to disprove it. I would guess the real numbers on the server are under half what they pretend they are, maybe even lower than that at this point. The reality of the server is that a large number of the people on it, only really value is because of what /sea all says to them. The people running it know that, and so they have to keep the facade going forever now. Anyone that has played XI for a long time, knows an old version of the game, 12 months later where the only real content is leveling and sky in 2025 where there are so many other games, so many other avenues of entertainment, so many other social group based leveling games (pantheon etc) and another version of the game with 90% more content and that still has "thousands of players" is a sham. You want to believe the numbers and so you don't want to question them, you want to be lied to. There are not thousands of players on the server, XI has alawys been a niche game, but in 2025 an oldschool server like this is a niche of a niche of a niche. Private servers for any game almost always are counted in the hundreds and very rarely go above 1k players unless they are wow (and I'm skeptical even then with most of them too), most of the people on horizon have little experience with private servers and don't know this. They think it's normal for a PS to have thousands of players, it's not and the numbers have always been suspect from the start, and are even more so now after so long with such boring content. The majority of people who tried it, left in the following 6 months. Most of those went for the memberberry moment, and realized it's not the same or just leveling the jobs they wanted and left. If it says there are 2k people online that would mean around half or more are going to be lfg, you can see this is not the case and there are far less people around and the numbers are bullcrap. Again, the deranged desire to promote the server to get more players everywhere, also shows many who pretend to believe the numbers really don't and are trying to keep it going. i knew you would bring up master levels so lets compare. its extremely disingenuous to even compare master lvl grind to 1-75 grind. master levels is standing in the same spot killing the same mob hitting your savage blade macro every 3 seconds for weeks if not months on end. i personally dont find it fun on at all, and id argue no one on retail does either or i would see shouts for ML parties on the busiest server. instead everyone either pays to afk in a party for 12 hours or bots their own xp in a corner somewhere (and gets temp banned for it cough cough draylo)
another huge difference is the difference in pacing. everything is happening so fast theres zero communication among players unless you already know the people you are grouped with and are in some form of voice chat. not saying the speed difference is a bad thing at all, just pointing out they are not comparable. the 1-75 grind however is much more slower paced allowing room for lots of typing and communication, thus fostering a means by which players tend to make friends or in the least be more social. im really sorry u spent countless hours doing something you didnt enjoy 20 years ago, but that was MY favorite aspect of the game at the time. meeting new people and making friends was fun for ME regardless of your opinion on it. this is a sentiment that is shared among MOST people that play on era servers. im really sorry you cannot wrap your head around the concept of someone having an opinion thats not identical to yours but thats really as simple as it gets. people like different things, some people like xp parties. since you dont its no surprise that u dont like era servers. "Even with that aside, there are at least 5 different reasons for you to grind EXP in a party with friends on retail if you wanted to. If the thing you want to do the most is get in a party with friends and grind EXP, you should be playing retail." literally no one is grouping to lvl 1-75 on retail. sure in theory you can do it, but its no longer part of the culture in the current state of the game. thats like someone saying hey lets go to a bar friday night with the intention of being social and the other person replying with the 2 of us can just sit in the basement and drink... sure you can drink in ur basement with 3 specific friends or you can go drink at a bar and meet new people RadialArcana said: » Quote: also, i know some of you just cant seem to wrap your head around the idea of some people actually enjoying old xp parties 1-75. there is a social aspect of the game while leveling that just simply does not exist on retail. just because you dont find xping 1-75 fun with friends doesnt invalidate the thousands of people that feel differently about it. You're talking to people