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By Odinz 2020-03-19 08:16:08
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If this virus does get out of control, the mass deaths will be in the states with the most homeless and illegal immigrant people. So all the Democrat super majority states basically.

Not only will these people get the virus and die in large numbers due to the states not looking after them (despite being incredibly rich super democrat controlled states that could pass anything they wanted), they will spread it to everyone else and also more worrying will act as breeding grounds for the virus to mutate into more virulent strains.

It's entirely possible that all these Democrat super majority states end up being quarantined from the rest of the country due to the things I mentioned above. This of course being the worst case scenario.

Maybe the states run by "good party that cares" should do something about the homeless armies you have, now that it will impact the "normal" people.

you're looking at the correlation of the disease and deaths in the wrong way.
It is the elderly that have the highest fatality rate. Most people don't experience anything other than symptoms similair to the common cold. "80% experience mild symptoms".
Estimates are there are at least 10-15% of the population who have been infected with Covid-19, months ago, and are not even aware. That means they didn't even get sick, AT ALL.

The elderly, are the ones who experience strong symptoms, and of them only 4% are fatal.

Last time I checked, conservatives are mostly old people.

Most young people supported commie sanders, how is that working out? Seems all the older Democrats are voting for Biden and he is winning because of it.

You need to understand that a virus and a bacteria are not static entities, they can mutate easily and then can kill anyone quite happily. It's not just older people right now (btw it's really easy to see who the commie sh*theels are in this thread) that have issues btw, it's people with medical issues (anyone that has had a transplant or has underlying issues) or people who don't live in nice warm environments. As I said, it can mutate under certain situations and then kill younger people too and also there is residual damage to your lungs from any infection and this builds up making you more susceptible in the future, so lets not get smarmy about how invincible we are. There is a real reason all nations are in an utter panic about this, it's not for what it IS it is for what it CAN BE that is scaring them.

Also an amazing fact is that most younger people, have older people they love and care about. So a 21 year old doesn't usually want his mother, father, grandparents etc to die.
"Commies" ?
This isn't 1980's Reagan Hollywood brother.
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By Odinz 2020-03-19 08:17:59
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Socialism is choosing to do things because you think it's the best way to run a society.

Not socialism is doing things in reaction to wars or pandemics, during war the state takes control of the means of production. Nobody said that was embracing socialism because everyone knew it would end after these things were over.

Is this an argument for the American Healthcare system?
Do you enjoy your NHS in the UK?

Do I enjoy the months long waits for hospital visits and knowing after that visit you will wait months again after?
Do I enjoy being thankful for the lowest tier of health care and being unable to object if it's poor or if you don't like the doctor offered?
Do I enjoy having no choice?

No not really, when I need to I usually go private because waiting months or years isn't a good thing.

The US has a better health care system, the only reason people like the NHS in the UK is a) because they are used to having a low quality health option for free (akin to free to play games over paid games) or b) they are young and don't really have to use it other than for having minor issues and don't know how bad it is when that is the case.
Fair enough. Sorry to hear that. Most Brits I know cherish the NHS. Maybe its just your area?
I was in York once and got sick. Was a student and very little money. On the 3rd day I forced myself to go to the ED because I suspected it was pneumonia (and it was).
I was afraid of being turned away. The opposite happened. I wasn't allowed to leave. 3 days later I was discharged.
Compared to my experiences in New York and Virginia with the US healthcare, that was a very nice treat and warm memory for me.

Oh and btw, if you had pneumonia in the past you have scarring on your lungs (due to damage your immune system does to them while fighting off the infection). You are not far more susceptible to this virus than others your age and if you get it again, it's cumulative.
Yes, I'm well aware. I also have Asthma. So I am in the 4% risk group who might need medical attention WHEN I get it.
 
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By Ragnarok.Ozment 2020-03-19 09:22:12
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I have to say Kireek, your posts make for some entertaining reading. I was going to get on Netflix and binge some new sci-fi show, but no need. I can get all that right here.
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I didn't know everyone on the internet was an expert on viruses...must be all that time using Windows 95.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-03-19 09:55:25
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Yeah, it’s great for memes, but socialism isn’t a black and white issue. I can be anti-socialism and still be okay with a temporary stimulus just like you can be pro green energy and still take flights on airplanes. Rarely is anybody 100% all in with this kind of stuff.
Yeah that's just called Hypocrisy. Your beliefs are your beliefs so long as it is convenient. You're ok to take 1,000 USD because you need it now. But when you didn't need it, you weren't ok with others having it, when they need it.

It’s called pragmatism, and you’re wrong. I don’t need the 1,000 and I won’t be bummed if I don’t get it. The only reason I support it right now is because this is a crisis and do manny people are getting hit hard by no fault of their own.
 
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-03-19 10:24:17
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this is a crisis and do manny people are getting hit hard by no fault of their own.
You'd normally say this is subjective.

People living in relative poverty in America are hit hard, consider their lives to be in crisis and it is often no fault of their own.

Of course it’s subjective, what’s your point? Can you guys really not see the difference between one or two payments to help a vast population through an especially rough crisis and a permanent universal income?
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By Garuda.Chanti 2020-03-19 10:28:59
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Kireek, the reason we are so reliant on China for manufacturing ... well, not just our drugs, but basically everything is because of the capitalist overlords seeking the lowest labor costs no mater what the social costs are.

Also despite 80% or more of our drugs coming from China, India leads the world in producing counterfeit drugs.

If you dislike your NHS so much I invite you to immigrate to the US once the current pandemic lockdowns are over. You too can pay through the nose for private insurance that will then deny your claims.
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Trump is a populist, as such he does care and is sending means tested money (<$100k salary) out to the people of the nation hit by the virus to cover expenses during this time. The Democrat leadership opposes it.

Cite a Dem leader saying they oppose the idea of sending out checks.
 
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By Viciouss 2020-03-19 11:05:15
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Rav, why did you throw that kireek post a like? It doesn't show Schumer opposing the idea of sending out checks. Its a 2 min clip of Schumer calling for action.
 
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-03-19 11:18:56
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this is a crisis and so many people are getting hit hard by no fault of their own.
You'd normally say this is subjective.

People living in relative poverty in America are hit hard, consider their lives to be in crisis and it is often no fault of their own.

Of course it’s subjective, what’s your point? Can you guys really not see the difference between one or two payments to help a vast population through an especially rough crisis and a permanent universal income?
My comment is not related to UBI, but the specific point you are raising here. You are saying it you are fine to give out free money for what you deem to be a crisis, for people hard hit, and when it is not their fault.

I am suggesting you consider those variables from another person's perspective, given that you accept that these are subjective.

And I support various forms of government assistance for the poor in normal times, within reason, and I donate a good chunk of my paycheck every year to charity. What exactly am I not considering?
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