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20th anniversary expectations...
Ya'll have a good day. I lost enough brain cells from reading this today.
Draylo said: » I sometimes wonder if the guy who did that POL intro song was the one that announced Adoulin in a trailer. They kept him locked in the basement for 13 years just to have him come out and say "Vahnuh-deaaaal" in that trailer. Siren.Sandraa said: » I said I'm betting on an abyssea/Escha type DLC with RoV style quests and maybe an "Official Optimization", they are called "Remaster" Do you think it is fair and correct you get insulted, for that?. If you consider what was said as an insult then: yes. Siren.Sandraa said: » I am infinitely grateful to dgvoodoo, for having improved the performance of the game, but it has never removed the LAG in dynamis divergence, omen, with more than 12 players at the same time. It's purpose isn't to reduce lag. Again, you prove that you understand nothing of what you're talking about. Siren.Sandraa said: » Obviously we can't compare dgvoodoo vs an official remaster either. Nobody ever has. Siren.Sandraa said: » Now we are going to play at being Logic. Can you play at being English first?* Siren.Sandraa said: » Since 2019 they are announcing that something "IMPORTANT" is expected for the 20th anniversary, it has already been ANNOUNCED that the stream for the anniversary presentation will last 5 hours. Do you think square enix is going to bother to warn their players years in advance and make such a long stream, to announce that next month "ambuscade will have quadavs & orcs"? This is SE, hope for nothing and then you won't be disappointed is the route to go. Siren.Sandraa said: » Do you think square enix is going to bother to warn their players years in advance and make such a long stream, to announce that next month "ambuscade will have quadavs & orcs"? Asura.Skyekitty
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Sandraa, as Geriond eloquently schooled me in earlier, the announcement has nothing to do with content. So don't make my mistake and look too deep into their statements. Years have taught us not get hopes up. "Big" doesn't mean content.
Also, it is likely the live stream is interviews and maybe some behind the scenes in how they created content for 20 years (mostly the first 5-10). It may share some more lore or ideas they considered but never took flight. They will also likely share a roadmap for future "content" and how they will approach certain ideas, concerns, feedback, etc. in the future. Lastly, try not to anger so easily. Forums definitely have aggressors but usually it is feedback without intonation that gets interpreted a certain way in our minds. If you are going to put your ideas out there, have thicker skin to take the criticism. Sometimes you might draw the wrong attention to your message and sometimes the person responding might not use the best words and it provokes you. When both happen, it is like a challenge to express opinions stronger, but really just move on. Also, you didn't ask for advice, so I get that too. Jetacku:
Dude, Sandraa's location is Spain. Did you notice that little flag next to their name? English isn't that person's first language... Ugh, every thread here becomes a dumpster fire, it seems. Fenrir.Velner said: » Jetacku: Dude, Sandraa's location is Spain. Did you notice that little flag next to their name? English isn't that person's first language... Ugh, every thread here becomes a dumpster fire, it seems. I noticed. Even if it is accurate (you can set your flag at what you want) it's no excuse for the sheer level of righteous ignorance. Leviathan.Celebrindal
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Fenrir.Velner said: » Jetacku: Dude, Sandraa's location is Spain. Did you notice that little flag next to their name? English isn't that person's first language... Ugh, every thread here becomes a dumpster fire, it seems. I find it incredibly hard to believe that this is merely an ESL issue. This is a complete lack of understanding that SE is a business and the player is just a customer. There isn't the demand from within to remaster anything, there isn't the money for it, and to talk with such certainty about how they're sure SE is going to remaster the game, release classic 75-cap servers, new jobs are coming, or any other change that we've only previously seen in purchasable expansions is just childish and self-centered. Its been said nice a dozen times or more. Truth is those thinking this will feel like the old days of SE dropping ToAU on us or the like need some harsh reality. You enjoy a dying game. Do what you do when you visit your grandma in the home- enjoy the time left, but be