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 Siren.Delirium
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By Siren.Delirium 2009-11-02 13:39:45
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Okay so I just bought a Harpe and i'm wondering what your guys opinions on it are vs. Sirocco Kukri. Either way my main/off hand is Blau Dolch so here it the math...

Harpe Sirocco
DMG 35 26
Delay 210 150
DPS 10 10.4

dual wield reduction 15%

Harpe + Blau Dolch
DMG 35+33=68
Delay (210+178).85=329.8
DPS 12.37

Blau Dolch + Sirocco Kukri
DMG 33+26=59
Delay (178+150).85=278.8
DPS 12.69

I know that Sirocco Kukri generates slightly more DPS vs. Harpe but the Harpe will pump out higher WSs then Blau Dolch main. Just looking for Opinions on these dagger combinations.

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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2009-11-02 13:48:04
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THF is a DoT job, so WS DPS is a less significant portion of your damage than TP phase damage. You're better off with the Blau/SK combo to improve DoT with minimal sacrifices to WS damage.
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By Unicorn.Excesspain 2009-11-02 13:52:05
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BD/SK with a decent Haste setup will out do Harpe/SK and gain TP faster.

Get a Suppanomimi to for your TP build as well.
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2009-11-02 13:52:05
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Blau/SK
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2009-11-02 13:53:01
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Unicorn.Excesspain said:
with a decent Haste setup

An equiv amount of haste will affect both sets of weapons the exact same. Haste has 0 to do w/ it.
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By Siren.Delirium 2009-11-02 16:54:09
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Fairy.Vegetto said:
Unicorn.Excesspain said:
with a decent Haste setup
An equiv amount of haste will affect both sets of weapons the exact same. Haste has 0 to do w/ it.


yeah that's why i didnt factor in haste to the dps.

Unicorn.Excesspain said:
Get a Suppanomimi to for your TP build as well.


pick up groups have failed me consistently on Ark Angels. 0/4
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-11-02 16:55:57
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Harpe/merc kris! Beat that tp gain
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By Siren.Delirium 2009-11-02 16:57:40
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Ramuh.Dasva said:
Harpe/merc kris! Beat that tp gain


LOL but not what i asked for
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By Ifrit.Jurai 2009-11-02 17:10:24
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If I'm actually using THF/NIN in a place that I need to do my best TPing/DoT etc.. gonna use Blau/Sir obviously. When farming in the Tree, doing FoV, Merits or whatever.. I like doing higher WS DMG because it's more fun I think and DoT doesn't really matter- so I use Azoth(Harpe with extra stats)/Blau.
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By Siren.Delirium 2009-11-02 17:20:01
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A 0.32 DPS increase over 1 minute or 60 seconds is a 19.2 increase, but that is assuming you're not WSing and just PURE melee.

Now obviously DMG35 vs. DMG33 isnt that much of an increase in WS damage either.

I'm still testing it out to see which i prefer to use. Of course that 300k (on siren) could go towards something else....
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By Asura.Shamaya 2009-11-04 01:34:01
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Blau/SK easily pretty much always.

Don't forget that lower delay usually = better tp gain(this is a generalization but for our purposes, true). Tp/Hit is lower with lower delay weapons too, but (Tp/Hit)/time is still better. It just has to do with the way the formula works out.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-11-04 02:20:57
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Siren.Delirium said:
A 0.32 DPS increase over 1 minute or 60 seconds is a 19.2 increase, but that is assuming you're not WSing and just PURE melee. Now obviously DMG35 vs. DMG33 isnt that much of an increase in WS damage either. I'm still testing it out to see which i prefer to use. Of course that 300k (on siren) could go towards something else....

Well for 1 chances are you will do some less then 33dmg hits. Not many but still. Also you effectively get another 1 from higher fstr cap on ws.
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By Gilgamesh.Anze 2009-11-12 12:03:08
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The SK have an additionnal effect wind damage as well. It doesn't occurs so often but that's better that nothing, I think...
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By Siren.Enternius 2009-11-12 12:04:27
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Gilgamesh.Anze said:
It doesn't occurs so often
It occurs 100% of the time, no exceptions.
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By Hades.Kvazz 2009-11-12 12:09:59
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Gilgamesh.Anze said:
The SK have an additionnal effect wind damage as well. It doesn't occurs so often but that's better that nothing, I think...

I've never seen this not proc.
It's 100%, or atleast very very close to.
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By Remora.Laphine 2009-11-12 12:19:11
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Its not just dot, blau/sk has an incredible tp gain... so you are hitting more often and doing ws more often as well.

And yeah, the wind damage is 100% unless you are fighting stuff that resists wind.

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By Pandemonium.Despain 2009-11-13 18:07:43
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That wind damage is often overlooked.
Gilgamesh.Anze said:
The SK have an additionnal effect wind damage as well. It doesn't occurs so often but that's better that nothing, I think...

I'm sorry, what?

Blau/SK is the best way to go.
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2009-11-13 18:20:16
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Blau/X's at birds
Blau/SK else
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2010-01-06 15:06:59
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Did you just say Blau/X's?
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By Siren.Enternius 2010-01-06 15:08:30
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He didn't JUST say it, no. It was almost two months ago.

And X's Knife does work offhand, if that's what you're getting at.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-01-06 15:10:04
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Supposedly it doesn't work on SA/TA offhand though
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2010-01-06 15:21:20
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It does work off hand, and I was getting to the fact that the X's has a base DMG of 34 and the blau has a base DMG of 33 during WS.

And it was a figure of speech. Lighten up.
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By Lakshmi.Zaps 2010-01-06 15:28:41
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now for the question:

Pharpe / blau or
Pharpe / sirocco or
Blau / sirocco

think of a merit situation where acc isn't an issue. (and skadi legs so blau/sirocco gets 5tp~ a hit)

i know whats worked best for me, just seeing what other opinions are.
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2010-01-06 15:53:38
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I use P.harpe/blau for epeen purposes, but from what I understand, it parses nearly identical to Blau/Sirocco.

P.harpe/sirocco is lol.
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2010-01-06 15:55:06
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Lakshmi.Zaps said:
now for the question:

Pharpe / blau or
Pharpe / sirocco or
Blau / sirocco

think of a merit situation where acc isn't an issue. (and skadi legs so blau/sirocco gets 5tp~ a hit)

i know whats worked best for me, just seeing what other opinions are.
Blau / sirocco
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-01-06 15:58:05
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Pharpe/merc kris...
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2010-01-06 16:01:27
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Mkris is dire for THF :(
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By Remora.Abriel 2010-01-06 16:04:04
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why use M.kris on thf when they can get 100% tp before an ability is ready, while splitting them? =(
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-01-06 16:04:15
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Psh don't knock it till you've tried it.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-01-06 16:05:58
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Remora.Abriel said:
why use M.kris on thf when they can get 100% tp before an ability is ready, while splitting them? =(
Good luck doing that without lots of outside haste. I can do that solo as is. Not like my non SA/TA DE are that bad.
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