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Ixion Lore and Proc Attempts
By SimonSes 2023-07-28 13:06:06
I wouldn't take anyones word either. Saying "you" tried it definitely wouldn't stop me from finding out if you were wrong.
Unreliable testers. Including the ones who claimed they got it.
Sure, but it wasn't something that one person tried, but few at least. If we won't believe in other people tests at all, then why we even have this thread. Lets just stop posting until someone find a right trigger and then share it, because what wasn't working doesn't matter at all with such mindset.
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By Fenrir.Velner 2023-07-28 13:16:41
I said that in good will. We have this topic for a reason and that reason is to share our tests. With limited time in Sortie it's a huge waste of that time to retest something that was tested by few other people. If you want to retest something and don't waste the time in Sortie, maybe just add some factor, like ranged attack, but only from back or only from the front.
If you're annoyed that I re-tested your ranged method, it's because you didn't include the actual distance and I wanted to be thorough. Also, if you read my post closely, I specifically added that I did the ranged damage at not just 20+ yalms but also directly behind as you're suggesting. . . Anyway, this is derailing the thread. Just share your testing and don't be a jerk to those who are sharing theirs even if we're "wasting" our time in your estimation.
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By Shichishito 2023-07-28 13:20:31
just few the re-tests as quality control.
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By Shiva.Flowen 2023-07-28 13:21:31
Anyone tried killing it whilst fulltime wearing (not just lockstyled in) 5/5 empyrean, relic and AF armor sets?
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By Fenrir.Richybear 2023-07-28 14:01:25
Ixion was in the past, same as Sandworm. SW
Maybe you gotta kill it in the most SW spot while facing SW.
What's the opposite of that? NE. As in, will NEbody figure it out? or Does NEone actually work on the Dev team?
For 58973489754578943578 Gallimuffins, we'll let ya know
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By Asura.Illuminate 2023-07-28 14:28:05
Just a little shout-out: 10 up-votes and counting!
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By Asura.Illuminate 2023-07-28 14:36:37
Are we following the assumption that it's only one specific condition that has to be met?
Botulus is 50%+ WS damage AND behind the mob (2 variables). The ffxiwiki page also has a myriad of other 'required' conditions too.
The flower is 50%+ aoe indirect damage, so I would assume one condition, unless it's indirect magic damage if no one has tried aoe weapon skill damage yet?
Is the naraka just do damage while it's facing you?
Just think of all the possible combinations if there are two things required.....
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By Felgarr 2023-07-28 15:42:10
Has anyone tried Calling For Help on Ixion?
(I mean....this is SE we're talking about)
Did you even read any of the points above or do you just spout the first thing that comes into your mind?
The person who asked about Call for Help was 35 minutes before my post. I simply posted my question without having refreshed the page in 35 minutes. Is that acceptable to you?
Also, if it's not in Illuminate's list, it's fair game to be asked IMHO. Keep in mind, we have a huge swath of inconsistent and unreliable testers. (Not all, of course).
Anyway, I fought Ixion twice yesterday. No chest. I noticed that his first spawn position was the furthest position from where you start in F. Killed him among some Baelfyr and Gerfyrst. When I re-materialized, Ixion was near the very start of F among the Veela and other mixed elementals.
Could we take note of his spawn positions and see if maybe there is a finite pattern? It might indicate him needing to be killed in particular area? (I suggest this because noting besides the veela aggro naturally, which makes for walking Ixion to another room very easy).
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By Asura.Illuminate 2023-07-28 15:49:16
Are we following the assumption that it's only one specific condition that has to be met?
Botulus is 50%+ WS damage AND behind the mob (2 variables). The ffxiwiki page also has a myriad of other 'required' conditions too.
The flower is 50%+ aoe indirect damage, so I would assume one condition, unless it's indirect magic damage if no one has tried aoe weapon skill damage yet?
Is the naraka just do damage while it's facing you?
Just think of all the possible combinations if there are two things required.....
Botulus is 50% damage from rear, Naraka is 50% single target, Tutila is 50% indirect. Ws is not a condition of Botulus.
Thank you Fox. So considering this, and I believe someone else already mentioned this, it seems likely the condition would be 50%+ damage under condition "X"
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By Shiva.Alistrianna 2023-07-28 16:04:37
Our group killed the Naraka with Entombs trying to kill all the vampire in the big room. We got the chest after he died. Are we sure it's 50% single target damage?
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By Asura.Illuminate 2023-07-28 17:11:31
Shiva.Alistrianna said: »Our group killed the Naraka with Entombs trying to kill all the vampire in the big room. We got the chest after he died. Are we sure it's 50% single target damage?
That or damage where naraka is the main target/opposite of H, but yeah.
So E is majority damage from behind
G is majority damage facing him?
H is majority indirect damage (possibly facing it?)