who know what the game was. Enjoying something mundane in 2002 when socializing online was an exciting novelty, or due to nostalgia for a short while compared to doing it for 1-2 years in 2024-2025 are different things. /sea all is not a scientific calculation, it's a piece of code that spits out a number. They can easily just make it say /sea all + 1.5k and you'll never know the difference, unless you're actively trying to disprove it. I would guess the real numbers on the server are under half what they pretend they are, maybe even lower than that at this point. The reality of the server is that a large number of the people on it, only really value is because of what /sea all says to them. The people running it know that, and so they have to keep the facade going forever now. Anyone that has played XI for a long time, knows an old version of the game, 12 months later where the only real content is leveling and sky in 2025 where there are so many other games, so many other avenues of entertainment, so many other social group based leveling games (pantheon etc) and another version of the game with 90% more content and that still has "thousands of players" is a sham. You want to believe the numbers and so you don't want to question them, you want to be lied to. There are not thousands of players on the server, XI has alawys been a niche game, but in 2025 an oldschool server like this is a niche of a niche of a niche. Private servers for any game almost always are counted in the hundreds and very rarely go above 1k players unless they are wow (and I'm skeptical even then with most of them too), most of the people on horizon have little experience with private servers and don't know this. They think it's normal for a PS to have thousands of players, it's not and the numbers have always been suspect from the start, and are even more so now after so long with such boring content. The majority of people who tried it, left in the following 6 months. Most of those went for the memberberry moment, and realized it's not the same or just leveling the jobs they wanted and left. If it says there are 2k people online that would mean around half or more are going to be lfg, you can see this is not the case and there are far less people around and the numbers are bullcrap. Again, the deranged desire to promote the server to get more players everywhere, also shows many who pretend to believe the numbers really don't and are trying to keep it going. if someone plays on a private server for 1 year or 10 years makes no difference if they enjoyed the time spent on what they were doing. are you gonna tell me elden ring was a garbage game because people played it for a year then moved on to the next? are we really gonna sit here and argue the only valid measurement to determine if something is fun is whether or not u can play it your entire life?? what evidence do you have that they are lying about their numbers? i played there and could literally walk past 100 players in qufim island just walking to camp. if you have none im not interested in your conjecture as its the same boring nonsense you come here to say over and over? we get it you dont believe it because u hate it. even if they did lie about having 3k? how many do u think play? 1500?? 1000? 500?? i had to leave phoenix because peak had 700 when i was there. half being jp. most of the rest just afk. could literally go a full week withou seeing a single shout or pug for anything. the number playing on horizon is absolutely irrelevant when you consider the undeniable fact that there is clearly a demand for people to play era servers. this goes for nearly any mmo this old. your entire argument is i dont believe people are playing there because its not fun for me. you act like theres nothing to do but u forget it can take 3-6 months for a casual player to get a single job to 75. if theyre having fun why does that bother you so much? you act like anyone that likes private servers has some nefarious intentions and wants to destroy retail. for the 100th time. ive been playign on retail for 20 years. what do i have to gain by lying or "shilling for private servers". if i feel like playing on retail ill play on retail. if i feel like leveling a job era style with humans ill play on an era server. im sorry you cannot wrap your head around the idea of someone not sharing the exact same opinion on a 20 year old game as you Asura.Rockooo said: » "Even with that aside, there are at least 5 different reasons for you to grind EXP in a party with friends on retail if you wanted to. If the thing you want to do the most is get in a party with friends and grind EXP, you should be playing retail." literally no one is grouping to lvl 1-75 on retail. sure in theory you can do it, but its no longer part of the