realistic that the time is limited and you're not going waterskiing with her any time again. Siren.Sandraa said: » Jetackuu said: » It's purpose isn't to reduce lag. Again, you prove that you understand nothing of what you're talking about. Yes, especially because I was the only one who said that if a remaster is made by passing the code to a more modern DX interface, the hardware of your PC could be used better. FFXI only uses "Only One Core" and overloads the entire game process to that single core, to top it off. Modern hardware is put to "IDLE" due to low load on "GPU" AND "All other cores" putting FFXI in low priority. Causing even more LAG, so you have to use another "Program" which forces the game to be in above-normal priority. dgvoodoo. "EXCLUSIVELY" adds DX11/DX12 features in "old" applications. In no way is "dgvoodoo" is getting into the "Deepest coding Pillars of FFXI", overwriting, fixing errors, bugs, plus trying to pass FFXI with all its expansions to a "NATIVE" DX12, not simple features. Where are your technical data or his? I can also come to say that with dgvoodoo I can run FFXI on my E-SPORT 360HZ monitor at 357 FPS and do dynamis divergence wave 3 with 18 people. No lag right? Finally, I treat you as you treat me, if you treat me with respect I will give you that, if you insult or offend me I will answer to you on that way. Again, sit down, you have no idea what you're talking about. Dgvoodoo does nothing of the sort. Siren.Sandraa said: » dgvoodoo. "EXCLUSIVELY" adds DX11/DX12 features in "old" applications. this is the only correct thing you've said, it's purpose is to not "reduce lag" No amount of dgvoodoo or hardware is going to reduce the lag from dynamis, are you inept? (rhetorical) You're conflating processing issues due to unoptimized code and the complete insanity that is the packet structure and processing of the game. "Thorny" could explain this way better than I ever could, but he's right, you must be special. Respect is earned, it's your choice whether to be offended or not. Grow up. Siren.Sandraa said: » He actually turned FFXI into wow-modern 2.0 Asura.Jyubeii said: » abyssea was 12 years ago, time to move on Yet in almost everything you stated is objectively false. Grow up.
We don't need to "refute you step by step" it's public knowledge of what this stuff does and how it works, you're just blatantly wrong. 1. Irrelevant on modern OS. 2. Irrelevant for over a decade, even if once accurate (people constantly boost above the expected resolutions and framerate). 3. Factually inaccurate and conflating issues. 4. It is, objectively 5. It's never going to happen so entirely moot to talk about. Get bent, or get help. I advise you to get a clue. Sure you do, kid. You have no idea what you're talking about. Siren.Sandraa said: » 1.- I lied when I said that FFXI only uses "ONE SINGLE CORE" to load the whole process Siren.Sandraa said: » 2.- That FFXI uses the GPU minimally Siren.Sandraa said: » 3.- That the modern HW is put in IDLE because FFXI uses so few resources and puts the process in low-priority causing more lag Siren.Sandraa said: » 4.- That the information I said about dgvoodoo is incorrect. Quote: Maybe they will pass the "very old code" to a newer DX, which would allow FFXI to use modern hardware more efficiently, also use high speed broadband in data transmission, this would make FFXI Siren.Sandraa said: » 5.- If Square enix makes a "remaster-official" passing FFXI to native DX12, there would be no improvement in the way in which FFXI would use the resources of your modern hw I did not initially mean my comment as an insult, there are many demeaning terms for a lack of intelligence. I could have said 'idiot', 'pendejo', or any of the other insults you've thrown at other forum members. I said 'severe mental impairment', which is a medical term. You were offended by the content of my statement, not the language. Upon realizing you speak english as a second language, I have no problem retracting it. Part of what you've said is accurate. You are clearly not a game developer, nor are you knowledgable about FFXI, but you are probably not mentally deficient either. That was rude of me. Siren.Sandraa said: » I do not advise you to get technical data with me Look, I have set up LEFT FOR DEAD 2 servers on linux, I have set up my private phantasy star online servers bb, even wow classic and of course I have a classic FFXI SERVER running, which I set up with months of effort Some other additions here: -Multithreading will only improve performance if the single thread is incapable of keeping up with FFXI's demands. Any recent PC has no problem keeping up with a single thread, so it's a large change to the software with no tangible