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By buttplug 2025-03-23 01:56:42
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By Kadokawa 2025-03-23 02:56:30
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Godfry said: »
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Say whatever you want, everyone in Asura knows those people are cheaters, also that is why no one is defending them from Asura.

Cheating and asking for public recogintion and expect no one will expose them is plain stupid.

No one could say anything regarding Xolla's group because they are well known players for years that helped the community to beat many tough fights.

This is absolutely not true. And this is coming from a guy who would absolutely bully that group on a daily basis in Asura.

I haven't come across a single person that didn't appreciate them clearing and more especially being the first ones to do it.

Nobody I know downplayed their achievement. It actually made a lot of people want to beat it. Come up with a better approach etc.

So, for you.. stop it.. get some help! Try to outshine them by showing your accomplishment otherwise you are going to look like you are just channeling your jealousness.

Look who's talking the guy who got he's account banned more than once.
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By Asura.Dexprozius 2025-03-23 03:23:46
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This thread has gone to absolute ***with the most braindead comments. Why the *** does every single thread on this forum become some moral purity test about pointing at some player and ostracize them because they "Cheat" more than another

Absolute dogshit

Instead of the entire last page yapping about trash, how about analyzing the video and discussing the exploit to lock August in his bow mode to prevent Any TP moves or Naak spawning for potentially 50-70% of his HP bar, bypassing Multiple no quarter and daybreak mechanics? Nope, I'm gonna dogpile on the other team for not posting a video other than a cropped one that doesnt show UI 'cheats' to avoid self incrimination of psychotic purists who will report at 1st chance out of pettiness and jealousy.

This is a TINY community and dwindling. If you have a stick up your *** about things play your own way and shut up about it...
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By Shichishito 2025-03-23 03:44:54
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Berserk and Warcry are just a example. I know Nature's meditation has the same icon, I could be wrong but I think mighty guard does too. There are other buffs with that ATT icon that can block or overwrite the other like SMN/Ifrits ghetto version Crimson Howl which iirc is even listed as "Warcry" in the icon bar.

It's not just the appearance either, don't know how many times that weird delay on buff canceling caused me to cancel a different buff I didn't intend to cancel.

Why the heck can you even cancel reraise in the first place?

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I guess if you get used to your pacifier it becomes difficult to imagine life without it though. Trust me, if you know how to play the game and have a brain, it's not so scary.
I'd bet the majority of XI players watch some sort of video content on the side to not lose their last bit of sanity while doing their 100++ odyssey farm. Even if your focused it's easy to miss a chat message and let's face it, if you're still playing XI in 2025 you aren't in team big brain.
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By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2025-03-23 04:00:08
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Asura.Dexprozius said: »
to avoid self incrimination of psychotic purists who will report at 1st chance out of pettiness and jealousy.

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Why the *** does every single thread on this forum become some moral purity test about pointing at some player and ostracize them because they "Cheat" more than another

I made absolutely zero comments about morality so I guess I can't answer this one but...the reason it devloved is because someone said "the first legit clear" so it turned into a conversation about what legit means. So I guess blame that guy. Or the people giving their opinions on a topic on the internet i guess.
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By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2025-03-23 05:02:50
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Shichishito said: »
I could be wrong but I think mighty guard does too.

You are wrong, mighty guard has a unique icon not shared with anything else in the game.

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There are other buffs with that ATT icon that can block or overwrite the other like SMN/Ifrits ghetto version Crimson Howl which iirc is even listed as "Warcry" in the icon bar.

Crimson Howl blocks warcry because it is warcry. It's an AOE attack buff.

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Why the heck can you even cancel reraise in the first place?

Maybe this isn't rhetorical: to get an arise, which has a lower weakness timer than reraise.

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It's not just the appearance either, don't know how many times that weird delay on buff canceling caused me to cancel a different buff I didn't intend to cancel.

This problem typically happens to me when I get a new buff or lose a buff. I suppose they could've made the cursor move with the buff, but this is also a really uncommon situation.

I think the biggest issue might be the invisible buffs that are unclickable. There's really no solution for this and it can be really frustrating. It's pretty uncommon though.
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By Bambusal 2025-03-23 05:18:43
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Regarding Xolla's blogpost (https://wonderfornia.hatenablog.com/entry/OathswornBlade), he says mostly the same as in the video. He outlines the basic strategy and goes over how the Naakuals are one level higher than the previous ones etc.

