Fenrir.Richybear said: »
Imagine waiting 1h 58m into a credits scene to be like "Wait wait wait, here's where my name is!!" just to see they typo'd it or some ***. lol
New Games Suck... Or Is It Just Me?
New games suck... or is it just me?
How many OSTI TABARNAK's would that be?
Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
TWO BUMBOKLAAT HOURS OF CREDITS IS YA CRAZY
Most modern day movies arent even two hours long.
Thats bloat. Thats too many cooks in the kitchen. And the game is still a sloppy buggy mess.
You know what's more funny than bloat? Somebody copy and pasted the dev tool terms of service to the credit to prolong it further. Check 1:44:00.
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Shiva.Thorny said: »
I'll take Chinese-owned games made for gamers over American-owned games made for activists any day.
I suspect they were having a liquidity crisis and needed a cash infusion. Exchanging that for a 25% stake in a "new" venture that just happens to contain the valuable IP smells like something done so the investor feels comfortable with a future return.
Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
chinese devs are putting out stuff the people want”.
I think we have different opinion on what "Chinese game" means...
To me, Chinese game means countless same-y live service games, gacha, mobile games, mmo re-skins released in the past 20 years, that mostly play the same and look the same, that comes with fake advertising on Facebook.
To you and maybe Radial, Chinese game probably means Wukong.
They definitely don't always make stuff people want, if you look at the industry as a whole, and not just 1 or 2 titles like Wukong.
Afania said: »
I think we have different opinion on what "Chinese game" means...
To me, Chinese game means countless same-y live service games, gacha, mobile games, mmo re-skins released in the past 20 years, that mostly play the same and look the same, that comes with fake advertising on Facebook.
To me, Chinese game means countless same-y live service games, gacha, mobile games, mmo re-skins released in the past 20 years, that mostly play the same and look the same, that comes with fake advertising on Facebook.
Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
Afania said: »
I think we have different opinion on what "Chinese game" means...
To me, Chinese game means countless same-y live service games, gacha, mobile games, mmo re-skins released in the past 20 years, that mostly play the same and look the same, that comes with fake advertising on Facebook.
To me, Chinese game means countless same-y live service games, gacha, mobile games, mmo re-skins released in the past 20 years, that mostly play the same and look the same, that comes with fake advertising on Facebook.
You don't need to avoid this thread to immediately associate "Chinese games" with re-skin gachas. You just need to pay attention to what they have released in the past. Then you'll automatic associate "Chinese game" with "copy and paste gachas", because there are way too many of them.
Chinese games = gacha is literally the consensus in every gaming community that I've been to. You are the one that's weird if you didn't recognize this common sense and try to tell me Chinese dev makes amazing games, lol.
No thanks, I don't buy it.
With Wukong China have changed the public perception of their games industry, not only are they able to make technically amazing games now but they have become very creative.
For me, if I see a game is made in China I'm already interested. If I see a game is made in the west, I'm already have way out the door cause I'm so burned out with the boring, preachy crap.
For me, if I see a game is made in China I'm already interested. If I see a game is made in the west, I'm already have way out the door cause I'm so burned out with the boring, preachy crap.
RadialArcana said: »
but they have become very creative.
Wukong is creative? Come on man. It's the same theme that's being used over and over in China and Japan. Even Dragon ball is journey to the west. And plenty of other video games and anime too. It has come to the point that whenever I see journey to the west, I immediately avoid it. Because it's just TOO common.
I'm not gonna stop you from liking it, but I find it utterly uninteresting, personally. The theme, and the gameplay. How many stamina bar arpg with bonfire mechanics exist in the market already?
Almost every Chinese game that has made it to market is a straight rip off of another game/series. Even Genshin Impact, their most successful game, clearly rips off BOTW.
The same can be said for pretty much every other modern game. But thank you for that absolutely meaningless comment.
Viciouss said: »
Almost every Chinese game that has made it to market is a straight rip off of another game/series. Even Genshin Impact, their most successful game, clearly rips off BOTW.
