Horizon Strikes Again

In a sense, you dont see reality.

You only perceive it.

What a spot on self diagnosis.

It's really not worth their costs to hire people to babysit us. Bans were never going to be a deterrent anyway. Sub is cheap, box is cheap and almost the entire process of building up again can be automated.


They were probably confused reading all of our feedback over the years about how amazing this community is. They probably figured we'd want to retain that and self-police. Nah, we join em if we can't beat em.

I'm only here for Negan's takes tbh

because horizon is a joke

Eh... I think it's been a lot of fun. 99% of the players don't care about the inner workings/internal issues/external drama sitting, most are just enjoying their time.

Its very likely you imagine most of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INpWNP5HPNQ

Put one of them in here and they won't know what half the ***in 11 means either. I don't remember much of what he talks about, I had forgotten about the weight system but it sounds like that won't be in there anyway. Sounds like they removed the corpse system, which is great also. I died once in a deep dungeon with 0 chance of retrieval and you had a stat deficiency for a long time (72hrs iirc), it was dumb. People would form parties to retrieve the corpses but sometimes it just wouldn't happen.

There's always a learning period, but I don't recall the mechanics being as deep as 11. There is also no gear swapping and most of the time you earn some gear, then wear that for the level you are at until you level up again, then it's all worthless and you go to the next tier. When the game released, they had these legendary weapons you could get at lvl50 for each class by doing some PITA quest, but they were immediately worthless the moment you hit lvl60. IIRC there is more large group content in the form of raids and such but idk how that will adapt to the lower player count now than when I played at release. The community was a lot more casual than 11, there were no points systems or mandatory attendance or anything like that, guilds (the equiv of linkshells) were much better laid out and had features like banks and guild halls, they had a website at one point for guilds as well. I remember telling my guild about points systems in dyna and the general consensus being that was ridiculous, so you won't get that kindof attitude (at least I didn't) there and the game supports the guild feature much better than 11 did. That said some people took the roleplaying thing a bit far and I got yelled at several times for being a paladin grouping with the equiv of a DRK since we were opposing alignments.

It had some good, some bad, but it overall didn't have the staying power 11 did with me. The job system is more bland and JAs aren't as impactful feeling, no WS/SCs, and so on. OTOH though they seem to be getting active development and even the non-classic server is still getting expansions despite only being a few years newer that 11, so at least they haven't pulled a SE with the dev team. It's a weird transition from 11 and you won't recognize 99% of the mechanics but i don't recall any of it being too difficult to figure out. TBH hearing about this makes me want to revisit it in May when the beta opens.

At one point SoEs answer to RMT (they used a different acronym but same idea) was to banish players caught to one of two servers. They set up a SoE auction house people could buy items in the game, but only on those two servers. Think the RMAH in D3 at release but only for two of the EQ2 servers. It was a huge flop and no one willingly transferred to either of them, but RMT remained a problem in the game the same way it has here, at least for the few years I played it.

I miss SOE tbh.

It's more than $15 a month now given all the mog wardrobes tbh.

Albeit, I do agree given this is what I am seeing too. Friends that want to play XI, but cannot afford it are going to Horizon. Others can't justify paying SE given the lack of new content (when compared to other sub-based games like WoW).


Nah, this never happens.

Ah the ol' "I have no data to support me saying Horizon is for people who can't afford retail" excuse. If anything, just the advent of Classic WoW becoming official servers and bringing in new subs disapproves this.

And .. once again. I don't know why people get so worked about who plays what. I get that some of you have 15 REMAs but does that make you feel you have the authority to say things, or do you feel obligated to crap on them to justify the invests in retail? Like damn, I see more retail players complaining and going for the throat then a random PS player. Just play the version you want to play and get on with your day.

Just say that my guy. Its believable.

I think you're lost and in the wrong area my guy.

Theres no shame in playing on Poorizon.

Sounds like you just hate poor people tbh. I guess you didn’t get a rebate cheque….

I didnt, but neither did you, because they get sent out April 22nd.

there's no proof whatsoever that people are only playing horizon because it's free.

it's just extreme copium from the retail crew. once you accept that 99% of the ***the retail crew posts is extreme copium you can ignore a lot of the posters on this forum

Ok so if Horizon started charging the same price as retail there isnt going to be a massive drop in players?