About Daybreak and No Quarter that weren't said in the video:

If August is asleep when his wings are out and No Quarter should be used, he will use it immediately after waking up.
If when No Quarter should be used August doesn't have his wings up, the ability is skipped? (with question mark in the original)
It is possible for August to use Daybreak and No Quarter back to back (verification required).
If Naakual Y is defeated while August doesn't have his wings up, the No Quarter related to X Naakual will be skipped.
If, after using No Quarter, another No Quarter should come right after, wings won't fall off. In this case, Daybreak won't be used, and he won't self-erase. There can be cases, based on time of Naakual death and sleep timer, that August might use No Quarter twice in quick succession.

There is a table with information about each boss. The columns are as follows: Name / Resistance to Geo spells / Magic Defense / Dark Resistance / Notes. (Notes: Rockfin is resistant to Frazzle and Leaden / Distract doesn't land on Gabbrath / Frazzle only lands on Teodor when Aura is up. Rayke with Ice runes is necessary to land Distract).

The overall strategy is as follows, in phases:

0) Prebuff outside and go in.

1) Use the Gravity/Marathon method to bring August's HP to 0%

2) Kill Naakuals 1-4 before he regens past 50% HP

3) Kill Naakual 5 and bring August's HP to 40%

4) Kill Naakual 6 and bring August's HP to 30%

5) Defeat Teodor

6) Defeat August


About the composition

Since they use WS with low enmity generation, holding the bosses isn't a problem.

Aside from August and Yggdreant, everyone's dark resistance is below 50%, so Rayke is required.

Since they need a way to stop the movement of August and Teodor, a RDM/BLM is required.

COR rolls + RDM Distract/Frazzle is enough for ACC and MACC (there are points when this isn't the case and the GEO must assist them).

A GEO is neccesary to boost the firepower of magic WS.

Extra Notes

Even thought they discovered the Gravity method for phase 1 early on, fighting all the Naakuals in quick succession proved to be quite difficult.

They tried to use only Sleep 2 at first and just refresh the duration while using Gravity and using inmunobreaks to keep him asleep, but the failure rate was too high. In the end, they decided that the best strategy was to use Sleep 1 and immunobreak Sleep 2.


Bonus from me: I checked the video from the perspective of the tank, paying attention to the Lion. As was pointed in Xolla's video, the RUN isn't affected by the paralyze aura until he gets enmity on the boss. He spends quite some time buffing himself right next to the boss, but the paralyze icon only appears after using Rayke.
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By Asura.Dexprozius 2025-03-23 06:07:58
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Can you link to the blogpost by chance?
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By Bambusal 2025-03-23 06:09:36
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Someone else posted it before, so I forgot to include it: https://wonderfornia.hatenablog.com/entry/OathswornBlade
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By Shiva.Thorny 2025-03-23 06:11:04
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Asura.Dexprozius said: »
how about analyzing the video and discussing the exploit to lock August in his bow mode to prevent Any TP moves or Naak spawning for potentially 50-70% of his HP bar,

There's not a whole lot to analyze. He follows his bow attack with a different special auto-attack that requires the tank be within a certain distance. Tank uses the time during which he pulls his bow out to get outside that distance, then stays outside that distance(20'?) so he can't use the following attack.
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By Dodik 2025-03-23 06:11:47
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OOT (lol), but what does "hatenablog" in "hatenablog.com" mean?
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By Kaffy 2025-03-23 06:21:03
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"Hatena" (はてな) in Japanese roughly translates to "question" or "question mark,"
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By Bambusal 2025-03-23 06:22:03
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Dodik said: »
OOT (lol), but what does "hatenablog" in "hatenablog.com" mean?
"Hatena" means "Question mark" in Japanese, although it could also be a name. There is a company in Japan with that name, I believe an ISP?
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By Asura.Eiryl 2025-03-23 06:39:00
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Shiva.Thorny said: »
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how about analyzing the video and discussing the exploit to lock August in his bow mode to prevent Any TP moves or Naak spawning for potentially 50-70% of his HP bar,

There's not a whole lot to analyze. He follows his bow attack with a different special auto-attack that requires the tank be within a certain distance. Tank uses the time during which he pulls his bow out to get outside that distance, then stays outside that distance(20'?) so he can't use the following attack.

There must be something more to it, or shiraj is dumb/blind/something.