Genshin impact was better then BOTW, but TOTK is better then Genshin Impact.
can careless about ripoffs and more about good games to play
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Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
The same can be said for pretty much every other modern game. But thank you for that absolutely meaningless comment.
Lol, nice try, but no. China doesn't have to follow copyright laws, so they don't. They can openly copy and paste anything they want and face no consequences. It's not like their citizens have voices. They aren't making games for gamers, they are making games for the Communist Party. When one of them fails they just throw it in the trash can and move on.
Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
The same can be said for pretty much every other modern game. But thank you for that absolutely meaningless comment.
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Are you saying religion is a game?
Hold F to pray
Hold F to pray
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Viciouss said: »
Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
The same can be said for pretty much every other modern game. But thank you for that absolutely meaningless comment.
Lol, nice try, but no. China doesn't have to follow copyright laws, so they don't. They can openly copy and paste anything they want and face no consequences. It's not like their citizens have voices. They aren't making games for gamers, they are making games for the Communist Party. When one of them fails they just throw it in the trash can and move on.
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Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
Viciouss said: »
Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
The same can be said for pretty much every other modern game. But thank you for that absolutely meaningless comment.
Lol, nice try, but no. China doesn't have to follow copyright laws, so they don't. They can openly copy and paste anything they want and face no consequences. It's not like their citizens have voices. They aren't making games for gamers, they are making games for the Communist Party. When one of them fails they just throw it in the trash can and move on.
This is part of a post written by the CEO of Game Science
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackMythWukong/comments/1he1ccq/game_science_ceo_feng_ji_just_posted_a_blog_10/
Quote:
Some people say it’s a rare fluke for a team with no experience in single-player games to achieve such results with their first attempt—and that it’s unlikely to be replicated in the future.
I’d say this is no fluke. It’s the inevitable result of Chinese culture, Chinese talent, China’s business environment, and China’s game industry colliding with global players.
If we hadn’t seen this “inevitability” early on, we wouldn’t have been so determined in making this choice. It wasn’t a gamble—it was acting in harmony with the times.
Game Science is fortunate to have participated in and witnessed the beginning of this “trend.” I believe more peers will bring even better, more interesting, and more confident Chinese stories to the world in the future.
I’d say this is no fluke. It’s the inevitable result of Chinese culture, Chinese talent, China’s business environment, and China’s game industry colliding with global players.
If we hadn’t seen this “inevitability” early on, we wouldn’t have been so determined in making this choice. It wasn’t a gamble—it was acting in harmony with the times.
Game Science is fortunate to have participated in and witnessed the beginning of this “trend.” I believe more peers will bring even better, more interesting, and more confident Chinese stories to the world in the future.
I wouldn't say he made Wukong for the communist party not gamers, but he definitely made the game to strengthen the national pride and national influence in the world. Otherwise he wouldn't talk this way.
It's also THE official CCP ideology that Chinese as a race should "rejuvenate". Which means what the CEO said and made was in line with the official CCP ideology.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_rejuvenation_of_the_Chinese_nation
As for the copy right law issue, just Google them. There are plenty of cases.
The statement that you quoted is a little exaggerated, but not completely baseless.
Viciouss said: »
Almost every Chinese game that has made it to market is a straight rip off of another game/series. Even Genshin Impact, their most successful game, clearly rips off BOTW.
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lol citing Wikipedia to try to debunk Viciouss's conspiracy theory.
Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
lol citing Wikipedia to try to debunk Viciouss's conspiracy theory.
If you don't believe in wikipedia, I can link another source:
National ethics affairs commission of the People's republic of China, basically a government office.
https://www.neac.gov.cn/seac/c103372/202201/1156514.shtml
Quote:
Achieving Rejuvenation Is the Dream of the Chinese People
Quote:
In the future, the Chinese nation will "forge ahead like a gigantic ship breaking through strong winds and heavy waves.
