OK so went back in just now. Nothing earth shattering sadly but..
1) What Saevel said about Botulus was right. The only condition that matters is 50% non-spell from the back. We stuck one alt 30+ yalms away and had it do nothing. So those two were eliminated. Once I dropped it to like 40%, i came around to it's front and killed it with darkness SC. Box appeared. So that's pretty much isolated.
2) Id never done flower but AEdged her down to 44 using trash mob, then killed her normally. Box appeared as expected. Again, not much newsworthy about that I just wanted to see it lol.
3) Ixion... I tried to do nothing but light SCs on it like last stand savage etc from behind and then again in front. Also tried throwing light SCs from the front with GEO doing fire bursts from the front. Nothing worked of course but kinda out of ideas.
I feel like theres a strong chance its some kind of 50% dmg threshold. The other three all are. Naraka and flower have an inverse relationship. That doesn't mean that botulus and ixion do but would be some nice symmetry if they did. Im not just sure what that looks like. Seomthing from the front? But if seraph is all we have to go on.. idk its not just magic dmg 50% front. I leadened and wildfired it entirely in the face. Id like to think we just did 50% bursted nuke dmg from the front on it. And therefore also 50% nuke dmg on the front with it.
Maybe this theory is off base but as least seems like a decent place to start poking around. Anyone else have thoughts on a) if its an inverse of botulus, what would it be? or b) still some type of 50% dmg threshold that we haven't tried and wouldn't see just be killing it the way people already do.
Ixion Lore And Proc Attempts
Ixion Lore and Proc Attempts
Has anyone ever failed the naraka chest? or gone purposefully out of their way to try and fail it? Like cleaving should fail it. I guess lmk. Otherwise imma try fail it next time cuz im curious.
I've never not gotten a naraka chest ever.
What if the inverse of the 100% naraka chest is the 0% Ixion chest?
Maybe there is no Ixion chest..... *Cue ominous music.*
What if the inverse of the 100% naraka chest is the 0% Ixion chest?
Maybe there is no Ixion chest..... *Cue ominous music.*
If the naraka's condition is kill it.... maybe the ixions condition really is don't kill it. lol. Aggro it, let it follow you for a "while". it'll despawn and give a box!
Or ignore it, exit, and come back to where it was
It's bad to kill pixies... It's bad to kill ponies
Friendship is magic!
(I'm actually being kinda serious)
Or ignore it, exit, and come back to where it was
It's bad to kill pixies... It's bad to kill ponies
Friendship is magic!
(I'm actually being kinda serious)
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be nice if w/e the hell its condition is, they could at least verify that it works and tell us as much. Or even toss us a dumb hint like every ambu patch notes ever lol
I keep seeing it apparently gives an aura after certain TP moves, try killing it with its aura up?
Asura.Eiryl said: »
If the naraka's condition is kill it.... maybe the ixions condition really is don't kill it. lol. Aggro it, let it follow you for a "while". it'll despawn and give a box!
Or ignore it, exit, and come back to where it was
It's bad to kill pixies... It's bad to kill ponies
Friendship is magic!
(I'm actually being kinda serious)
Or ignore it, exit, and come back to where it was
It's bad to kill pixies... It's bad to kill ponies
Friendship is magic!
(I'm actually being kinda serious)
It has en gravity
probably 50% dot damage >_> someone go Burst a Noctohelix II and Kaustra on it and watch it die.
Did some thinking on like 50% dmg types that could have evaded everyone but are also reasonable things to expect a melee or mage setup to be able to perform.
1) 50% sc dmg, possibly directional req but hopefully not.
No mage burst setup is touching this without going out of their way. Probly no melee setup is accomplishing this either without going out of their way.
Would be easy enough though. just weak opener (vido, ground strike, SCH distortion) to leaden, rinse and repeat. No bursting ofc.
Not sure me leaden > AE > leaden > wildfire? is doing this. There's a ton of dmg in my first and third steps. Spamming wildfire without allies roll (which I have done) probably isn't hitting this either. If seraph was closing a similar SC, intentionally or otherwise, could work.
2) light WS dmg 50%, maybe directional req.
