Official BLM Epeen Vs SCH Epeen Thread!! Keep These Fights Clean!

ACtually the vid is in here and you don't overall double the dmg. You double the dot in exchange for half the duration. Depending on when tics occcur and and when you use MV that comes out to 2*1/2~1. Howerver fully merited you only have 3/4 duration so you get about 1.5 the dmg and if you get super lucky with lots of schs and get it them all on one tick yeah eventually your straight up doubling. Theres already lots of discussion on how incredibly hard that is.

You are right, that was irresponsible of me.

I'm sorry if I offended any SCHs with this post. You are not lol at all, well, some of you aren't at least.

It's simple if you have six atomic clocks...

nvm... it's hard

9 atomic clocks.

And the room for error is (if my math is close) .000032544 seconds. Meaning if anyone screws up, you are ***.

So yeah, don't see this happening.

Timing isn't that tight. That'd be impossible even if you had like 9 computers linked together connected directly to the ffxi servers lol.

The room for error for 9 SCHs is 4.505 seconds.

The room for error for 18 SCHs is .338 seconds.

Meaning even if you had a full alliance, it's still technically doable with good timing.

It's been argued to death (even in here) about the overall difference between SCH and BLM (or RDM or WHM), and guess what, there's never going to be a winner in this argument. So much of it depends on the player using the job, personal preference, other jobs in the party/alliance, situation, or just straight stubbornness. Go with whichever one YOU think is best, stfu, and post some goddamn damage screenshots.

Besides, BLM performs better with a SCH in the party anyway.

As for the Nyzul debate, since I go to nyzul as blu, my statics personal preference is brd and rdm as support, we have tried sch (our rdm is a very well geared sch and we have enough jobs amongst us to try most combinations) and while it's nice, and offers some neat things, the only one real advantage we've found for it is stona, which we overcome by having the brd and rdm buy cleric's drinks, which also help out on soulflayers if needed.

So Korpg I was thinking of ways to increase dmg solo on blm. Besides what I've already stated I was thinking self skillchain for another 30% more dmg well for 2 step and another 10% if using static earring and relic gloves though really that is a marginal increase over 5MAB hands or earring. And of course ending the skillchain with Vidohunir Which will inflict -10% magic defense down. Interestingly enough this ws is modded by int and MAB according to wiki... weird. Anyways can you think of anything else?

That's 9 fully merited SCH's though isn't it? Besides, any more than 9 and you're screwing yourself over, since 9 is enough to one shot AV. The main issue though is that every SCH there has to hit it at the exact right time, one goes a little early and duration is shortened too soon and you won't get off that all important last DoT tick, one goes too late and the tick won't do enough damage.

But, like everyone else in this debate, that's just going off what I've heard and eye-balling it, until someone (shell) gets this down to kill something real, it's still not really a viable solution to anything.

Thanks for the correction, my math is fuzzy atm (late for me, I should be going to bed)
Wow, so it is possible for an Australian to give good advice, even though it still comes out to be in an ***-ish way. And here I was, thinking they were all dumb *** (based by historical reference).

eww, that would mean I would have to unlock that weapon....

...wait, how would a BLM self-skillchain? That would mean we would have to melee and there goes the sleep/nuke method, or the kiting method....

Well that and even if you hit the button at the same time theres your computers and internet connection. Also most the testing and theory is based on the 10sec tic not the ~60 duration so the room for error is even lower. And according to the people that managed the UFO kill the tics occur at different times based on the mob so you have to find out when the tic will occur on the mob before you cast so you can land the helix right after the tic and get all the MVs off before another tic can would've occured

....and then, he opened his mouth and gave false information again....

...Blazza, please do your research.

10 SCHs have already tested this one-shot method on AV.

They got it down to 76%.

Didn't one-shot him at all.

Hey if hes gunna use sch/blm why can't I use blm/sam!?! Oh yeah seigin Third eye baby. Oh yes and I have meleed on blm doing this lol. Besides can sleep put buffs up then pow right in the kisser!

[quote=Dasva]So Korpg I was thinking of ways to increase dmg solo on blm. Besides what I've already stated I was thinking self skillchain for another 30% more dmg well for 2 step and another 10% if using static earring and relic gloves though really that is a marginal increase over 5MAB hands or earring. And of course ending the skillchain with Vidohunir Which will inflict -10% magic defense down. Interestingly enough this ws is modded by int and MAB according to wiki... weird. Anyways can you think of anything else?[/Dasva]

Lolmeleeblm. Even if you did do this you'd have to have another BLM doing the SC though as your spell won't cast fast enough after completing it. Although you could do Vidohunir > Death Blossom, which will create distortion and lower magic defence and evasion. I wanna see someone do this just for the lulz.

Couple of random questions, I know the more steps there are in a SC the higher damage of the SC itself, but that doesn't effect the MB potential all does it?

