Nerf BRD

This would be idealistic, but I do wish more people thought like this. Unfortunately, every group has one person with only 2-3 jobs. Some groups have that one player, who is always Tom Cruise / Will Ferrell. No matter what job they come as, you're gonna get Tom Cruise/Will Ferrell. Basically, they play one way, no matter the job, and that's it.

But a lot of those people who have 3 leveled jobs might also have a mule with bard and cor.

Because of the current state of the game a lot of people have taken that approach (SE fault for equipment woes, unable to find real people, weird playtimes, no duty finder etc) and are focusing on jobs on other accounts, Should those people level them twice now? or bring their mule instead of their main for the event (V25 oddy gonna suck along with sortie point farms), or should they attempt to dual box an event and leave out a real 6th?


You know what... you should start the game on Bard so everyone has to get all rema for Bard before they can level any other jobs

This one? This argument? The one where you nebulously claim that nerfing bard will "make pugs wait less" and "end their bad attitudes"? That argument?

*** you. Your argument is ad hominem and completely without evidence. Debating your position is equivalent to trying to ask a drunk why he is pissing on your shoes. Before this thread you had a grand total of FOUR posts to the entire forum. You work soo hard yet have time to make 22 REMA weapons. At best you are a shitty troll furiously masturbating to people arguing about your dumbaas post. At worst you have the debating skills of a 5 year old having a temper tantrum.

The game is in maintenance mode. SE is not going to nerf a job because some bard made fun of you in a PUG. The only premadonna here is you.

I doubt many will argue against the point that its a design flaw of SE's to create so many different jobs that do the same thing, and all reliant on a small handful of other jobs that allow them to do it well.

The only decision these days to make is whether you're going to help the bottleneck in party and group formation by being one of those people with a BRD, multibox and play by yourself with an alt BRD, or simultaneously *** about not enough BRDs and bash those who did build the job you're so dependent on.

Not gonna argue this isn't true, but this also describes every online game with roles in history. DOTA, LOL, WOW, SWTOR, FFXIV, Overwatch, and probably every role-based shooter, MMO, or MOBA game ever.

Everyone wants to be a DPS and nobody wants to play support. Wonder why game developers make 3x as many DPS classes.

What's the solution? Everyone is a DPS and there are no support classes at all? DPS jobs can do plenty of damage even without a support? You just deleted all your support jobs from the game then. IDK...seems easy if you only look at one side of the situation and don't try to actually design it yourself.

BRD was boring in the long gone past, when it was only singing.

You now have several viable DD daggers and Naegling. You have TP gear like Bunzi head, JSE neck, Linos and same WS gear like most dd jobs (Nyame), so I'm not sure what's so bad/boring about playing BRD currently?

I totally agree. you got 10 mins between song refresh. if you are not falling back and playing your sub job you are not being a good player. and you have many times full choice of going mage /whm /rdm or even dd jobs /nin /dnc so brd offers a lot of different play styles... if you play it more than just toss up song and go afk

Sometimes you people expect far too much from a 20 year old game built on PS2 technology...

It's some bare minimum ***that they've beaten into you that it's more than they should have to do.

Plenty of people want to play supports. BRD is just boring and statistically too good to pretend you shouldn't have one if you're actually trying.

We're talking about capping party haste and giving attack buffs but SMN with Hastega 2 and crimson howl doesn't even enter the conversation because BRD blows it out of the water.

i got kicked from a Kuftal party for DD'ing. i wish those losers could see the meta now

Bro, are you ok? Its cool if you need to vent, I don't even care if you curse me, but I hope you'll call a hotline, or even a friend, or relative if you get too stressed out. Please don't hurt yourself basically.

Ah yes, the "u mad bro" attack. As lacking in substance as your entire argument. I'm finished, I proved my point. Talk to the wall you HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE asshat.

I think what makes DDing fun is tons of decisions making as you do dps. Like when to stack or time multiple offensive JAs, when to switch between different weapons(any DD with 3+ viable weapon choices), when to switch between melee and shooting(RNG, cor), when to switch between heal and DD(rdm, dnc), when to use different pets(smn, bst etc)

Most of BRD's JA are songs related. So if you don't enjoy singing songs then WS spam with TP and WS gears doesn't offer enough gameplay variety probably.

I play all DD jobs and 99% of the time clicking JA is decided by event strategy, not by player. Also most JA aren't really exciting or hard to use. Most of the time you will also ignore many JAs because they are DPS loss or they fit only in very specific scenario (all the skillchain related JAs on SAM for example). I would go even further and say that DD jobs with actively used JAs like DNC are avoided exactly for that reason. Hard to use JAs are also avoided even if they are completely overpowered (Scarlet Delirium).

Also if you really want, you can simply sub job that has JAs. For example you can use /DNC and use haste samba and box step.

Lastly changing weapon is very much a thing on BRD. Let's take as an example to most grinded end game events, Sortie and Odyssey. In Odyssey you need to switch between piercing and slashing at least. In Sortie you need to switch to avoid/use certain skillchain properties. Mpu Gandring or Naegling on A/B/C/G, Twashtar or Mandau on B/F. You can also equip staff and shell crusher some of them.

Well yeah, but changing between dagger and sword for different property is smaller variety than changing between dagger/sword and gun for example. Since dagger/sword plays completely different from ranged weapon, or at least they feel different in terms of positioning, JA use and button click frequency.

If cor is a "do rolls and spam melee ws over and over" job without melee/ranged switch mechanics and triple shot JA management I think I'd fall asleep playing it myself.



Scarlet Delirium is one example that makes drk really fun for me though. ;/ Whenever I try it and successful it always created this kind of "ohhhhhh yeahhhh" dopamine rush feel that can't be found on support jobs without DD JA. I would imagine support DDs without this kind of JA won't be as fun feeling wise.

Likewise whenever I play war and pop MS and all of the offensive JA for zergs I have similar feels.

Overall I'd say if people don't enjoy brd it's 100% understandable. Different strokes for different folks.

Yeah but it's literally sing your songs, do the same baseline combat as everyone else with nothing else going on. If there was no overwhelming cookie for doing it, you'd think it was uninspired and barebones because that's exactly what it is.

See, the solution is to buff SMN. /endthread

Smn would work. It's really just haste.

Given siren AM and VM, or a source of not haste, haste

You literally has ranged/melee swaps on 2jobs and one isn't even a DD, so I can't really agree it's an argument for BRD having less weapon swaps than DD jobs.


You are exception here imo.

unironically just give SMN "Fenrir now gives 20 JA Haste" or something stupid and call it a day

Was pdobably already said but just bump haste/II values if hastes the clincher

Yeah let RDM cap haste solo, do all damage type and magic with spells, enspell and WS, cap accuracy on its own, put the strongest debuffs in the game, cure himself with both spell and WS, have 40% base triple attack rate, all kids of defensive buffs and best looking hat. That's for sure a great idea to balance BRD :D

I didn't say all jobs have ranged/melee switch. I said other jobs have different mechanics(depends on jobs) that isn't just singing songs, so if you don't enjoy singing songs then there aren't that many unique mechanics to play with on brd.



You asked why people don't enjoy brd so I simply explained my preference because you asked a question. If your reaction is "you are the exception" why do you even ask lol.