Quote:
greatest dream of the Chinese people since the advent of modern times. This dream embodies the long-cherished hope of several generations of the Chinese people, gives expression to the overall interests of the Chinese nation and the Chinese people, and represents the shared aspiration of all the sons and daughters of the Chinese nation.
I mean, those religion-like ideology is being cited and phrased over and over again in the past. You don't even need to visit wiki to hear at least one people saying the exact same thing.
Just go read what was written in that article, have a good laugh, and accept the fact that some people in the other part of the world legitimately act that way.
Oh, wait, there is the penalty for trying to impersonate Dracula.
So
Nynja 0.000001 x 0 Alfania.
So
Nynja 0.000001 x 0 Alfania.
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Afania said: »
I wouldn't say he made Wukong for the communist party not gamers, but he definitely made the game to strengthen the national pride and national influence in the world. Otherwise he wouldn't talk this way.
I don't think this is true. He made a successful game, then he associated his success with his worldview. Everyone tries to tie events to their worldview; it's no different from someone anti-woke who sees Veilguard fail and blames the woke aspect.
It is entirely possible he's right (like the people trashing Veilguard) and the game succeeded because of Chinese excellence. If that's the case, Chinese excellence led him to design a game that would be received well.
Shiva.Thorny said: »
Afania said: »
I wouldn't say he made Wukong for the communist party not gamers, but he definitely made the game to strengthen the national pride and national influence in the world. Otherwise he wouldn't talk this way.
I don't think this is true. He made a successful game, then he associated his success with his worldview. Everyone tries to tie events to their worldview; it's no different from someone anti-woke who sees Veilguard fail and blames the woke aspect.
It is entirely possible he's right (like the people trashing Veilguard) and the game succeeded because of Chinese excellence. If that's the case, Chinese excellence led him to design a game that would be received well.
What I meant is that he is a believer of Chinese dream ideology, worked hard to voice his own ideology, and vast majority of Chinese gamers also believe in the same ideology. Hence they supported Wukong (and got mad when westerners don't recognize them by giving them GoTY).
In this case, you can say Wukong was successful because the ideology behind it is in line with Chinese gamer's. Hence he made the game for Chinese gamers.
But it's still fact that his ideology is also in line with CCP's ideology. Whether that's intentional or not is unknown.
I think it's at least correct to say he made the game for his nation and his people. His speech literally revealed his own ideology.
Bruh
Wukong is a game based on chinese mythology
Theres no monkeyman flying on clouds
Wukong is a game based on chinese mythology
Theres no monkeyman flying on clouds
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Afania said: »
Wukong is creative?
Yes, China used to just copy everything the west made. Now the west makes trash, so they have taken the lead and are making their own things.
The west have lost their creativity (since we have abandoned merit) and just assembly line everything and make remakes constantly, China are taking the lead on not only creativity but also technical excellence.
Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
Viciouss's conspiracy theory
He is just a troll, and always has been. He instantly will take the opposite position to anything you say, even if he does not agree with his position himself. He will say a star wars tv show sucks and if you agree he will defend it lmao I don't even get mad at him anymore, he is just silly.
RadialArcana said: »
so they have taken the lead and are making their own things.
Make their own things sure, taken the lead? That's a bold statement.
They take the lead in terms of population, that's about it.
If every Chinese buy Chinese game, and every north American + European by a western game, this Chinese game would still sell more than the western game only because China has more population than NA+EU combined.
Nevermind the fact that Chinese are far more likely to support their own games than westerners due to Chinese nationalism.
That doesn't mean their work is "better" or more "creative", they only win sales because higher number of population and stronger nationalism.
I still play far, far more western games than Chinese games personally. I am playing Fallout classic collection atm, Balatro is the next game on my backlog, 60% of games on my backlog are western games, 35% are Japanese, less than 5% are from the other part of the world. Wukong nor other Chinese gachas don't even enter my backlog lol. I generally find Chinese game/film theme and story uninteresting.
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