Obis: An elemental Obi guarantees the bonus from day and/or weather (correct?), but isn't that damage already possible, but just with a low %'age? As such, if you're going for the one all time greatest nuke, wouldn't you be able to reach higher numbers WITHOUT the obi if your spell just happens to get the bonus from day/weather?

They missed only like 6 or so got off. Do the math. 9 schs is 2^9*helix dmg. or 512*helix dmg. Seeing as AV has only 66k hp that means you only need to land a 129 helix for 9 schs to do it. Pretty easy if you all out gear and etude and int potion ebullience etc. Probably hit more like 200something really which is way over kill

or you could just inv a sam.

Not even a really low percentage. It's 33% without obis and 100% with.

That being said, yes, if you got lucky on weather proc, you would get more damage with Sorcerer's Belt. But you'd have to do 3 (Possibly more) to guarantee weather proc, and with a BRD doing SV Etudes and a BLM self-skillchaining (Meaning using an Icarus Wing), that would take you 6 hours on average to get that nuke without Obi.

I would do it for the lulz. Also yes more steps equals more MB dmg. 2 step is 30% after that its another 5 more per step I think 6 steps is the most. Also yes if the greats would be just happening to get the weather/day to proc while wearing witch sash and getting the magic crit from that to proc too!!! Good luck on that.

unless, and this is SE we are talking about here....

they nerfed MV on AV only.

Like Souleater...

Something like where MV only does half damage.

Sorta defeats the purpose of finding ways of doing it solo...

I'm not going to pretend to know exactly how much MDB or INT Absolute Virtue has, but I stuck a 250 Helix on Zipacna solo, and Zipacna is the same level as AV. With no Etude or INT Potion or anything like that. With those kinds of crazy buffs, I'd expect roughly 400.

I think the there pimp sch only did like 200ish with all that on AV. Being AV can almost garuntee some MDB and being a decent lvl insane HNM probably has a bit of int which would probably hurt more then the MDB.

Again, this is AV we are talking about.

This is SE's lovechild.

They won't let anyone kill it easy, you got to earn that ***.

I wouldn't be surprised if AV has boosted stats beyond that of a "normal" HNM (meaning we are talking about 150 each stat and automatic elemental resist rate of +75 too).

Which means that the normal methods of killing a mob isn't going to work (same as MV technically, since its normal to stack MV on a UFO and killshot it).

Krapg, I have been completely civil in this thread, regardless of all the ***you spout, now for once in your *** life, would you attempt at being a human. No post I have made has been an attack on anyone, nor has it been made up ***. The reason I am posting in this thread is because I am leveling blm and am interested to see what people come up with, however, all the ***you spout makes me less and less interested in reading further. Grow the *** up and act like a human for once, and stop being a total douchbag just because you dislike me. If you have any issues with anything I post, then by all means debate it in a civil manner as I have been doing. If on the other hand, you have something against me personally and wish to abuse me for being Australian or because you just don't like me, then *** off and die instead, I don't give a ***about your racism and no-one else wants to hear your HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE bickering either. Don't even bother replying to this post because I will not respond to your ***unless it is on topic.



Here's my research: http://kanican.livejournal.com/41053.html

Since no-one has yet defeated AV (in its current version), ANYTHING anyone says regarding it is all theory.

No if you get the timing down it will work. At least the first time or 2 or 3. Even if it had 150 stat... bah I'll do some math rq

Tell that to This guy.

Defeated since the 2 hour time limit update AND the absorb update? (meaning KC drk's don't work)

When was the update in question?

He got those on June 6, 2009.

Ok lets assume we have a merit taru blm/sch. I've heard that a blm/sch only has 2 more base int then a blm/sch and as a taru with int merits mine is 85. Hell for just an example lets use Clins gear set since its decent but not OMG epeen. And we will even assume something insane like 150 mob int. Lets assume just double SV etude for outside help and like ES to counter resist. So low lvl etude gives 9 and the higher 15 without instrument so that'd be 11 and 17 with for 28*2=56 for SV double etude.

So with that Clins current set has him at 39int 21MAB with ugg active and another 24 MAB from /blm. Add on another 7 int from an assumed creme puff. And for the sake of argument say he had day and forced ice weather for another 1.2X dmg and ebullience for another 1.2 and has full SS merits for 7 more int. And add another 5 to that since we will go with ice so aquillo staff. That should put a merited taru with clins gear at 197 int and 55 MAB.

So dmg forumala will look roughly like this: D*Staff Bonus*Day | Weather Bonus*MAB/MDB=dmg Well and 1.2 for ebullience

We don't know its MDB but wiki doesn't claim anything and it usually will at least say some if there is any

Where D= V (dINT * M)
V=25 for helix
M=1 for helix spells
dint=(schint-mobint)
schint~197
mobint~150
staffbonus=1.15
weatherbonus=1.2
MAB/MDB=1.45
so (25+ (197-150)*1)*1.15*1.2*1.45*1.25*1.2= 216. Which means to be able to do the 129 needed with those conditions AV can have up to 67% MDB and 150int to still be enough.