If this is the pattern, then possible F is majority indirect damage from behind?
By Pantafernando 2023-07-28 17:23:10
Definitively naraka doesnt requires facing it.
I usually burst it from behind.
By klayy 2023-07-28 17:25:24
I did kinda wonder about naraka. Like I want to see someone legit try to fail him by AOEing him down under 50% then killing him. I guess the only way this matters is if there is some correlation between them all. We cant know for sure all 4 are 50% dmg related but tbh, that has to be the starting point if the other 3 all are.
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By Asura.Illuminate 2023-07-28 17:45:48
Definitively naraka doesnt requires facing it.
I usually burst it from behind.
So Botulus is 50% weaponskill damage (from behind),
H is indirect aoe magic damage (facing or not facing) correct?
If so what is G then? 50%+ magic burst or magic damage? From any direction?
By RayearthAsura 2023-07-28 17:51:13
So I've read through these posts. I have not seen over 50% direct single target magic damage, unless I missed that. The one Rdm could of gotten that from enspells before using a WS to kill. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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By Odin.Bangla 2023-07-28 17:51:54
Definitively naraka doesnt requires facing it.
I usually burst it from behind.
So Botulus is 50% weaponskill damage (from behind),
H is indirect aoe magic damage (facing or not facing) correct?
If so what is G then? 50%+ magic burst or magic damage? From any direction? Botolus is not WS damage. Naraka is not restricted to magic damage.
By klayy 2023-07-28 18:02:42
I feel like I've seen 50% single target magic dmg but here's the qualifiers...
I was the COR doing last stand to savage from the front to make light. Had a GEO bursting fire also from the front. Eyeballed the % drops as they happened and waited until I was sure we'd done 60% from bursts alone. Then killed. Nothing doing. Feel like any mage setup would hit this every time unless bursts were DQed or there was some directional req folded in.
Didnt do it from behind. I want to... not rule out like free nuke dmg but I just cant believe they'd screw melee pts like that.
I suppose during all this someone has tried AOE dmg 50%. Like any cleavers would have hit that automatically. But I keep going back to the zone is covered in magic aggro and maybe our reluctance to just aggro a room full of eles is somehow tied to this. As long as the AOE dmg wasn't directly tied to nukes or AE or like sonic thrust, I suppose I could see it. I suppose i'd add the qualifier of direct AOE dmg with horse as target, to differentiate it from naraka. I know that doesnt fit in with the seraph thing but I don't think we should limit ourselves at this point.
By zixxer 2023-07-28 18:16:20
Last nights Ixion runs we tried.
Light based ws damage only.
Pulled to blitzer and killed next to it.
No drops.
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By Pantafernando 2023-07-28 18:16:34
The pattern i see is:
Naraka: always get chest.
Ixion: never get chest.
By zixxer 2023-07-28 19:12:59
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By Asura.Illuminate 2023-07-28 19:33:38
Ok just to hammer this home,
Botulus: 50%+ damage from behind (does melee or magic matter?)
Naraka: 50%+ damage (what is the second variable? direction?)
Plant: 50%+ indirect damage (not sure if direction or magic vs phys matters)
Correct me where I'm wrong?
By klayy 2023-07-28 19:48:24
Tryna stuff on COR now...
Ixion #1 pulled with ranged to boss bitzer, killed from behind with 50% direct AOE dmg (AE). Also threw in a 6-step for good measure. Nothing.
Ixion #2 popped blue bitzer chest, didnt open, dragged horse to it, killed on chest lol. also leadened it from front back both side. X
Ixion #3 killed one of each of the 4 hybrid types then killed ixion with leaden spam. X
Ixion #4 tried to do 50% dmg with hybrid WS aka hot shot. coiuldnt hit it at all lol having failed that, tossed kitchen sink at it... leaden AE wildfire last stand savage extenterator like one of every kind of WS I could land... topped that off by dropping it with earth shot cuz if was earth day. X
Then idk..... some potential unsettling botulus news... I pushed him to 58% from behind with a medley of 3 leadens and a wildfire.... then killed him from the front intentionally trying to fail him.... and got box... so Im bringing into question that the threshold is 50%. It might be lower. I guess that would be good news. But this is why I want people to try fail these things. Ended up SCing botulus down from the front, killing it with capped darkness after a 61K leaden. idk.
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By klayy 2023-07-28 20:05:33
Id be interested to see if anyone else tries to fail botulus in a similar way but I understand that's not the focus lol. I ran out of ixion ideas so I went to check that off my to-do list. Next time I'll throw whatever ixion ideas I have at horse and then try fail botulus again. Maybe more extremely. Like 100% frontal dmg then if I fail that work my way from 100-0 front back to 90-10 80-20 70-30 etc. But just now it was roughly 42 from back, 58 from front. Should have failed. Only real reason I care about this is if an inverse relationship between E and F exists like in G and H. Nailing down botulus would be essential. If we only think we have him nailed down... idk are we certain its 50% (or any of them)and are we certain it has to be from behind?