I mean how many light elem WS are there in this game? Three on club alone. Two on sword. one on GK. Couple on staff. Fairly accessible to both strats. Seraph spam would be chest every time. I'd like to think SOMEONE would have tried seraph in the recent days though. Being a COR, not ideal for me lol. But I could req/leaden then try seraph if /war probly. Knock both out in one run.
Main thing is it feels like a reasonable thing to expect mages and melees to be able to do ... and no one is doing this. I can rule out darkness and fire cuz i've literally killed it with nothing but leaden and wildfire, front and back. Even ensuring I didn't self SC with wildfire lol.
3) burst dmg 50%, maybe directional req.
I mean Im pretty sure we did this today. I'd last stand to savage, the GEO would burst and the bursts (from front) accounted for like 60% of the total dmg. So unless you gotta do this from behind or something... but seraph account entirely incompatible with this.
Feel like merely burst dmg 50% would be happening a ton any time a mage group rolled up. Only some directional req would interfere but honestly you think that would have happened accidentally at some point. Super unlikely it's this. Im not sure a melee run would be frozen out by this. They got a GEO right? but seems like a unfair ask, right?
Semi-related question... are we SURE it's 50%? Like could it be less? Has anyone cleaved flower to 55%, stopped then failed chest? Or botulus etc. Just wondered if the threshold has been pinned down or we just assume 50% cuz its a nice clean number.
1) 50% sc dmg, possibly directional req but hopefully not.
No mage burst setup is touching this without going out of their way. Probly no melee setup is accomplishing this either without going out of their way.
Would be easy enough though. just weak opener (vido, ground strike, SCH distortion) to leaden, rinse and repeat. No bursting ofc.
Not sure me leaden > AE > leaden > wildfire? is doing this. There's a ton of dmg in my first and third steps. Spamming wildfire without allies roll (which I have done) probably isn't hitting this either. If seraph was closing a similar SC, intentionally or otherwise, could work.
2) light WS dmg 50%, maybe directional req.
I mean how many light elem WS are there in this game? Three on club alone. Two on sword. one on GK. Couple on staff. Fairly accessible to both strats. Seraph spam would be chest every time. I'd like to think SOMEONE would have tried seraph in the recent days though. Being a COR, not ideal for me lol. But I could req/leaden then try seraph if /war probly. Knock both out in one run.
Main thing is it feels like a reasonable thing to expect mages and melees to be able to do ... and no one is doing this. I can rule out darkness and fire cuz i've literally killed it with nothing but leaden and wildfire, front and back. Even ensuring I didn't self SC with wildfire lol.
3) burst dmg 50%, maybe directional req.
I mean Im pretty sure we did this today. I'd last stand to savage, the GEO would burst and the bursts (from front) accounted for like 60% of the total dmg. So unless you gotta do this from behind or something... but seraph account entirely incompatible with this.
Feel like merely burst dmg 50% would be happening a ton any time a mage group rolled up. Only some directional req would interfere but honestly you think that would have happened accidentally at some point. Super unlikely it's this. Im not sure a melee run would be frozen out by this. They got a GEO right? but seems like a unfair ask, right?
Semi-related question... are we SURE it's 50%? Like could it be less? Has anyone cleaved flower to 55%, stopped then failed chest? Or botulus etc. Just wondered if the threshold has been pinned down or we just assume 50% cuz its a nice clean number.
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Nariont said: »
I keep seeing it apparently gives an aura after certain TP moves, try killing it with its aura up?
50% dmg when aura is up?
Bout as much guesswork as everything else, but if its got an aura thats usually something to work around, apparently WSing drops it, no proc or anything it just goes away and usually we try to remove auras asap so maybe it just needs to stay up or some other action needs to be done on it while its aura is up to "proc" it
kill it with DMG:1 weapons
Ixion uses dansel memento to recover from debuffs.
Another possibility is to make it heal for over 50% HP.
I saw it using once, maybe doing a couple more.
I used impact, so i guess that incentivated it to heal.
Another possibility is to make it heal for over 50% HP.
I saw it using once, maybe doing a couple more.
I used impact, so i guess that incentivated it to heal.
Kinda silly, but I re-materialized it.
Just in case.
Tomorrow gonna do sortie on MNK. I will test if spamming VS with impetus up can trigger something
Just in case.