benefits. Multithreading introduces race conditions and all sorts of other issues that need to be well planned and thought out. It isn't as simple as using a newer engine and getting a massive performance boost, in many cases games run stabler *because* they are single threaded, while suffering no performance loss. -The 'lag' in dynamis is not primarily framerate drops. It's a failure of the server to send the correct data due to server-side issues with their packet generation. It is not lag(a slow communication from one end to the other), nor is it a fps drop(failure of the hardware to render in time), it is a software issue. This is something that could be completely fixed on the server end with no change at all to the game client itself, if SE were willing to put the time into tracking down the cause and repairing it. I don't know what more you want from this, but it's beyond clear to everyone reading that you don't have anything more than basic knowledge of any of the things you're talking about. I jumped into the conversation in the first place because I read your post claiming changing to a newer dx would solve things(along with a whole lot of other ridiculous ideas), and wanted to clarify that dgvoodoo is already changing to a newer dx. Clearly you meant a full rewrite, so that particular point is a difference of opinion not a difference of understanding. I'm not going to waste any further time on this argument, you are entitled to want these things. I don't believe they would help the game, and I certainly don't believe there's even the slightest chance of SE ever doing them. Siren.Sandraa said: » Jetackuu said: » Yet in almost everything you stated is objectively false. Grow up. We don't need to "refute you step by step" it's public knowledge of what this stuff does and how it works, you're just blatantly wrong. 1. Irrelevant on modern OS. 2. Irrelevant for over a decade, even if once accurate (people constantly boost above the expected resolutions and framerate). 3. Factually inaccurate and conflating issues. 4. It is, objectively 5. It's never going to happen so entirely moot to talk about. Get bent, or get help. I advise you to get a clue. Sure you do, kid. You have no idea what you're talking about. Owned You couldn't refute anything because "You don't know anything about the subject" Inform yourself and when you know what I am talking about, we will debate. There's nothing to debate, you are blatantly wrong. But sure, I'll listen to some random dude instead of the Windower/Ashita devs on how XI works. Sit down, kid. You shouldn't be messing with your priority. You still don't know what you're talking about.
Siren.Sandraa said: » Shiva.Thorny said: » Siren.Sandraa said: » 1.- I lied when I said that FFXI only uses "ONE SINGLE CORE" to load the whole process Siren.Sandraa said: » 2.- That FFXI uses the GPU minimally Siren.Sandraa said: » 3.- That the modern HW is put in IDLE because FFXI uses so few resources and puts the process in low-priority causing more lag Siren.Sandraa said: » 4.- That the information I said about dgvoodoo is incorrect. Quote: Maybe they will pass the "very old code" to a newer DX, which would allow FFXI to use modern hardware more efficiently, also use high speed broadband in data transmission, this would make FFXI Siren.Sandraa said: » 5.- If Square enix makes a "remaster-official" passing FFXI to native DX12, there would be no improvement in the way in which FFXI would use the resources of your modern hw I did not initially mean my comment as an insult, there are many demeaning terms for a lack of intelligence. I could have said 'idiot', 'pendejo', or any of the other insults you've thrown at other forum members. I said 'severe mental impairment', which is a medical term. You were offended by the content of my statement, not the language. Upon realizing you speak english as a second language, I have no problem retracting it. Part of what you've said is accurate. You are clearly not a game developer, nor are you knowledgable about FFXI, but you are probably not mentally deficient either. That was rude of me. Siren.Sandraa said: » I do not advise you to get technical data with me Look, I have set up LEFT FOR DEAD 2 servers on linux, I have set up my private phantasy star online servers bb, even wow classic and of course I have a classic FFXI SERVER running, which I set up with months of effort Some other additions here: -Multithreading will only improve performance if the single thread is incapable of keeping up with FFXI's demands. Any recent PC has no problem keeping up with a single thread, so it's a large change to the software with no tangible benefits. Multithreading introduces race conditions and all sorts of other