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By Bahamut.Forutegsx 2023-08-02 23:47:54
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Bahamut.Mischief said: »


We killed enraged Aminon...and didn't get a Mesosiderite. It really isn't 100%, and you need 4 of them.

The kill took us most of the run, with a specialized setup - we went straight to Aminon, and killed him with 16 minutes remaining. We're a bit hesitant to share the full strategy right now in a writeup in case SE hits it with the nerf bat in September (seeing as the current enraged AI is pretty much a direct counter to the old strategy), but it's a far more difficult strategy to execute than before. If they don't change Meso to 100% drop rate, and/or if the 25% DT isn't on the current version (we can likely check this with Meteor later), the majority of groups are going to be walled out.

We will definitely make the full strategy public after verifying it still works after the September update, if not much sooner. We just really don't want SE to nerf this one too, because this strategy is already really stupid and any subsequent ones would likely be even worse/more exclusive.

The above bolded part is so true.
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By Cerberus.Shadowmeld 2023-08-02 23:48:04
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I’m honestly in awe of your team’s ability to think up and execute these strats. I wouldn’t even know where to begin.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2023-08-02 23:48:22
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Sounds like Kaustra
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By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2023-08-02 23:52:51
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Can't Kaustra for 44 minutes straight
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2023-08-02 23:53:14
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Very much doubt it's anything remotely as simple as Kaustra. Kaustra is already an important element of normal Aminon clears and it does 20%ish of its health at best.
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By Cerberus.Shadowmeld 2023-08-02 23:55:16
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Valefor.Prothescar said: »
I'd argue that if your group took nearly an hour to kill it, most groups are already walled out. Kind of insane.

Our first regular aminon took 40 minutes (I’m not in mischief’s group). Now we kill it in 11-15.

I’m sure as they get better that time can be improved upon
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2023-08-02 23:55:46
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
Sounds like Kaustra

That was in the old strat!
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Carbuncle.Maletaru said: »
Can't Kaustra for 44 minutes straight

3 scholars and 2 cors for (4-8)wild cards, 2 cutting cards, you can (or close I don't know the exact duration)

And, it would be really stupid.
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By K123 2023-08-03 05:55:20
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Valefor.Prothescar said: »
I'd argue that if your group took nearly an hour to kill it, most groups are already walled out. Kind of insane.
Everything takes ages the first time and is exclusive to the best groups until others get used to the strategy and Mlevel up and gear up good enough. This is a good part of FFXI in recent years.

I remember when melee pug could only do A+E, then A+C+E+G and now A+B+C+E+F+G or A+B+D+E+F+H is more possible and common.

People shout for manaburn and melee burn 8 bosses on Asura but these are mostly bought accounts and probably delusional people.
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By Phoenix.Iocus 2023-08-03 07:02:00
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We killed enraged Aminon...and didn't get a Mesosiderite. It really isn't 100%, and you need 4 of them.

The kill took us most of the run, with a specialized setup - we went straight to Aminon, and killed him with 16 minutes remaining. We're a bit hesitant to share the full strategy right now in a writeup in case SE hits it with the nerf bat in September (seeing as the current enraged AI is pretty much a direct counter to the old strategy), but it's a far more difficult strategy to execute than before. If they don't change Meso to 100% drop rate, and/or if the 25% DT isn't on the current version (we can likely check this with Meteor later), the majority of groups are going to be walled out.

We will definitely make the full strategy public after verifying it still works after the September update, if not much sooner. We just really don't want SE to nerf this one too, because this strategy is already really stupid and any subsequent ones would likely be even worse/more exclusive.

The above bolded part is so true.

Why you no bring THF for TH!? You have another 15 minutes to waste by un-optimizing your niche setup!

Please don't take this seriously and congrats on your win
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By Asura.Saevel 2023-08-03 08:27:02
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Phoenix.Iocus said: »
Why you no bring THF for TH!? You have another 15 minutes to waste by un-optimizing your niche setup!

Please don't take this seriously and congrats on your win

Lol, well folks can get up to TH4 without a thief or ranger, that alone is a noticeable increase in non-coffer drops.
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By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2023-08-03 08:34:28
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Asura.Saevel said: »
Lol, well folks can get up to TH4 without a thief or ranger, that alone is a noticeable increase in non-coffer drops.

Like...fenrites?
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By Pantafernando 2023-08-03 09:28:04
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Crests too
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By Dodik 2023-08-03 09:34:21
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Does TH even do anything to non-treasure pool personal drops?
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By drakefs 2023-08-03 11:09:13
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Are the -drites even considered a personal drop as, when they drop, they drop for everyone in the party that has the requirement for said drop?
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By Asura.Saevel 2023-08-03 11:52:10
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Dodik said: »
Does TH even do anything to non-treasure pool personal drops?