culture in the current state of the game. thats like someone saying hey lets go to a bar friday night with the intention of being social and the other person replying with the 2 of us can just sit in the basement and drink... sure you can drink in ur basement with 3 specific friends or you can go drink at a bar and meet new people Private servers obviously have a more social leveling experience from 1-75, they sacrifice 2/3rds of FFXI's content to ensure that. But in my experience, many of the people I've encountered who claim retail isn't social simply don't have any patience to LFG on retail, while they have plenty of patience for it on private servers. I'm a very casual player, so I can't speak for those who play more consistently. But I PUG content all the time. Sure, not Odyssey or Sortie, but Odyssey and Sortie aren't exactly the go-to content for meeting strangers still learning the game. I regularly PUG ambuscade, job points, plenty of Adoulin content, and anything else that randomly pops up in my LS. It's slower to LFG for content, sure. Over dozens of conversations, I've found that a lot of people craving the social experience of private servers were either doing the least social content on retail, or else they couldn't stand LFG for even a couple minutes, so they 4-boxed until it drove them to unsub. It's like the only benefit playing on a private server offers is that it reminds a small subset of players to take their time LFG, ignore the cutting edge for a while, and it's okay if their play session isn't the most productive. All these things make retail infinitely more enjoyable too though. Asura.Rockooo said: » another huge difference is the difference in pacing. everything is happening so fast theres zero communication among players unless you already know the people you are grouped with and are in some form of voice chat. not saying the speed difference is a bad thing at all, just pointing out they are not comparable. the 1-75 grind however is much more slower paced allowing room for lots of typing and communication, thus fostering a means by which players tend to make friends or in the least be more social. But then I go try out Horizon and I get 18 exp soloing mobs and I have to rest for 3mins to get my mp back. Carbuncle.Maletaru said: » Carbuncle.Maletaru said: » -Sky *Required to pop GF gods* -HNM *Dring/Ridill still relevant* -Limbus *Brutal Earring still useful, as are Shedir Seraweels* -Einherjar *Used for mythics, also to gain access to Odin HTBF* -Dynamis *Used for relics, many of which are still extremely relevant. Can be farmed for gil, and ADL has lots of useful drops including Marrows. Also required for relic trials* -Voidwatch *Farmed all the time for empyreans, and also several still relevant items* -Campaign *Mostly ***, though you can do some monthly for silver voucher* -BCNM/KSNM/KCNM/etc. *LOADS of these are still relevant* -Salvage *Used for mythics and also a good way to make gil, especially Salvage v2* -ZNM *Used for mythics* -Voidwalker *Used for empy weapons and trials* -Assault *Used for mythic weapons* -Besieged *Done monthly for silver voucher, also they're updating it with new rewards* -Delve *Plasm is required for Ergon weapons and it's also a GREAT way to make gil, or get required crafting items if you can't find them to buy* -Unity NM *Shitloads of items come from here, it's almost uncountable* -Sinister Reign *Has 5+ popular BiS items from it. Might be more like 10+* -HTBF *Basically every one of them has 1 useful item, some have several* -Ambuscade *Required to be competitive and also INSANELY profitable* -Dynamis [D] *Incredibly useful for JSE necks, Su4/5 weapons, and upgrading relic, and making shitloads of gil* -Omen *Required to upgrade AF, can make gil, and holds dozens of useful items* -Skrmish *Required for LOTS of endgame BiS items* -Gaes Fete *Required for aeonic weapons and also holds a shitload of useful items* -Vagary *Required for empy upgrades, drops lots of valuable gil items, holds a few BiS gear* -Odyssey *Endgame gear, gil, main event* -Sortie *Endgame gear, prime weapons, you know the deal* OK...so yeah there's a lot of events that there's no reason to do on retail... Even with that aside, there are at least 5 different reasons for you to grind EXP in a party with friends on retail if you wanted to. If the thing you want to do the most is get in a party with friends and grind EXP, you should be playing retail. sky- pops can be purchased. hnm- no one is camping HNMS for fun dring. if its up its up and u 1 shot it. everyone buys pops. i havent seen a ridill in at least 10 years. sea- brutal can be purchased from npc. once u get shedir theres no reason to ever to limbus again. no one is just randomly doing limbus for fun Einherjar- necessary for rema. no one is