Dec 2022 Odyssey R30 Aug Dump

going to write again that we still don't know with any certainty that this axe works in the offhand either, it needs to be tested. easiest way would be the old crit rate test in abyssea via rampage since thats an easily shiftable and observable effect from TP.

Primal and Cloudsplitter do exact damage based on tp

Should be trivial to spot the difference anywhere

Or you could of course use sanguine blade or spirits within etc.

That works too, just need someone who actually has the axe augmented to do controlled tests. It would be the first non-magian TP Bonus weapon to work outside of the mainhand afair.

The axe also already has TP Bonus+300 at R25, so a v25 win isn't even necessary to test it.

Or, just use a freaking Gleti's Knife instead of making an AG Mandau for RDM for a ridiculously niche use case.

(but this was obviously a joke anyway)

I know you're not serious, but R15 Mandau Mercy Stroke is actually pretty consistent and decently strong with full Nyame B thanks to all the WSD and Temper 2 procs. It's definitely a lot more than what Tauret or Gleti's Knife can deal with Evisceration.

Career RDMs may want to consider making one if the prime dagger doesn't make it obsolete.

I'm a fan of Mandau for RDM also. In situations where you would be spamming CDC, Mercy stroke will usually out perform it.

Tsuru's Daken bonus works in the offhand so it stands to reason Ikenga's TP Bonus will too.

...not really? The stats are completely different, and TP Bonus is historically known to not work in the offhand outside of a single weird subset of weapons that were probably never intended to work that way. Until we know for sure people shouldn't get their hopes up. I'll be glad if it does tho.

I wasnt joking at all. While single wielding Mandau is imo the strongest RDM's piercing option. With DW Twashtar is probably competitive, because you can equip tp bonus offhand.

Gleti's knife isn't really competitive imo. You have no access to Mercy Stroke, Evisceration is much worse on RDM (you would use Tauret for that anyway) and Rudra is weak at low TP, especially without Twashtar.

Mercy Stroke has 5.0 fTP and whole WS has x1.68 multiplier from R15 Mandau. That is equivalent to 8.4 fTP and MA proc hits being equivalent of 1.68fTP.
80%STR WSC is also way stronger than 80%DEX. R25 Nyame + Empy+3 feet has 150STR, while only having 121DEX. R15 Sailfi belt, Sroda Ring and Rep. Plat. Medal are way better for STR than anything else for DEX too.

Could be mistaken but that was only in the case of non-augmented TP bonus, augmented TP bonus should work like moonshade, or magian weapons, like said will know when someone tests it.

Rdm isnt on Twash though, as much as i wish it was

Oh yeah, Im tired and play too much jobs :D
Another reason Mandau is bis piercing option for RDM, just even in more scenarios than I wrote in previous post.

A) Moonshade is irrelevant as it is not a weapon

B) we don't know because until now there has only been one other augmented tp bonus weapon (magian; kunimune technically but has anyone tried it with archery?). There's no way to know for certain that the tp bonus being an augment is what makes it work differently.

I already had the Axe at R25 so can test it out later when I get home. Messed around and WAR/NIN with Ikenga + Magian TP Bonus is hilarious with Mistral or Cloud.

Cool thanks, will be good to know and I suspect most people never bothered with the axe until now

Made it as a main hand axe for WAR since I like to keep an arsenal in my Mog Satchel.

And tbf even before this it was basically WAR kunimitsu, it's just most people don't think about off hands that aren't magian and most people think any main hand besides naegling ist verboten

I'm saying it uses the same wording as what later magian weapons have, and all augmented TP bonus has, magian's just the only one that happened to get on a weapon, if there were any it was with the qualifier of MH only but don't think we had any of those. Every other form of TP bonus that has been on weapons were unaugmented and only applied to the MH.

If judging based on how it's likely coded, the augment *system* is where the stat will be tied in. Since this is using a different augment system with different extdata, there's no reason to assume that either outcome is more likely. They could have coded it either way, just wait until someone tries it.

spirits within, 1122 tp, 1924 hp: 683 dmg
with ikengas r25 offhand, 1143 tp, 1924 hp: 583 dmg

is there something that makes spirits vary..? was just doing whatever garbage was outside east saruta

Were you single wielding when you didn't have ikengas offhand and therefore got fencer bonuses?

derp, that'd do it

1167 tp, 1924 hp: 360

so it definitely works

Thanks for confirming, puts it into a very rare class of weapon

All augs are on BG now. Thank you Chia for getting this for us update night. Also thanks to the user ‎Tyconus for doing most of the work.