Tomorrow gonna do sortie on MNK. I will test if spamming VS with impetus up can trigger something
Just killed it with bursted Noctohelix II's and Kaustra. Died pretty much entirely from DoT. No dice.
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Ok, so just used a shiny and devoted it to the Ixion. Got in 5 kills and sadly no chest, not once. I attempted multiple tactics each time to eliminate quite a few possibilities.
Solo w/ trusts RDM/NIN w/ Sylvie, Monbereaux, Koru, Joachim, and Qultada
What it is not: Kill 2 pixies in main room; do more than 50% Earth damage; do more than 50% thunder damage; Force him to use Dansel Memento 20+ times. (Kept distract on him and no WSs for 2 kills, so he spammed that shite); Run through Lightning Spear/Wrath of Zeus (It seems to reduce damage, but no affect on chest); WS during Lightning Spear/Wrath of Zeus from the front. WS when his horn flashes *I'll speak more on this in a sec*; No enfeebles (this sucked and was biggest time sync, pulled with aggro and he still uses Dansel Memento to cure himself <30% even without); Kill after getting blue chest for 5/5 empy; Kill after Nakuuls have spawned (leave and come back).
Sadly, no chest for any of the above, but I did notice something that probably has to do with this aura nonsense that his been mentioned. he doesn't have an Aura exactly, but he does have a visual mechanic that I noticed on kill 3, verified on 4, and figured out a little more on 5. His horn periodically flashes for one second, after this he can (but doesn't always) use either Lightning Spear or Wrath of Zeus. He won't use these before his horn flashes purple (1/2 sec animation and he lifts his head).
I only observed a few times that he did not use Lightning Spear or Wrath of Zeus immediately after, and this was when I was trying to cast stone 1 on him after I saw it flash and before he WSd. Important to note, he can WS immediately after this animation and almost during it but it's a little rarer. It flashed, I cast stone 1 and he used Rampant Stance. Repeated this and he used Dansel Memento. Every other time maybe 10+ it was flash then the next WS was LS or WoZ.
So, long story short: I'm not sure what it is, but it has something to do with his horn flashing.
Solo w/ trusts RDM/NIN w/ Sylvie, Monbereaux, Koru, Joachim, and Qultada
What it is not: Kill 2 pixies in main room; do more than 50% Earth damage; do more than 50% thunder damage; Force him to use Dansel Memento 20+ times. (Kept distract on him and no WSs for 2 kills, so he spammed that shite); Run through Lightning Spear/Wrath of Zeus (It seems to reduce damage, but no affect on chest); WS during Lightning Spear/Wrath of Zeus from the front. WS when his horn flashes *I'll speak more on this in a sec*; No enfeebles (this sucked and was biggest time sync, pulled with aggro and he still uses Dansel Memento to cure himself <30% even without); Kill after getting blue chest for 5/5 empy; Kill after Nakuuls have spawned (leave and come back).
Sadly, no chest for any of the above, but I did notice something that probably has to do with this aura nonsense that his been mentioned. he doesn't have an Aura exactly, but he does have a visual mechanic that I noticed on kill 3, verified on 4, and figured out a little more on 5. His horn periodically flashes for one second, after this he can (but doesn't always) use either Lightning Spear or Wrath of Zeus. He won't use these before his horn flashes purple (1/2 sec animation and he lifts his head).
I only observed a few times that he did not use Lightning Spear or Wrath of Zeus immediately after, and this was when I was trying to cast stone 1 on him after I saw it flash and before he WSd. Important to note, he can WS immediately after this animation and almost during it but it's a little rarer. It flashed, I cast stone 1 and he used Rampant Stance. Repeated this and he used Dansel Memento. Every other time maybe 10+ it was flash then the next WS was LS or WoZ.
So, long story short: I'm not sure what it is, but it has something to do with his horn flashing.
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None of the objectives have been job specific thus far, so I highly doubt it's a specific weapon skill that only certain jobs can do, so in that sprit, what things that multiple jobs have access to have we not yet tried? my group also tried using 1 hours on it to no avail, though there's only a couple that directly target a mob (eagle eye shot, Mijin Gakure) I believe are the only 2, so again, doesn't lend to the multiple jobs theory. Has anyone pulled the horse to the boss crystal and killed it there? the bitzer? Does it have mp? maybe a certain threshold of mp has to be drained from it before it dies? (energy drain/steal, magic hammer, aspir, spirit taker) I know there are others I 'm forgetting, but it's something to consider.