If melee is forced after a bow, just by default then he lied about not being able to kite it. He should've figured that out immediately.
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By Shiva.Thorny 2025-03-23 07:07:55
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Xolla didn't say anything else and they don't seem to have done anything special in the video. Xolla also said in his blog post that he discovered that strategy early on(google translate, sorry):
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I discovered early on that I could whittle down August with the Gravity Marathon, but
In this situation, I was struggling to keep August and defeat Qizhiko quickly and in succession.

At the least, it probably requires stacking enough gravity to nearly immobilize august and staying at max distance. I would think that's a basic part of any attempt to avoid TP while kiting and doesn't need to be spelled out, though.

Bambusal's translated post also described fixing it after they mess up:
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If they fail, August will either use magic or Null Field. If this happens, let him use magic and create distance again while he has his bow out.

If it's worth trying to get him back in that state and there's not any step other than getting to range while the bow is out, doesn't seem like there's anything else to it.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2025-03-23 07:19:39
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I'd need to know the exact size of the battlefield.

At the very start they do it; Bow, run to 20+ but at the flat edge of the arena August has to be in the exact middle to stay 20.1 away

August is too far to the side and close enough to use nullfield if not dead center. Only a yalm or two wiggleroom from center to flat edge.
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By Shiva.Thorny 2025-03-23 07:21:20
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It's definitely reasonably tight. But, it still should've been apparent to any kiting attempt that used gravity+geo-gravity that he wasn't using moves when they were outside 20'.

It might have been less apparent with only one source of gravity because his movement speed is very high to start and displayed distance is subject to latency. If using geo-gravity, you kind of have to keep him somewhat centered to stay on the bubble anyway.
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By Bambusal 2025-03-23 07:26:32
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Shiva.Thorny said: »
Xolla didn't say anything else and they don't seem to have done anything special in the video. Xolla also said in his blog post that he discovered that strategy early on(google translate, sorry):
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I discovered early on that I could whittle down August with the Gravity Marathon, but
In this situation, I was struggling to keep August and defeat Qizhiko quickly and in succession.

At the least, it probably requires stacking enough gravity to nearly immobilize august and staying at max distance. I would think that's a basic part of any attempt to avoid TP while kiting and doesn't need to be spelled out, though.

Bambusal's translated post also described fixing it after they mess up:
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If they fail, August will either use magic or Null Field. If this happens, let him use magic and create distance again while he has his bow out.

If it's worth trying to get him back in that state and there's not any step other than getting to range while the bow is out, doesn't seem like there's anything else to it.

I want to clarify the method better because I translated this part too broadly. The literal translation is the following:

"In case of failing, get close to August and let him cast magic. At the same time he is in the middle of the bow motion, create distance."

He uses the expression 弓のモーション, which means the literal motion of August when he attacks with the bow.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2025-03-23 11:23:58
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Unrelated to actual thread, so spoilering
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By Shichishito 2025-03-23 11:42:53
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Carbuncle.Maletaru said: »
Maybe this isn't rhetorical: to get an arise, which has a lower weakness timer than reraise.
And the solution isn't making arise overwrite the weaker reraise?

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Crimson Howl blocks warcry because it is warcry. It's an AOE attack buff.
It doesn't get the TP bonus like the one from WAR main gets so it should be destinguishable from the WAR main version. It shouldn't overwrite or block a higher potency buff either.

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It's pretty uncommon though.
It's still infuriating every time it happens.

It's even more infuriating if it happens during inventory management.
Probably responsible for the majority of accidentally dropped REMA, in particular pre recycle bin update.


Has anyone else attempted with 3 CORs befor? Maybe Augusts weird behaviour is linked to jobs present?

If thornys "not in range for bow attack" theory is correct it should also be veriffiable in sinister reign (saves the potpourri for testing)?
Could be wrong again but I think the arena should be big enough if you lure him to one end of the circle.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2025-03-23 12:01:16
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Sorry for the derail discussion.
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By Shiva.Thorny 2025-03-23 12:09:05
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https://streamable.com/9to0jx

Process:
-Enter BC (RUN/DRK, RDM/WHM, GEO/RDM)
-Pull August to far end of arena
-Cast bolster geo-gravity with widened compass (i set it between august and center to get the most range)
-Stymie gravity II
-Run straight to other side as soon as he starts a bow attack

Even once he leaves the indi-gravity bubble, he's very slow and doesn't get back in range (but it's obviously necessary to keep him close enough to melee when doing the circle strategy).

