New Games Suck... Or Is It Just Me?

Dafuq you talkin bout. "It's crazy to outsource your work to cheaper labor"

The thing all humans have done since the dawn of time.

They may be more racist and nationalist than other nations but to deny profit is the evilest sin imaginable.

Japanese doesn't own those foreign factories, they only commission foreign manufacturers to make things for them because Japanese excels at making something else, not Switch.

That's how manufacturing industry works in a nutshell.

Lives under a rock, underneath a basement.

The people who get paid to work in China to assemble Nintendo Switch 2 consoles work 6 days a week, around 10 hours a day and get paid a monthly wage of around $350-600 USD. They had to put bouncy nets up, to stop people jumping to their doom!

At least they have as much fun on the nets as we do playing our ninty games!

Imagine the horror of someone on bluesky if one single black person moved to china....and got a job there...oh nyooo!

Pass.

It's not even cheaper labour in this case, cuz Japanese salary isn't high in the same region begin with.

Every components in switch is outsourced to a manufacturer that excels at making one particular thing. Things like processor, DRAM, ROM, USB type C, OLED, fans etc. they are all made by different manufacturers because different manufacturers excels at different components. The company that excels at making OLED doesn't make DRAM.

Therefore every part has to be commissioned to different company individually because no one can make the entire switch from scratch.

Japanese is pretty good at making cars, but they don't make most switch components listed above, or at least they don't excel in this field. That's why it's commissioned to foreign manufacturers who is good at making those things. This is not salary problem.

They are "better at it" because they cost less to train and are willing to do it for a nickle.

And by "willing" I mean under threat of death, starvation or torture.

Oh, and "better at" small components because they're 5 year olds with small hands and fresh eyes.

You are either trolling, or you don't know how hardware manufacturing industry works lol.

Its exactly the same everywhere.

We have mexicans do all the grinding in metal fab facilities because they're "better at it"

Aka; they do it for 7.25 instead of 25.25, and "have more experience" because it's all we let them do and never do it ourselves.

"they're just better at it lol"

Manuel over there working the grinder for 57 years, "wonder why he's better at it"

Samsung make DRAM and OLED...

Nah, even if every region has the same labour cost on manufacturing, it's impossible for one single region to handle all the production need.

Like I said, Japanese hardware engineer salary isn't higher. It's not that they don't produce switch components because their salary is higher, but because they choose produce something else instead.

That's why different countries trade with each other. One country produce A, another one produce B, then they trade with each other if they need different products. Even if both country has identical salary, it's still going to be a common phenomenon to split production and trade like this.

Sorry, I should have been more specific. Switch 1 OLED is OLED, switch 2 is LCD.

Afaik Samsung does make DRAM for switch, but Nintendo's partner for screen display is known to be Innolux since 2020. It was sharp/JDI before that.

Those supply chain companies are super secretive on who their clients are btw, so I am not 100% sure, but that's what the industry rumor said. I haven't heard anything about Samsung making screen display for switch, just DRAM.

Samsung is known to make everything, but they don't excel at everything. They lose in many areas.

A company that only focus on making OLED but don't make DRAM is going to be better than a company like Samsung that makes OLED and everything else. That's why Samsung isn't getting all the clients in the entire OLED industry, and Nintendo would rather give screen display orders to someone else not Samsung.

Edit: just double checked, it seems that Samsung has shutdown LCD production in 2022, now they also outsource their LCD products. So I am fairly sure they didn't make LCD for switch 2.

Samsung Display decided to shut down its LCD production in June 2022, focusing instead on OLED and QD displays, due to falling LCD prices and increased competition from Chinese and Taiwanese rivals.

"They just do it better, it's not cheaper or anything"

You know that when it comes to engineer Salary, Japan/Korea/Taiwan is roughly about the same?

(Technically, it's Korea > Taiwan > Japan, but the gap isn't as huge as mexico and the US.)



Not the labour cost no. Japan's GDP and salary is a bit lower than Taiwan and Korea atm. And yet their Sharp didn't win the screen display race in this industry, Sharp also shut down screen display production because they lost in undercut war. How come Japan didn't get an advantage with lower salary?