doing this for fun unless they need points dynamis- no one is entering dynamis as a group or solo because its fun. there more efficient ways to farm gil/currency unless ur brand new voidwatch- no one does unless theres a campaign for it, and when that campaign is up everyone bots it till they run out of stones and wait 4 months for the next campaign sealNMs- loads of them??? cmon man. its kclub or nothing. maybe iseals during a campain. they serve me no purpose other than chasing that kclub salvage- waste of time. theres far more efficent ways to farm gil to buy alex or alex themselves znm- unless youre in the process of making a mythic no one is doing znm for fun voidwalker- necessary step for empy. no one is doing this for fun assault- absolutely useless no one does unless making a mythic. no one logs in and says let me do some assaults for nothing today besieged- wow 2 besiegeds once a month for a silver voucher. great content. well see what they add with the update however. delve- finally something worth doing. unfortunate it still requires 3 to enter but its something unity nms- great until you got the items u need. i havent touched a unity nm for myself in years, but still fun to help new players with sr- idk about 10+ bis but some good stuff in there. useless content tho once u have what u need. htbf- lots of stuff here. but largely useless once u aquire ur items. adventurer campaign makes it pretty decent money maker but kind of a gamble since u might just get a boatload of plutons ambuscade- great content all around. except for shitty months dynamis d- personally not a fan as regular dynamis from back in teh day burned me out. i cant commit to 1 event for so much of my day multiple times a week anymore. another arbitrary 3 person restriction is a shame as id probably do it once in a while for an hour or so by myself omen- dont need anything anymore but still quick and easy gil. skirmish- no longer need anything from- i dont know anyone that does it for fun. gf- lots of stuff here but if you dont specifically need something anymore theres no reason to do it vagary- not necessary for upgrades, can do the NM fights alone on a new character instead of vagary. again useless content once you acquire a few pieces you need odyssey- the only thing i look forward to logging into retail for sortie- cannot stand have absolutely no interest in doing beyond empy upgrades. for someone like me that list is almost completely absent of anything worth spending my time on. maybe you genuinely find some of the content i find useless to be fun, if so good for you im happy for you. maybe you can learn to share that sentiment for someone that enjoys xping 1-75 on an era server You do realize that you're evaluating the worth of content based on what items you get from it, while simultaneously maintaining that you're better off on a server that will shut down and erase all of the items you've gotten?
show me where i said im better off on a private server
of course id place value on content based on what i get from it... thats kind of the point. why would i do content i dont find fun or have anything to gain from?? i fail to see how that is even contradictory to playing on a server that might shut down.. retail will shut down one day. should i stop playing on retail too by your logic?
Asura.Rockooo said: » OK...so yeah there's a lot of events that there's no reason to do on retail... Even with that aside, there are at least 5 different reasons for you to grind EXP in a party with friends on retail if you wanted to. If the thing you want to do the most is get in a party with friends and grind EXP, you should be playing retail. sky- pops can be purchased. hnm- no one is camping HNMS for fun dring. if its up its up and u 1 shot it. everyone buys pops. i havent seen a ridill in at least 10 years. sea- brutal can be purchased from npc. once u get shedir theres no reason to ever to limbus again. no one is just randomly doing limbus for fun Einherjar- necessary for rema. no one is doing this for fun unless they need points dynamis- no one is entering dynamis as a group or solo because its fun. there more efficient ways to farm gil/currency unless ur brand new voidwatch- no one does unless theres a campaign for it, and when that campaign is up everyone bots it till they run out of stones and wait 4 months for the next campaign sealNMs- loads of them??? cmon man. its kclub or nothing. maybe iseals during a campain. they serve me no purpose other than chasing that kclub salvage- waste of time. theres far more efficent ways to farm gil to buy alex or alex themselves znm- unless youre in the process of making a mythic no one is doing znm for fun voidwalker- necessary step for empy. no one is doing this for fun assault- absolutely useless no one does unless