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Killed it with aura up near the Device. Nothing. It actually loses aura pretty quickly and unexpectedly and seems to put it up rarely. I tried going through the elemental wheel to see if a type of magic procs it but couldn't get through it before aura dropped again. Other times when the trusts WS'd it didn't drop. Very strange.
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Asura.Cthaeh said: »
Ok, so just used a shiny and devoted it to the Ixion. Got in 5 kills and sadly no chest, not once. I attempted multiple tactics each time to eliminate quite a few possibilities.
Solo w/ trusts RDM/NIN w/ Sylvie, Monbereaux, Koru, Joachim, and Qultada
What it is not: Kill 2 pixies in main room; do more than 50% Earth damage; do more than 50% thunder damage; Force him to use Dansel Memento 20+ times. (Kept distract on him and no WSs for 2 kills, so he spammed that shite); Run through Lightning Spear/Wrath of Zeus (It seems to reduce damage, but no affect on chest); WS during Lightning Spear/Wrath of Zeus from the front. WS when his horn flashes *I'll speak more on this in a sec*; No enfeebles (this sucked and was biggest time sync, pulled with aggro and he still uses Dansel Memento to cure himself <30% even without); Kill after getting blue chest for 5/5 empy; Kill after Nakuuls have spawned (leave and come back).
Sadly, no chest for any of the above, but I did notice something that probably has to do with this aura nonsense that his been mentioned. he doesn't have an Aura exactly, but he does have a visual mechanic that I noticed on kill 3, verified on 4, and figured out a little more on 5. His horn periodically flashes for one second, after this he can (but doesn't always) use either Lightning Spear or Wrath of Zeus. He won't use these before his horn flashes purple (1/2 sec animation and he lifts his head).
I only observed a few times that he did not use Lightning Spear or Wrath of Zeus immediately after, and this was when I was trying to cast stone 1 on him after I saw it flash and before he WSd. Important to note, he can WS immediately after this animation and almost during it but it's a little rarer. It flashed, I cast stone 1 and he used Rampant Stance. Repeated this and he used Dansel Memento. Every other time maybe 10+ it was flash then the next WS was LS or WoZ.
So, long story short: I'm not sure what it is, but it has something to do with his horn flashing.
Solo w/ trusts RDM/NIN w/ Sylvie, Monbereaux, Koru, Joachim, and Qultada
What it is not: Kill 2 pixies in main room; do more than 50% Earth damage; do more than 50% thunder damage; Force him to use Dansel Memento 20+ times. (Kept distract on him and no WSs for 2 kills, so he spammed that shite); Run through Lightning Spear/Wrath of Zeus (It seems to reduce damage, but no affect on chest); WS during Lightning Spear/Wrath of Zeus from the front. WS when his horn flashes *I'll speak more on this in a sec*; No enfeebles (this sucked and was biggest time sync, pulled with aggro and he still uses Dansel Memento to cure himself <30% even without); Kill after getting blue chest for 5/5 empy; Kill after Nakuuls have spawned (leave and come back).
Sadly, no chest for any of the above, but I did notice something that probably has to do with this aura nonsense that his been mentioned. he doesn't have an Aura exactly, but he does have a visual mechanic that I noticed on kill 3, verified on 4, and figured out a little more on 5. His horn periodically flashes for one second, after this he can (but doesn't always) use either Lightning Spear or Wrath of Zeus. He won't use these before his horn flashes purple (1/2 sec animation and he lifts his head).
I only observed a few times that he did not use Lightning Spear or Wrath of Zeus immediately after, and this was when I was trying to cast stone 1 on him after I saw it flash and before he WSd. Important to note, he can WS immediately after this animation and almost during it but it's a little rarer. It flashed, I cast stone 1 and he used Rampant Stance. Repeated this and he used Dansel Memento. Every other time maybe 10+ it was flash then the next WS was LS or WoZ.