Hypothetically, assuming im not delirious from ixion testing, could botulus be do 50% of the dmg from a single side? Or of a single dmg type? If so, everything we are throwing at it is failing the inverse. We spam from back, spam from front. We spam one type of dmg.
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By klayy 2023-07-28 20:17:55
Not sure if I can pull log of fight without some kind of addon I dont currently have. But its all still on my screen.. ignoring melee hits and trust dmg....
Back
Leaden 66528
Leaden 75245
Leaden 70817
Wildfire 31549
Front
Leaden 57956
AE 17321 (Distortion 12470)
Leaden 52345 (no SC I think i missed the window lol)
AE 18305 (Distortion 13142)
Leaden 61928 (Darkness 99999)
Dead botulus.
back 244,139
front 207,855 WS only. 125,611 SC dmg. 333,466 total dmg.
If SC dmg doesn't count to that tally, I technically did more from behind than front. But the inverse of that has been done a ton lol.
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By klayy 2023-07-28 20:24:29
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By Asura.Illuminate 2023-07-28 20:32:03
Thanks Klay,
So basically you just confirmed Botulus is 50%+ damage from behind, correct? Although the majority of the damage was ws damage?
For Ixion, I'm curious to try indirect aoe damage (magical) from behind, indirect aoe physical damage (from behind), and I can't remember if someone tried indirect aoe physical damage from the front, indirect aoe magical from front.
I had a revelation last night. What if Ixion from historical greek mythology has the actual hint/ answer to proccing Ixion? See below post copy and pasted from wikipedia and my guesses at possible Ixion proc:
Ixion married Dia,[1] a daughter of Deioneus (or Eioneus), and promised his father-in-law a valuable present. However, he did not pay the bride price, so Deioneus stole [2] some of Ixion's horses in retaliation. Ixion concealed his resentment and invited his father-in-law to a feast at Larissa. When Deioneus arrived, Ixion pushed him into a bed of burning coals and wood [3]. These circumstances are secondary to the fact of Ixion's primordial act of murder; it could be accounted for quite differently: in the Greek Anthology (iii.12), among a collection of inscriptions from a temple in Cyzicus, is an epigrammatic description of Ixion slaying Phorbas and Polymelos, who had slain his mother, Megara, the "great one".
Ixion went mad, defiled by his act; the neighboring princes were so offended by this act of treachery and violation of xenia that they refused to perform the rituals that would cleanse Ixion of his guilt (see catharsis)[4]. Thereafter, Ixion lived as an outlaw and was shunned. By killing his father-in-law, Ixion was reckoned the first man guilty of kin-slaying in Greek mythology.
This act alone would warrant Ixion a terrible punishment, but Zeus took pity on Ixion and brought him to Olympus and introduced him at the table of the gods. Instead of being grateful, Ixion grew lustful for Hera, Zeus's wife, a further violation of guest–host relations. Zeus found out about his intentions and made a cloud in the shape of Hera, which became known as Nephele (from nephos "cloud") and tricked Ixion into coupling with it. From the union of Ixion and the false-Hera cloud came Imbros or Centauros, who mated with the Magnesian mares on Mount Pelion, Pindar told, engendering the race of Centaurs, who are called the Ixionidae from their descent.
Ixion was expelled from Olympus and blasted with a thunderbolt [5]. Zeus ordered Hermes to bind Ixion to a winged fiery wheel [6] [7] that was always spinning. Therefore, Ixion was bound to a burning solar wheel for all eternity, at first spinning across the heavens, but in later myth transferred to Tartarus [8]. Only when Orpheus [9] played his lyre during his trip to the Underworld to rescue Eurydice did it stop for a while [10][11].
[1] Cast Dia on Ixion (Dia 1? Dia 2? Light Shot?)
[2] Steal, Mug, or Despoil the Horse?
[3] Craft near Ixion... so he can be pushed in?
[4] Cast onto Ixion, Cure, Erase, Viruna, Esuna, Holy, Holy II?
[5] Have a BLU use Thunderbolt (Learned from behemoth) on Ixion
[6] Cast the elemental wheel in order on Ixion starting with Fire (Fire > Water > Thunder > Earth > Wind > Ice)
[7] Cast the elemental wheel in order on Ixion ending with Fire
(Water > Thunder > Earth > Wind > Ice > Fire)
[8] Cast Banish on Ixion to banish him to Tartarus...
[9] Equip an Orpheus Sash While playing a harp song near Ixion
[10] Sing a song while engaged on Ixion using a harp
[11] Sing a song debuff on Ixion using a harp
Please let one of the above memes actually be the answer.
Happy (proc) hunting
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