making a mythic. no one logs in and says let me do some assaults for nothing today besieged- wow 2 besiegeds once a month for a silver voucher. great content. well see what they add with the update however. delve- finally something worth doing. unfortunate it still requires 3 to enter but its something unity nms- great until you got the items u need. i havent touched a unity nm for myself in years, but still fun to help new players with sr- idk about 10+ bis but some good stuff in there. useless content tho once u have what u need. htbf- lots of stuff here. but largely useless once u aquire ur items. adventurer campaign makes it pretty decent money maker but kind of a gamble since u might just get a boatload of plutons ambuscade- great content all around. except for shitty months dynamis d- personally not a fan as regular dynamis from back in teh day burned me out. i cant commit to 1 event for so much of my day multiple times a week anymore. another arbitrary 3 person restriction is a shame as id probably do it once in a while for an hour or so by myself omen- dont need anything anymore but still quick and easy gil. skirmish- no longer need anything from- i dont know anyone that does it for fun. gf- lots of stuff here but if you dont specifically need something anymore theres no reason to do it vagary- not necessary for upgrades, can do the NM fights alone on a new character instead of vagary. again useless content once you acquire a few pieces you need odyssey- the only thing i look forward to logging into retail for sortie- cannot stand have absolutely no interest in doing beyond empy upgrades. for someone like me that list is almost completely absent of anything worth spending my time on. maybe you genuinely find some of the content i find useless to be fun, if so good for you im happy for you. maybe you can learn to share that sentiment for someone that enjoys xping 1-75 on an era server You're saying that you either don't need certain content anymore, or that the content is boring... What does that have to do with Maletaru's point? Could we not say the same thing about getting to LVL 75 on a private server and agree to disagree? Maletaru is pointing out the gameplay loop of Retail. For players who want to put themselves out their, Retail simply offers a lot more for social and solo players. Asura.Rockooo said: » of course id place value on content based on what i get from it... thats kind of the point. why would i do content i dont find fun or have anything to gain from?? Also: Asura.Rockooo said: » sealNMs- loads of them??? cmon man. its kclub or nothing. maybe iseals during a campain. they serve me no purpose other than chasing that kclub voidwalker- necessary step for empy. no one is doing this for fun unity nms- great until you got the items u need. i havent touched a unity nm for myself in years, but still fun to help new players with sr- idk about 10+ bis but some good stuff in there. useless content tho once u have what u need. skirmish- no longer need anything from- i dont know anyone that does it for fun. assault- absolutely useless no one does unless making a mythic. no one logs in and says let me do some assaults for nothing today Einherjar- necessary for rema. no one is doing this for fun unless they need points dynamis d- personally not a fan as regular dynamis from back in teh day burned me out. i cant commit to 1 event for so much of my day multiple times a week anymore. another arbitrary 3 person restriction is a shame as id probably do it once in a while for an hour or so by myself If your complaint is that, it's boring, you're contradicting yourself. If your complaint is that, you've finished everything there is to do with the content, does this literally not directly apply to private server content too? Also: Asura.Rockooo said: » delve- finally something worth doing. unfortunate it still requires 3 to enter but its something dynamis d - another arbitrary 3 person restriction is a shame as id probably do it once in a while for an hour or so by myself I think this attitude is robbing you of a lot of social experiences on retail. It's a good thing private servers allow you to do all the content solo... hes trying to invalidate MY opinion on what i like by referencing a whole bunch of irrelevant content. of course you can say you dont like leveling 1-75. are you blind ive literally typed countless times now in this thread advocating for people to spend their time doing what makes them happy. ive never once argued there is more content on private servers, or that theyre better or worse than retail. all i said is its a different experience than retail countless times. they are so different that it literally makes no sense to even compare them. i like retail and i like private servers. please learn to read.