So, long story short: I'm not sure what it is, but it has something to do with his horn flashing.
Kill him while his horn is flashing/glowing maybe?
dalkiel81 said: »
I doubt this will be helpful but who knows, figured I'd mention it.
I have gotten the chest from Ixion once, it was when basements were new, I went in as monk for unlock, and fought him from the front with trusts, didn't kill any pixies or anything else in that section.
My trusts would have been Monberaux, Koru-Moru, Joachim, Qultada, and Ulmia.
I would have just been Victory Smiting him with Impetus on, I also think (if I am remembering right} that I fought him in the hallway just before the first Nakuaal room.
I have gotten the chest from Ixion once, it was when basements were new, I went in as monk for unlock, and fought him from the front with trusts, didn't kill any pixies or anything else in that section.
My trusts would have been Monberaux, Koru-Moru, Joachim, Qultada, and Ulmia.
I would have just been Victory Smiting him with Impetus on, I also think (if I am remembering right} that I fought him in the hallway just before the first Nakuaal room.
Have you tried repeating this to the best of your memory? Even if you don't get the chest, it would be good to confirm what doesn't work.
Odin.Bangla said: »
Killed it with aura up near the Device. Nothing. It actually loses aura pretty quickly and unexpectedly and seems to put it up rarely. I tried going through the elemental wheel to see if a type of magic procs it but couldn't get through it before aura dropped again. Other times when the trusts WS'd it didn't drop. Very strange.
As I mentioned above, its not an aura. It's a charge animation he uses before he can use lightning spear or wrath of Zeus. This is why it seems to fall quickly, his horn flashes with lightning for a very short time and then he can use the tp move.
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At this point I'm almost certain whatever the proc was to get the Ixion to drop the chest after the first couple weeks of basement Bosses have already been changed.. like I said before, everyone who's ever gotten this chest has got it within the first week or 2 of the release of the Basement Bosses. This is just another one of SE's doing of making our lives more difficult lol
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*Click on first table to make it larger (font). Horn has never been reported broken. Assuming people have tried majority crit. damage from front and behind (and sides?) with blunt, piercing and slashing. Let me know if something is incorrect/missing. I've omitted the first reported case drop since the conditions were so vague and it hasn't been reproduced. Let me know if you think I should re-include it.
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But every ixion in this game have this trait of horn breaking?
While there is no rule a family characteristic to be present in every instance of a mob, if the only member of the family that never had its horn broken is this ixion, thats at least some hint of what to expect to see if we are in the right path or no
While there is no rule a family characteristic to be present in every instance of a mob, if the only member of the family that never had its horn broken is this ixion, thats at least some hint of what to expect to see if we are in the right path or no
I'm pretty sure you're all getting hung up on it being an Ixion and not that it just happens to be an Ixion.
There is nothing special about the Botulous, the Naraka, nor the Dark Rosi. It's just a mob. The horn ain't gonna have ***to do with it.
There is nothing special about the Botulous, the Naraka, nor the Dark Rosi. It's just a mob. The horn ain't gonna have ***to do with it.
Asura.Cthaeh said: »
It's a charge animation he uses before he can use lightning spear or wrath of Zeus.
You'd think with the prevalent mage meta it would happen frequently by accident but someone mentioned it dies within very few SC + MB and doesn't get a chance to get many WS off so that might be a explanation.
maybe University's RDM always used earth enspell since ixion seems lightning aligned and the explanation for the MNK + 5 trusts could be one of the trusts beeing for example arciela II and she nuked the right element at the right moment?
There are a couple of trusts that exploit enemy elemental weakness according to the wiki, among them are rainmard (enspell, probably has trouble hitting tho), Robel-Akbel, Adelheid (chooses storm effects aligning either with enemy weakness or day/weather) and Mumor II. If the weakness really is earth then rosulatia might also have be a good chance landing at the right moment?
Then again afaik all the other conditions had pretty much zero hints pointing at them, which is infuriating imho.
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Can't wait for the patch note in a few years
"An issue wherein the condition for spawning the chest associated with the monster Fetid Ixion was not activating correctly"
"An issue wherein the condition for spawning the chest associated with the monster Fetid Ixion was not activating correctly"
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