issues that need to be well planned and thought out. It isn't as simple as using a newer engine and getting a massive performance boost, in many cases games run stabler *because* they are single threaded, while suffering no performance loss. -The 'lag' in dynamis is not primarily framerate drops. It's a failure of the server to send the correct data due to server-side issues with their packet generation. It is not lag(a slow communication from one end to the other), nor is it a fps drop(failure of the hardware to render in time), it is a software issue. This is something that could be completely fixed on the server end with no change at all to the game client itself, if SE were willing to put the time into tracking down the cause and repairing it. I don't know what more you want from this, but it's beyond clear to everyone reading that you don't have anything more than basic knowledge of any of the things you're talking about. I jumped into the conversation in the first place because I read your post claiming changing to a newer dx would solve things(along with a whole lot of other ridiculous ideas), and wanted to clarify that dgvoodoo is already changing to a newer dx. Clearly you meant a full rewrite, so that particular point is a difference of opinion not a difference of understanding. I'm not going to waste any further time on this argument, you are entitled to want these things. I don't believe they would help the game, and I certainly don't believe there's even the slightest chance of SE ever doing them. Shiva.Thorny said: » Siren.Sandraa said: » 1.- I lied when I said that FFXI only uses "ONE SINGLE CORE" to load the whole process Siren.Sandraa said: » 2.- That FFXI uses the GPU minimally Siren.Sandraa said: » 3.- That the modern HW is put in IDLE because FFXI uses so few resources and puts the process in low-priority causing more lag Siren.Sandraa said: » 4.- That the information I said about dgvoodoo is incorrect. Quote: Maybe they will pass the "very old code" to a newer DX, which would allow FFXI to use modern hardware more efficiently, also use high speed broadband in data transmission, this would make FFXI Siren.Sandraa said: » 5.- If Square enix makes a "remaster-official" passing FFXI to native DX12, there would be no improvement in the way in which FFXI would use the resources of your modern hw I did not initially mean my comment as an insult, there are many demeaning terms for a lack of intelligence. I could have said 'idiot', 'pendejo', or any of the other insults you've thrown at other forum members. I said 'severe mental impairment', which is a medical term. You were offended by the content of my statement, not the language. Upon realizing you speak english as a second language, I have no problem retracting it. Part of what you've said is accurate. You are clearly not a game developer, nor are you knowledgable about FFXI, but you are probably not mentally deficient either. That was rude of me. Siren.Sandraa said: » I do not advise you to get technical data with me Look, I have set up LEFT FOR DEAD 2 servers on linux, I have set up my private phantasy star online servers bb, even wow classic and of course I have a classic FFXI SERVER running, which I set up with months of effort Some other additions here: -Multithreading will only improve performance if the single thread is incapable of keeping up with FFXI's demands. Any recent PC has no problem keeping up with a single thread, so it's a large change to the software with no tangible benefits. Multithreading introduces race conditions and all sorts of other issues that need to be well planned and thought out. It isn't as simple as using a newer engine and getting a massive performance boost, in many cases games run stabler *because* they are single threaded, while suffering no performance loss. -The 'lag' in dynamis is not primarily framerate drops. It's a failure of the server to send the correct data due to server-side issues with their packet generation. It is not lag(a slow communication from one end to the other), nor is it a fps drop(failure of the hardware to render in time), it is a software issue. This is something that could be completely fixed on the server end with no change at all to the game client itself, if SE were willing to put the time into tracking down the cause and repairing it. I don't know what more you want from this, but it's beyond clear to everyone reading that you don't have anything more than basic knowledge of any of the things you're talking about. I jumped into the conversation in the first place because I read your post claiming changing to a newer dx would solve things(along with a whole lot of other ridiculous ideas), and wanted to clarify that