Ovalidal said: » Asura.Rockooo said: » of course id place value on content based on what i get from it... thats kind of the point. why would i do content i dont find fun or have anything to gain from?? Also: Asura.Rockooo said: » sealNMs- loads of them??? cmon man. its kclub or nothing. maybe iseals during a campain. they serve me no purpose other than chasing that kclub voidwalker- necessary step for empy. no one is doing this for fun unity nms- great until you got the items u need. i havent touched a unity nm for myself in years, but still fun to help new players with sr- idk about 10+ bis but some good stuff in there. useless content tho once u have what u need. skirmish- no longer need anything from- i dont know anyone that does it for fun. assault- absolutely useless no one does unless making a mythic. no one logs in and says let me do some assaults for nothing today Einherjar- necessary for rema. no one is doing this for fun unless they need points dynamis d- personally not a fan as regular dynamis from back in teh day burned me out. i cant commit to 1 event for so much of my day multiple times a week anymore. another arbitrary 3 person restriction is a shame as id probably do it once in a while for an hour or so by myself If your complaint is that, it's boring, you're contradicting yourself. If your complaint is that, you've finished everything there is to do with the content, does this literally not directly apply to private server content too? Also: Asura.Rockooo said: » delve- finally something worth doing. unfortunate it still requires 3 to enter but its something dynamis d - another arbitrary 3 person restriction is a shame as id probably do it once in a while for an hour or so by myself I think this attitude is robbing you of a lot of social experiences on retail. It's a good thing private servers allow you to do all the content solo... Ovalidal said: » Asura.Rockooo said: » of course id place value on content based on what i get from it... thats kind of the point. why would i do content i dont find fun or have anything to gain from?? Also: Asura.Rockooo said: » sealNMs- loads of them??? cmon man. its kclub or nothing. maybe iseals during a campain. they serve me no purpose other than chasing that kclub voidwalker- necessary step for empy. no one is doing this for fun unity nms- great until you got the items u need. i havent touched a unity nm for myself in years, but still fun to help new players with sr- idk about 10+ bis but some good stuff in there. useless content tho once u have what u need. skirmish- no longer need anything from- i dont know anyone that does it for fun. assault- absolutely useless no one does unless making a mythic. no one logs in and says let me do some assaults for nothing today Einherjar- necessary for rema. no one is doing this for fun unless they need points dynamis d- personally not a fan as regular dynamis from back in teh day burned me out. i cant commit to 1 event for so much of my day multiple times a week anymore. another arbitrary 3 person restriction is a shame as id probably do it once in a while for an hour or so by myself If your complaint is that, it's boring, you're contradicting yourself. If your complaint is that, you've finished everything there is to do with the content, does this literally not directly apply to private server content too? Also: Asura.Rockooo said: » delve- finally something worth doing. unfortunate it still requires 3 to enter but its something dynamis d - another arbitrary 3 person restriction is a shame as id probably do it once in a while for an hour or so by myself I think this attitude is robbing you of a lot of social experiences on retail. It's a good thing private servers allow you to do all the content solo... what is contradictory about finding content boring or it not having any reward? of the first 7 you listed please tell me why i would do any of that content if im not making a rema and i already have the gear from said content? there is literally no reason to do it. (not fun/no reward=good time investment????) you think me not doing delve or dynamis is is robbing me of social experience. too bad. im not gonna do something i dont enjoy doing just for the sake of being social. i have actual friends. im not desperate for attention. if i dont find something fun or engaging im not doing it period. if its fun for u, good for you. xping on private servers with humans is something thats fun to me. if you dont like it oh well, i really dont care. do what makes you happy. i dont really understand why some of you have so much trouble accepting the fact that not everyone enjoys things in the same exact way you do. Asura.Rockooo said: » please learn to read. Lol. Asura.Rockooo said: » hes trying to invalidate MY opinion on what i like by referencing a whole bunch of irrelevant content. of course you can say you dont like leveling 1-75. are you blind ive literally typed countless times now in this thread advocating for people to spend their time doing what makes them happy. ive never once argued there is more content on private servers, or that theyre better or worse than retail. all i said is its a different experience than retail countless times. they are so different that it literally makes no sense to even compare them. i like retail and i like private servers... The point I was bringing up is the double standard with which retail is often times measured. Saying that content is judged based on it's rewards and then turning around and saying that certain content isn't "fun for me" or that you've gotten all the rewards for the content isn't an argument. You also criticize me for disregarding your statements about 1-75, while you literally do the same for Maletaru. We may be talking past each other a bit. I have nothing against private servers either. While I'll likely never player on one, I've recommended Horizon to two new players after we discussed what they were looking for, as it seemed a better fit for them. But double standards in evaluating retail seems to be the norm in these conversations from my experience. Asura.Rockooo said: » of the first 7 you listed please tell me why i would do any of that content if im not making a rema and i already have the gear from said content? there is literally no reason to do it. (not fun/no reward=good time investment????) Because if you're only playing for rewards, the fun of the content is a non-issue. If you're talking about the content after getting the rewards, this equally applies to private servers. Why criticize only one for a fault they both share? Asura.Rockooo said: » you think me not doing delve or dynamis is is robbing me of social experience. No, but the refusal to do even the bare bones LFG on retail is. |
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