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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-04-18 14:38:46
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
Paying a debt doesn't help you through this tough time. Shouldn't be able to do it at all.

There's no positive outcome. If you owed 10k yesterday owing 8.8k doesn't put you in any better position today. and any business you owed it to is supposed to bail themselves out with grants and loans.

Easier said than done in many cases. People who are defaulting on debt tend to be in a "tough time" regardless of pandemic status, but we can't just make collecting debts illegal. I do agree that there should be some kind of relief, but I'm not riding the extremes on this one.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-04-18 14:44:17
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See they are going extreme though.

I don't know the numbers, but if you made $1200 in March normally, debt collectors could garnish... what %? It's certainly not 100%.

If you get this $1200 that's "supposed" to be for rent, food, etc, they can take 100%. There's no justification for that.
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By Viciouss 2020-04-18 15:04:22
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I think the loudest complaint has been private debt collectors can go right into your bank account and garnish the stimulus checks. These are certainly extraordinary circumstances by any metric, so we should pump the brakes on that a bit.

Makes sense in theory, but wouldn't it be difficult to differentiate stimulus money from other money when the garnishments are on bank accounts in general? It would probably be taking it too far to say that no garnishments can take place whatsoever, so what you'd probably end up with is an extremely convoluted middle-ground law.

Not really, my direct deposit clearly says its from the IRS, so it would be pretty easy to differentiate.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-04-18 15:33:41
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I think the loudest complaint has been private debt collectors can go right into your bank account and garnish the stimulus checks. These are certainly extraordinary circumstances by any metric, so we should pump the brakes on that a bit.

Makes sense in theory, but wouldn't it be difficult to differentiate stimulus money from other money when the garnishments are on bank accounts in general? It would probably be taking it too far to say that no garnishments can take place whatsoever, so what you'd probably end up with is an extremely convoluted middle-ground law.

Not really, my direct deposit clearly says its from the IRS, so it would be pretty easy to differentiate.

No, that's not what I mean. I'll give a simple explanation.

You've got a dollar. You receive a one dollar stimulus. Rent is a dollar. You pay it, and you have a dollar left. Which dollar is left? The stimulus dollar or the other dollar? You don't get to choose, it's just a pool of money.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-04-18 15:38:35
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They take both before you can spend the first one!
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-04-18 17:26:54
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lol. Who do you think.

But watch this one;

No he didn't, only the people he tells what to do did, so he didn't do it.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-04-18 17:53:22
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Who decided who can take it and for what reasons?

Congress where explicitly stated, otherwise defaulting to applicable laws and regulations that are already in place.

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That whole scenario makes no sense in the circumstances. Child care is the more agreeable one of the options because at least the children theoretically get more help then, but we all know that would mostly be spent by the mothers and on crack etc.

Well, the crack goes without saying. It's an American tradition. In fact, if you rearrange the letters of "United States of America" you get "I love crack cocaine".

In fact, when Congress was writing all this, they originally were going to make it $1000 per adult, but then one of them realized that it wasn't enough when you take into account the cost of crack, so they looked at how much they each used in a month and it averaged out to $200. It also explains the amount of pork and other nonsense in the package. It's not that they were trying to be sneaky, it's that they didn't remember what bill they were writing because of all the crack.

(This is my head canon now and nobody can take that away from me.)
 
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Who decided who can take it and for what reasons?
Congress where explicitly stated, otherwise defaulting to applicable laws and regulations that are already in place....
In this case it was a Treasury regulation EXCEPT for child support garnishment. That was in the bill.
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By Ragnarok.Ozment 2020-04-18 23:56:54
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So much for that aggregate, Trump continues to tailspin.
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The aggregate is at pretty much the same spot as when I last mentioned it. This is nowhere near a “tailspin”. Large spikes are often accompanied by corrective movement in the opposite direction as the aggregate shifts towards the mean. It hasn’t even dipped below the bottom point of his most recent spike. Learn how trends work over time before prematurely declaring victory every time it moves in your favored direction.
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Polls are crap to me. The combination of a segment of society that more than likely doesn't represent the whole of their own area, let alone the entirety of the US, along with how the questions are worded will give you whatever result you desire.
 
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Polls in a time of extreme partisanship and left wing media demonization are worthless.
Fixed.
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Polls are crap to me. The combination of a segment of society that more than likely doesn't represent the whole of their own area, let alone the entirety of the US, along with how the questions are worded will give you whatever result you desire.

Yeah, I'm not exactly thrilled with the current state of polling. I don't trust any one outfit, but the aggregates can be useful for trend watching if you understand the underlying methodologies. Realclearpolitics is nice because they just give straight-up averages whereas Fivethirtyeight screws with the numbers. Given the choice, I'll take the more pure data every time.
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Malaria drugs fail to help coronavirus patients in controlled studies
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There was never any expectation that a drug used to treat malaria was going to be effective against a brand new covid. Of course its not working. It was just false hope being peddled by a desperate fool.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-04-19 13:37:59
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There was never any expectation that a drug used to treat malaria was going to be effective against a brand new covid. Of course its not working. It was just false hope being peddled by a desperate fool.

Much more sinister than that, it's strictly about money.
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »

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The aggregate is at pretty much the same spot as when I last mentioned it. This is nowhere near a “tailspin”. Large spikes are often accompanied by corrective movement in the opposite direction as the aggregate shifts towards the mean. It hasn’t even dipped below the bottom point of his most recent spike. Learn how trends work over time before prematurely declaring victory every time it moves in your favored direction.

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Because sharing a random image you found on Google is so much easier than refuting a point on a topic you know nothing about.
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By Ragnarok.Ozment 2020-04-19 14:12:22
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Polls are crap to me. The combination of a segment of society that more than likely doesn't represent the whole of their own area, let alone the entirety of the US, along with how the questions are worded will give you whatever result you desire.

Yeah, I'm not exactly thrilled with the current state of polling. I don't trust any one outfit, but the aggregates can be useful for trend watching if you understand the underlying methodologies. Realclearpolitics is nice because they just give straight-up averages whereas Fivethirtyeight screws with the numbers. Given the choice, I'll take the more pure data every time.


FiveThirtyEight is more more left-leaning whereas RealClearPolitics is more right-leaning. Biggest thing to note is FiveThirtyEight was marked high for factual reporting whereas RealClearPoltics is only mostly factual due to failing fact checks.




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Uhh, that’s not related to their polls. RCP just gives them straight. 538 weighs them according to various criteria, giving more room for bias.
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