None of this is surprising; it's not an exploit, it's literally how every monster in the game works. You need to be within a certain range for them to ready their moves. The bow isn't relevant beyond it being a good opportunity to make distance without pulling him too far from center.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2025-03-23 12:29:10
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Seems as if they had even pretended to attempt kiting, they'd have found it instead of saying "impossible! nullfield!!"
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By Shiva.Thorny 2025-03-23 12:32:21
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If they did try kiting, they definitely didn't make any attempt to optimize their route or use geo debuffs. The claim that he 'teleports' to use null field is probably just an animation thing like jump.
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By Asura.Shiraj 2025-03-23 18:33:40
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Shiva.Thorny said: »
None of this is surprising; it's not an exploit, it's literally how every monster in the game works. You need to be within a certain range for them to ready their moves. The bow isn't relevant beyond it being a good opportunity to make distance without pulling him too far from center.
I recently did 2 tests, one where I outranged him during the bow animation, and one where I outranged him during a non-bow Animation.

For these pulls we used Bolster Geo-Gravity + Saboteur ES Gravity 2 to make August -98% movement speed.

Here is a screenshot of him using Null field on the non-bow animation pull.


On another pull I outranged him during the bow animation and he was unable to use any spells, any TP moves, no Null field for 5 minutes, or until Gravity wore off basically replicating Xolla's video.

So the bow animation seems to be more than just an "opportunity" to distance yourself from August. Even if you distance yourself during other animations the end result is different and he does not get locked into an auto attack mode and can still use TP moves and spells willingly. So there seems to be something unique about the bow animation that allows for this method to be utilised, which is unique to this specific mob.

The reason any TP moves or spells being disabled(being locked into auto attack mode) is so important to this method being the success or not is because:
1. August can recast Shell, removing with RDM dispel will be a dps loss (They are part of the dps push with Sanguine in the start).
2. Initial push requires you to take August from 100% to 1% before Gravity wears off.
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By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2025-03-23 19:37:08
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Sure, let's put this stuff in spoilers. Shichishito:

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Was the ranged lock discovered by accident or is there something that indicates you have to kite now?
If no chat messages or something about the animation hints at it I'd say it's either bad game design or a bug/exploit?
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By Asura.Eiryl 2025-03-23 21:51:48
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The flaw is that he should be immune to gravity and then none of the other parts matter.

But as he is not, that's just how it works. Too far to cast. Too far to melee. Too far to call the nakuuls. Completely pacified.
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It seems only if the last action August takes on the tank before out-ranging him is the bow auto attack. The theory is if you gravity him, and the tank then out-ranges him right after any non-bow attack, the bug will not be replicated. He will still be able to use his TP moves that have >20' range (which is limited to Null Field, which has a massive range, 28~30'), where he will port to the tank then back. This is how it should work - even if you gravity a mob and the target out-ranges it, if the target is still in range of spells and/or longer-ranged TP moves, the mob is still able to take those actions. Shiraj's SS shows an image of August using Null Field at 27', after out-ranging him following a non-bow attack (no latency at play; he was gravity'd).

Conversely, if the last attack on the tank before out-ranging was specifically the bow auto, he becomes unable to use Null Field despite having TP and the tank being in range of Null Field. He instead seems to get stuck in a loop of attempting a melee auto, and is incapable of taking any other action until he gets off that melee auto, meaning he's also incapable of summoning adds. If you don't bug him in this way, he will summon adds starting at 90%, making the zerg impossible. Preventing adds from being summoned is not just a matter of having the tank stay X yalms away at all times via gravity kiting. You need to trigger the bug.

From our few attempts, it seems to be a bit finicky to replicate - a bow auto attack as the last action on the tank before out-ranging doesn't guarantee the bug to work. In their clear video, Xolla's group failed to bug him once, they noticed he was still able to use Null Field, so they took a 2nd swing at triggering the bug and it worked on the subsequent attempt. Timestamps (from Xolla's POV) of them doing this:

Bug attempt 1:
  • 0:56: August uses a bow auto, and the tank then runs out of range. Everyone engages and begins feeding him TP.
    1:11: August uses Null Field, indicating to them that he hadn't bugged, so they turn/disengage and take a 2nd swing at it.


Bug attempt 2:
  • 1:30: the tank runs back in range to bait another bow auto, then runs out of range for a 2nd time. This time it worked, so from this point forward, no Null Fields get used, and no adds get summoned.

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