dgvoodoo is already changing to a newer dx. Clearly you meant a full rewrite, so that particular point is a difference of opinion not a difference of understanding. I'm not going to waste any further time on this argument, you are entitled to want these things. I don't believe they would help the game, and I certainly don't believe there's even the slightest chance of SE ever doing them. Well you do know what I'm talking about and we "agree" on many points. If you hadn't insulted me, I would never have responded like that. The only point where I don't quite agree with you is on the GPU I had a 1080 gforce for many years and sadly not even 10% of the GPU was used and sometimes in Bastok-Markets my favorite city. The FPS drops even more even with dgvoodoo the GPU was used 3% or less. Now I have a Gforce 3080 and my performance on windows 11 is worse. The program I used to force FFXI to "High-priority" doesn't work. Sometimes dgvoodoo crashes. I do my LS events on the PC with windows 10 to avoid problems I apologize to you for over-reacting if we had started discussing the drama it would have been avoided. Leviathan.Celebrindal said: » Fenrir.Velner said: » Jetacku: Dude, Sandraa's location is Spain. Did you notice that little flag next to their name? English isn't that person's first language... Ugh, every thread here becomes a dumpster fire, it seems. I find it incredibly hard to believe that this is merely an ESL issue. This is a complete lack of understanding that SE is a business and the player is just a customer. There isn't the demand from within to remaster anything, there isn't the money for it, and to talk with such certainty about how they're sure SE is going to remaster the game, release classic 75-cap servers, new jobs are coming, or any other change that we've only previously seen in purchasable expansions is just childish and self-centered. Its been said nice a dozen times or more. Truth is those thinking this will feel like the old days of SE dropping ToAU on us or the like need some harsh reality. You enjoy a dying game. Do what you do when you visit your grandma in the home- enjoy the time left, but be realistic that the time is limited and you're not going waterskiing with her any time again. That's really not the point. I didn't quote because of the massive wall of text but I am specifically referring to Jetacku saying of Sandraa "Can you play at English first" in a response which is such a stupid and toxic thing to say to somebody arguing with you in a second language. Fenrir.Velner said: » Leviathan.Celebrindal said: » Fenrir.Velner said: » Jetacku: Dude, Sandraa's location is Spain. Did you notice that little flag next to their name? English isn't that person's first language... Ugh, every thread here becomes a dumpster fire, it seems. I find it incredibly hard to believe that this is merely an ESL issue. This is a complete lack of understanding that SE is a business and the player is just a customer. There isn't the demand from within to remaster anything, there isn't the money for it, and to talk with such certainty about how they're sure SE is going to remaster the game, release classic 75-cap servers, new jobs are coming, or any other change that we've only previously seen in purchasable expansions is just childish and self-centered. Its been said nice a dozen times or more. Truth is those thinking this will feel like the old days of SE dropping ToAU on us or the like need some harsh reality. You enjoy a dying game. Do what you do when you visit your grandma in the home- enjoy the time left, but be realistic that the time is limited and you're not going waterskiing with her any time again. That's really not the point. I didn't quote because of the massive wall of text but I am specifically referring to Jetacku saying of Sandraa "Can you play at English first" in a response which is such a stupid and toxic thing to say to somebody arguing with you in a second language. It isn't, but please, go on. Ok but we don't have to be pessimistic all the time. Its fine if yall think they wont ever do an expansion or anything for this game, but there are realistic reasons to hope they will. People feel happy speculating at what could be, I don't see the harm. At the end of the day this game is for profit, and its still making them profit. I personally am hoping for an expansion and I know my expectations are way too high, but its not fair. The grandma isn't dead yet, she can do another expansion.
You can want it, but what have you done to earn it.
You've done nothing but confirm that what they're doing is good enough. You won't even ruffle the edges. Youre right, we need to get a petition going
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