Riot 4: Rocky Vs. Ivan

Pelosi responds to WH complaints


This is what I was saying, Pelosi is waiting on the GOP to come with an idea that can pass the Senate. They haven't done that. I don't think they can, they have so many hardliners saying no, Trump and Moscow Mitch are going to have to break away from them. The fact that they are falling apart in public only hurts their overall position.

Context matters.

Dems put out the "keep it the same" 2 months ago, and decided there will be no lowering.

Reps throwing shitty "deals" left and right are disingenuous.

How so? Moscow Mitch is on the record in saying he has 20 members that are no, Graham has said half of them are a no regardless. If we use the exact 20 number, thats 33 Yays and 20 Nays. How is that united? They can't pass anything with those numbers.

You know, I'm willing to admit that Republicans are half at fault for the gridlock. That's what the term means anyway.

Why are you so eager to not admit that your side is wrong too?

Is it ego? Is it the need to "one up those evil Republicans!"?

Because they know that anything passed in the Senate would die in the House, due to Pelosi and her robot puppets.

I guarantee you that if there was a bill that was supported by the House that gave $200/week UI benefits, those 20 Republicans would instantly and immediately switch their votes to "Yay"

There is no danger of saying what you want when nothing gets done.

That's exactly the game plan they need to not fall for.

R > "$200 a week"
D > nope. $600
R > well even if you agree to 200 it won't pass, half of us say hell no no matter what
D > fine. 200 a week it is just to show it's your fault
R > suckers. passed.
Citizens > we just got ***.

You just described Obamacare's passage, you know.

Nitpicky, "obamacare" benefit "some people"

$200 a week benefits absolutely no one.

"for the good of the many yada yada"

By making healthcare unaffordable to everyone? Who did it benefit again?

Oh right, insurance companies, the ones who donated heavily to the Ds who passed and signed that bill into law.

You know what else? $600 a week benefits nobody if people stop working.

Talk to Zimbabwe about printing useless money. Or Germany in the 1920s. There is no point in giving people money if nothing gets done.

Sure. Good for the one, bad for the rest. That's all I see from the D's proposals.

No edit button: I forgot to include the following:

There's costs to making bad decisions.

Trump wanted to pretend covid wasn't real, the price is failed economy.

The cost of that is paying $600 a week.

Would've been cheaper to do the right thing the first time, but that's funamentally unamerican.

So now it doesn't matter how much the R's bluster and lie it's on them.

Because I'm not happy with how Moscow Mitch handled this entire process. And its going to cost him in November. The Dems passed the HEROES act in early May. It was a $3T gigantasaurus that every single Republican pundit spent hours of airtime mocking. And Pelosi said fine, you don't like it? Come up with a counteroffer, and we can spend the next two months negotiating.

What did Moscow Mitch do? Say nope, we are pressing pause and reevaluating our position and the state of the pandemic as the deadline nears. May happened. Nothing. June happened. Nothing. Pandemic got worse. July happened. Pandemic got worse. It wasn't until July 21st, that Moscow Mitch finally said ok, lets start talking. Just among ourselves. We will release the bill soon. Very soon. Incredibly soon. July 27th, here is our partisan bill. 4 days to go, and its incredibly divisive among just the GOP.

And we are just here talking about UI and evictions. There is still the host of other issues: PPP, stimulus checks, money for education, money for states, money for testing, money for research, money for the FBI, oh wait that one is out. And all this is supposed to get done in 4 days? Even Moscow Mitch has offered a timeline of 2 weeks, possibly 3. So he knew they were going to miss the deadline, and the WH is trying to blame the Dems? Nah. This whole process should have started in June, at the latest.

This is "that ***"

Negotiate only the things relevant to covid. No military budget, no green new deal, no tax breaks, no slush funds.

UI. Eviction. PPP. More stimuli. Testing funds. That's it.

pass all the other ***in their own bills. This whole stuff everything possible into every bill as bargaining chips is full blown cancer.

No way. I can name 4 Republicans right now, that will vote no any unemployment extension for the rest of their careers. Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, Rob Portman, Lindsey Graham. Mike Lee and Rick Scott are also incredible longshots to flip.

For once I couldn’t agree more with Eiryl.

(this is not the first time I've said this exact thing, in so many words)

And to be clear, I understand that it is fundamentally impossible to "negotiate" without anything TO negotiate.

It is an impossibility to get both sides to agree on literally anything without something that will "make their *** hard"

No she didn't.

She accepted the initial offer because it benefited her more than any other offer the Republicans would offer, and they needed to pass it at that point.

She didn't want to look like she was holding out on the American people at the time they needed it most, nor did any Republicans did.

Now that we know the actual cost of the $600/week, the Republicans have a much stronger case to not expand it further. It's the Pelosi and her puppeteers who are holding the nation hostage with any new deal. The Republicans are just fine not passing a new bill, since the nation is recovering, regardless of what CNN/MSNBC/DNC says/wishes, and it is actually better in the long run to let it expire.

$200 is the best the Republicans will do. Take it or leave it.

Yes, but you also tend to include other things that I disagree with. That post kept to the point, and it’s a sentiment I have also expressed a number of times.

It wouldn’t even be so bad for them to occasionally include such garbage in bills that most Americans don’t care about, but in a time of crisis? I wouldn’t put past any of those bozos to intentionally include non-covid measures that they know will never pass in a million years just so they can get in front of the cameras and place blame on the other side for tanking the bill, complete with crocodile tears and claiming they’re the ones who care.

Screw ‘em all.

And this is why we're counting down to the country being burned to the ground in a matter of days.

I'm talking about the HEROES Act, not the CARES Act.

Also, Trump's reelection prospects are absolutely not fine doing nothing, and neither are the Republicans. So, leave it.

And to be clear, the GOP has not offered a flat $200 a week, they are still insisting on changing the unemployment system for all 50 states, while offering $200 a week until states get that system up and running, if they are even able to. So, Pass.

PPP and education need money, at the absolute least. Also, Trump won't choose not to send out stimulus checks. So there really is no case to be made that the GOP can just not do anything and be ok.

The funny thing is when the R and D play chicken it's us that get screwed over.

They have no "skin in the game" but they're debating OUR well being.

Something about that on the basic foundational level is flawed.

Beyond that, even when a bipartisan bill is passed, the sheep have to go out and argue over who came out the “winner”. Why does there have to be a winner? Can’t we just celebrate that Congress managed to get anything done without claiming that half of them are losers? It’s that attitude that drives them to one-up each other with unrelated garbage in their bills.

It's that "zero sum" mentality that you're all guilty of.

It's not enough to succeed. Someone has to fail to make it matter.

There is more to this country than California, Portland, Seattle, and New York....

PPP do not need more money. Things are improving, and the federal government should not subsidize states who refuse to open.

If California wants to close down until election day, by all means let them. Let their voters decide if that was the right decision. Don't punish Wisconsin for that decision.

And education is already bloated as it is. We have protesters toppling down statues of absolutists and civil rights leaders for crying out loud, all while praising the organization that a well-known racist and eugenicist started for the sole sake of her racist tendencies.

We need better education standards, the money spent on education now is just providing more idiots in society.

Give me reason to spend more money on either of those two programs, and maybe I would agree with your notion that they need funding.

You are just as guilty of it as anyone else, bub.

Not at all, unless you want to get technically semantic.

No one has to lose for me to succeed, except that if I gain a dollar it invariably had to come from someone losing it. It's not the same.

Or say: I just ate an apple, technically, 8 billion people lost the chance to eat that apple, so. yeah, in that sense.