Yes, TH increases the drop slots from bosses, it's very noticeable. It wont' do anything for objective chest/coffers though. All the drop system is doing is cloning the drop into everyone who qualifies for it inventory.
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By Bahamut.Boposhopo 2023-08-03 11:56:50
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drakefs said: »
Are the -drites even considered a personal drop as, when they drop, they drop for everyone in the party that has the requirement for said drop?

Yes, if it drops for 1 person it drops for everyone.
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By Taint 2023-08-03 12:02:45
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Asura.Saevel said: »
Dodik said: »
Does TH even do anything to non-treasure pool personal drops?

Yes, TH increases the drop slots from bosses, it's very noticeable. It wont' do anything for objective chest/coffers though. All the drop system is doing is cloning the drop into everyone who qualifies for it inventory.


I agree very noticeable difference.
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By Pantafernando 2023-08-03 12:11:24
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But noticeable enough to justify have a THF instead of only TH4?
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By Asura.Eiryl 2023-08-03 12:20:23
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Define "noticeable"

.01 to .02 is infact double!

On paper doubling the drop rate seems incredible. Except 2*0=0
Or, Instead of 1000 tries, it "only" takes 500. Perspective.
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By Meeble 2023-08-03 13:23:38
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
Define "noticeable"
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this strategy is already really stupid

Ok but now I want to guess it

Geo-Poison + SV Requiem and kite for 45min?
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By SimonSes 2023-08-03 14:20:18
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Lili said: »
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this strategy is already really stupid

Ok but now I want to guess it

Geo-Poison + SV Requiem and kite for 45min?
You would need 5500 damage per tic to do like 5M in 45min :)
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By Asura.Saevel 2023-08-03 15:00:23
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Pantafernando said: »
But noticeable enough to justify have a THF instead of only TH4?

We're talking TH0 to TH4 or possibly TH6 (bounty shot), highly doubt bringing a THF is something they want to do, unless stealing hate is a desired outcome? Maybe make the THF the sacrificial lamb for bane :D
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By Pantafernando 2023-08-03 15:34:33
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Lili said: »
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this strategy is already really stupid

Ok but now I want to guess it

Geo-Poison + SV Requiem and kite for 45min?

PLDx5 BRD spamming atonement
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2023-08-03 16:25:37
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GEO COR COR COR COR PLD

elemental shot / leaden spam lol
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Bahamut.Forutegsx said: »
Bahamut.Mischief said: »


We killed enraged Aminon...and didn't get a Mesosiderite. It really isn't 100%, and you need 4 of them.

The kill took us most of the run, with a specialized setup - we went straight to Aminon, and killed him with 16 minutes remaining. We're a bit hesitant to share the full strategy right now in a writeup in case SE hits it with the nerf bat in September (seeing as the current enraged AI is pretty much a direct counter to the old strategy), but it's a far more difficult strategy to execute than before. If they don't change Meso to 100% drop rate, and/or if the 25% DT isn't on the current version (we can likely check this with Meteor later), the majority of groups are going to be walled out.

We will definitely make the full strategy public after verifying it still works after the September update, if not much sooner. We just really don't want SE to nerf this one too, because this strategy is already really stupid and any subsequent ones would likely be even worse/more exclusive.

The above bolded part is so true.

How stupid are we talking? Humor me.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2023-08-03 21:32:18
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Phoenix.Iocus said: »
Bahamut.Forutegsx said: »
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We killed enraged Aminon...and didn't get a Mesosiderite. It really isn't 100%, and you need 4 of them.

The kill took us most of the run, with a specialized setup - we went straight to Aminon, and killed him with 16 minutes remaining. We're a bit hesitant to share the full strategy right now in a writeup in case SE hits it with the nerf bat in September (seeing as the current enraged AI is pretty much a direct counter to the old strategy), but it's a far more difficult strategy to execute than before. If they don't change Meso to 100% drop rate, and/or if the 25% DT isn't on the current version (we can likely check this with Meteor later), the majority of groups are going to be walled out.

We will definitely make the full strategy public after verifying it still works after the September update, if not much sooner. We just really don't want SE to nerf this one too, because this strategy is already really stupid and any subsequent ones would likely be even worse/more exclusive.

The above bolded part is so true.

Why you no bring THF for TH!? You have another 15 minutes to waste by un-optimizing your niche setup!

Please don't take this seriously and congrats on your win

Thanks! And we were kicking ourselves for not tagging TH4 on Aminon before the kill. Whether or not it actually helps that specific drop is unknown, but there's no reason to not try.
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By Hopalong 2023-08-03 21:33:51
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When .05% or less of the player population are completing enraged Aminon kills, it better be 110% drop.
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By Pantafernando 2023-08-04 03:04:44
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
there's no reason to not try.

You need to kill it without TH 1000 times then again more 1000 times with TH so we can conclude if we need to bother using TH gear or no
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