Right now screen display industry marker share is OLED: 50% China 50% Korea, LCD: 70% China. So Korea beats Taiwan and Japan both on OLED battlefield with roughly equal or higher salary? You are simplifying the whole issue by saying labour cost is everything.

Afaik, China screen display industry has an advantage on government subsidies, that's why they are beating everyone else in this industry. Even Samsung is slowly losing to them on the OLED battlefield. You can't ignore the effect of government subsidies when they undercut. It's not just labour cost.

(Inb4 Eiryl said: yeah, I said the price, government subsidies affects the price. You said something different about labour cost.)

The modern world is so hilariously funny.

Years ago these games were aimed squarely at children, now they are aimed at 30-40 year olds. Dawned on my while watching the nintendo videos, these really childish looking games and it's all hipsters with weird hair sperging over them.

Guess this applies to everything though, including toys and lego.

Games have been aimed at different demographics since their inception. I played plenty of adult games on my original NES and Super NES. Wolfenstein 3D, anyone?

The funny thing about slave labor is they're not included in statistics. So the millions of children building products getting paid in food, we all pretend don't exist.

Nintendo still tries to constantly appeal to kids, just look at how badly they dumbed down most of Pokemon. I don't understand the reasoning behind it, its all adults buying games these days for the most part. Most kids are just bopping onto the freebie games. I gave all my niece/nephews gift cards and they spent it on "Roblox"... I barely see kids playing games like most of us do.

I may be out of touch so someone can fill me in, just does not seem like kids are into it like we all were. A lot of companies are already catering/advertising to adults and changing their marketing strategies. It seems more logical to me to appeal to adults like millennials who grew up with this stuff, not kids that are on dinky phone games.

Nintendo games aren't "kids games", they are all age games.

Majority of Nintendo game players are adults. They just like Nintendo games, that's all.

Mario kart 8 sold 67 millions, that's a lot of copies sold. It's one of the best selling game of all time. This market is quite huge.

Kids these days just play Minecraft, Roblox, Fortnite.
Source: Have kids and they have lots of friends, large sample size.

I didn't say child slaves don't exist in this world. I only said for a lot of industry, it isn't all about that.

There is a drastic difference between manufacturing t-shirt and manufacturing computer processors, cars and airplanes.

The only nominal difference is 2 year olds make the clothes and the 6 year olds make the electronics.

It's amazing how Albania knows a lot about a lot of things. Too bad it's all wrong and backwards...

First content update for Monster Hunter this last week. Added two monsters who carted the ***out of us all night plus the gathering hub. Guess we are going to spend a lot of time farming armor spheres...

If you have a more correct information on switch 2 supply chains than my info, I'll be happy to read them. Even if you wrote a 1000 page market report for it Id read them too. Would you, though?

I love how Marvel Rivals is directly aiming their game at men, while all the other western games are desperately trying to aim their games at women by dumbing down the gameplay, making the environment softer so there is no banter and making all the characters look like crap.

Marvel Rivals adding sexy new characters, male power fantasy options, outfits and actual competitive difficult gameplay. All the logical things you would do if your game is aimed at young men.



Men are naturally inclined to like these kinds of competetive and shallow games in ways women have no interest in, so while these western companies are desperately trying to grow the audience to women (who will never be heavily interested in them) China is taking their core audience away from them.

Utter dunces in charge in the west.

I wonder why men are so fixated with competitive games where you do the same thing over and over again, where the only real appeal is directly competing with other men to create a kind of mental hierarchy among themselves. I wonder if there could be some primal/evolutionary reason this is so popular among men and not popular with women?!

Surely it's just the character designs that are the reason these games are so unpopular with women, keep rocking those ugly fatties and making the game dumber and dumber western devs!

Stupid arrogant LGTV woke college people and absolute nutjobs like Lindsey Graham think that they are so amazing that they can social-engineer intrinsic aspect of biology.

Some markets, like the market for men, exist because people look at men biological trait and appeal to it. So when you introduce ugly and tasteless characters to everything, men will just not get along because that don't appeal to them. It's really that simple. Now, imagine creating fantasy that uglier than reality?

I have no problem with getting cozy with any of them