Who the *** is still living in 2006? I played retail from 2003-2010 and had a blast, it was some of the most fun times ever, but it was 2003-2010 and we didn't know any better. The game was absolute DOG ***in the 75 era. Fun as it was to us, fun as it felt to earn ***, it was horribly designed, full of imbalanced jobs that were borderline UNPLAYABLE and a level of struggle that can only be described as the purest form of masochism on behalf of its players.

I tried going back to 75-era around 2020, though not on Horizon, specifically, for about a month before I got bored out of my *** mind. It wasn't even the *** "real like" Horizon ***, they added HP crystals and survival guides while keeping the rest like then-retail to alleviate some of the issues with the 75-era and it still sucked.

One of the main things that made the game fun is the fact that we ALL, every single one of us, just sucked complete *** and struggled through the game together in "hard" fights. People going back now with their knowledge and understanding of not just FFXI, but games in general, are *** crushing all of that content. So now the struggle is all in spending 10 hours traveling to a zone to get into an EXP party that will disband 10mins after you arrive, which ALWAYS *** sucked, even back then.

If you like it, then enjoy suffering or whatever, but in what world is anyone playing retail coping over not playing the shitty free alpha version 0.1.24 that the owner keeps *** with and making horrible changes to on top of not coding the *** thing properly to begin with? Just proclaiming the other side is coping doesn't actually cover up and deflect your own cope. I assume your avatar is ironic.

Also, much like the country itself, all Canadians suck. That is all.

Well there would, it would be zero, because SE has to protect their IP if they start charging a subscription fee.

nynja is right, SE would likely be forced to action in this scenario, which also adds to making it hard to prove one way or another.

above poster is correct in saying that wow classic is over half of wow's current subs according to recently released numbers.

OSRS is another example where the classic population dwarfs the current version of the game.

both of these are paid models, i don't think FFXI would be that different. it's not possible to prove one way or another until the scenario plays itself out but there's no evidence to say that people are playing horizon because its free and not because they enjoy that era of the game

My bad I assumed people would see this in a vacuum with no repercussions from SE.

Obviously if they started charging SE would jump in all guns blazing.

Yup. This is what I was trying to say. When the classic community got official, the so called people who play PSs because they’re poor/don’t want to pay, subbed back to play Classic. It proves that if given the opportunity officially that they would sub again because they’re version of the game they enjoy is official. Which, is what alot of people would like. Personally I would love to do 75 era with some changes which is why I like Horizon. But I also play retail

Except, there are many version of what people call "75 era" and which one should SE do?
Correct people: "WoTG, it was the last true 75 era"
ToAU stans: "no WoTG sucked all that time waiting for that crap expansion, ToAU is where it was at it's peak"
CoP stans: "no no no anything after CoP was when the game fell off"

(I would like to tribute this fanfic to GHN, I know he loves to read them)

you poll a dozen people and you will get a dozen answers.
So many changes SE made where going to "kill the game" and it was declared dead by people at every god damn turn, why would those people settle for the ***they said was the end of the game?

bro trusts cant even tank 1 savage blade from RDM these guys are wearing ILVL +2/3 Gear and dont swap

but they have every new addon to exist in 75 ERA LoL.
Remamber when you had to get KEYS TO GET MAPS

That we have to put up with constant private server posts in a private server sub forum on a forum built around retail FFXI is disgusting, the entire website only still exists because it offers auction house functionality.

This is worse than P&R.

I have no idea what you're saying here.

My point was that trust magic doesn't steer people away from groups and into solo play. It exists mostly for the times where you can't find someone else for mostly trivial content like leveling and farming.

really don't think this is that complicated to solve and you must not have looked at any of the others(wow, osrs, EQ) before spouting that this is the main issue

Well, I’m just saying what I wouldn’t mind. But otherwise it’s the age old question that every MMO has, specifically the ones that provide a classic era experience have to figure out.

“Wrath was best” “TBC was peak” “Nothing past 1.2.1”

“RS 2005 was best” “Anything before EOC” “2009scape”(yes I know how current Osrs came into existence)